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Old 10-12-2009, 8:32 AM
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http://gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/2009bill...ng_Message.pdf

To the Members of the California State Assembly:

I am signing Assembly Bill 962. This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the face-to-face transfer of ammunition sales.

Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who
have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder. Utilized properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing
dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.

Moreover, this type of recordkeeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition vendors. Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public safety without placing undue burdens on consumers.

For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill.

Sincerely, Arnold Schwarzenegger
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I wonder if he really believes all that hogwash.
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where is his proof: "local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety"? He even says I vetoed this before. That makes loads of sense. I didn't like it before, but I do now.
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I guess that shows the dangers of prolonged steroid use. What a pin-head.
So when does this go into affect?
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I guess that shows the dangers of prolonged steroid use. What a pin-head.
So when does this go into affect?
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Yea....Mmmmmm.......Doesn't cause a burden on law-abiding citizens....Schwarzenegger pull your head out your liberal azz..............Wow another misstake voting for you.........No more hollywood rhinos for me...........!
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Didn't see a link to this yet, mods pull this if a dupe:

http://gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/2009bill...ng_Message.pdf

To the Members of the California State Assembly:

I am signing Assembly Bill 962. This measure would require vendors of handgun ammunition to keep a log of information on handgun ammunition sales, store ammunition in a safe and secure manner, and require the face-to-face transfer of ammunition sales.

Although I have previously vetoed legislation similar to this measure, local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety. These records have allowed law enforcement to arrest and prosecute persons who
have no business possessing firearms and ammunition: gang members, violent parolees, second and third strikers, and even people previously serving time in state prison for murder. Utilized properly, this type of information is invaluable for keeping communities safe and preventing
dangerous felons from committing crimes with firearms.

Moreover, this type of recordkeeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

As Governor, I have sought the appropriate balance between public safety and the right to keep and bear arms. I have signed important public safety measures to regulate the sale and transfer of .50 caliber rifles, instituted the California Firearms License Check program, and promoted the use of microstamping technology in handguns. I have also vetoed many pieces of legislation that sought to place unreasonable restrictions and burdens on firearms dealers and ammunition vendors. Assembly Bill 962 reasonably regulates access to ammunition and improves public safety without placing undue burdens on consumers.

For these reasons, I am pleased to sign this bill.

Sincerely, Arnold Schwarzenegger
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To the Members of the California State Senate:

I am returning Senate Bill 585 without my signature.

This bill would prohibit the sale of firearms and ammunition at the Cow Palace. This bill would set a confusing precedent at the state level by statutorily prohibiting one District Agricultural Association (DAA) from selling firearms and ammunition, a legal and regulated activity, while allowing other DAAs to continue to do so. In addition, this bill would result in decreased state and local tax revenues by restricting events at the Cow Palace.

For these reasons, I am unable to sign this bill.

Sincerely,



Arnold Schwarzenegger
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To the Members of the California State Senate:

I am returning Senate Bill 41 without my signature.

This measure would require the Department of Justice (Department) to furnish, upon
request, information concerning a personís ownership of any firearms reported to the
Department. In addition, this measure would also require firearms dealers and purchasers
to provide signatures on extra copies of paperwork prior to the delivery of a firearm.
This measure is unnecessary. The Department already provides firearm ownership
information upon request and firearms transactions already require more than enough
paperwork to ensure proper recordation of firearm transaction information. Indeed,
unlike Senate Bills 175 & 449, which I am signing, this measure does not appear to have
any discernible benefit; it does not increase public safety, does not improve the business
climate for Californiaís firearms retailers, nor does it provide any additional protections
for firearm purchasers.

Moreover, it should be noted that Assembly Concurrent Resolution 73 (McCarthy, 2006)
required the California Law Revision Commission to submit recommendations to the
Legislature on how to reduce the length and complexity of Title 2 (commencing with
Section 12000) of Part 4 of the Penal Code, relating to the control of deadly weapons.
Senate Bill 41, unfortunately, does not follow any of the recommendations by the
Commission and instead exacerbates the current problems with the Penal Code.

I urge the Legislature to forgo enacting additional measures such as Senate Bill 41 until
the recommendations of the California Law Revision Commission are enacted.

For these reasons, I am unable to sign this bill.

Sincerely,



Arnold Schwarzenegger

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I wonder if he really believes all that hogwash.
Of course he does...

That's the thing about the gun control laws: to people who are completely ignorant on gun issues, they sound like good ideas. You might even get a false sense of security because some moron in Sacramento signed a piece of paper. Who knew all you had to do to stop gang violence is have the governor sign something...

Good job, De Leon. You have ended gang violence forever...

...and if you believe that BS, I've got some lovely Oceanfront property in Omaha, Nebraska that I'll sell to you at a great price!!!
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Arnie is the son of a Nazi whore. Adolf Hitler used democracy to enact the policies of the National Socialist Workers Party (aka Nazi party) which include gun control...

BTW, these are FACTS, and in no way meant to disparage an individual.
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They just don't quite work together, you know?

That's what happens when three different underling staff members write the signing statements for three different bills.

I doubt if Arnie even read the damn bills. I doubt even more if he has any clue how many of us called and faxed.

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Old 10-12-2009, 9:06 AM
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When the gov't no longer punishes criminals after their crimes the way they deserve (e.g., death penalty for simple murder, not need for "special circumstances" (contra Furman decision)), that gives them an excuse to say they need to regulate (control) more and more of our lives to prevent crimes. This requiring the rise of the administrative state -- an important step towards totalitarianism in both political structure and, even more importantly, in a change in our mindset about the appropriate role of the civil government in our country.

The paternal ("only the military and police should have guns") and maternal (e.g., welfare, heath care, day care, "First Five", etc) state fosters (through government schools) and requires an infantile populace.
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Old 10-12-2009, 9:07 AM
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Was a no brainer for some of us

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Our Governor fancies himself a great negotiator and statesman. But the truth is he is a laughing stock. The Dems in this state hate him with a passion yet he continues to try and woo them by supporting bills that are against everything the party that elected him believes in. They know by now that when he threatens to veto a bunch of bills until something happens that it is just a bluff. All they have to do is wait him out, he folds EVERY single damn time. The man is a failure, and after the latest round of terrible bills signed into law I will make it my mission to ensure he isn't elected to so much as a PTA board position.
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It is sad to see the end of liberty as it succumbs to the delusion of a little temporary safety.
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Funny, his letter has all the same stupid talking points we've heard before. I wouldn't be surprised if DeLeon signed it and wrote that letter.

Public safety with no .50cal. lol
Great job 'douche-inator'
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Arnold is now a joke.
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Just making sure I'm not missing something here...

The line that divides criminal behavior and law abiding is pretty clear. A member of a "street gang" or a "violent parolee" has already knowingly crossed that line. If someone has made the decision to use a handgun in the commission of a crime, illegally BUYING ammunition seems pretty inconsequential when owning a gun as a convicted felon is already a crime.

Expect criminals to get more creative and aggressive in their search for ammunition. More legislation that restricts law abiding citizens.

Reading through AB962 can I assume after it goes into effect that all internet sales of ammunition would therefore be banned since dealers would be unable to conduct F2F sales?

Does AB962 affect the sales of ammunition COMPONENTS?

Keep up the fight folks! Let's hope the Fed's efforts will overturn California's overly restrictive gun laws.
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I can live w the new face to face stuff. I don't mean I'm happy about it. Where I am concerned is not being able to buy via mail. The obvious reason is getting good deals on prices. The other thing is getting specific ammo. For example, I have a certain type of 22 LR ammo I like. The local dealers don't carry it and I suspect it would be a hastle to order it. No problem, Cabella's carried it so I just mail ordered it. Also recently I wanted to get some of Horandy's 30 30 Leverevolution ammo. Again, local places didn't have it and I wasn't buying much so I just mail ordered it. Come Feb 2011 I won't be able to do that. It will just make things more annoying in situations like that
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What a crock..... Great way to screw over law abiding citizens. I'm so tired of this state's bull that I consider moving to a free state. Unfortunately, that does nothing to fight against this kind of bad legislation.
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Leaving does fight it indirectly. Ultimately all it does is bring the state to ruin. Productive citizens leave. Less taxes and revenue, more illegals, more welfare, and horrid bureaucrats who don't equate the states failure with their own failure.

Sometimes something has to be completely broken before it can be remade with all the trash removed.
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Leaving does fight it indirectly. Ultimately all it does is bring the state to ruin. Productive citizens leave. Less taxes and revenue, more illegals, more welfare, and horrid bureaucrats who don't equate the states failure with their own failure.

Sometimes something has to be completely broken before it can be remade with all the trash removed.
There are many productive citizens who simply don't share our views on liberty, whether due to their limited understanding, nearsightedness, or philosophical convictions to the contrary. None of this limits their ability to be productive.

If we leave CA to them, rather than fighting the injustices they promote, will we all just pack up and leave every time someone challenges our rights?

Patriots stand and fight - because all that is necessary for evil to triumph in the world is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

If you wish to leave, feel free - I have no right to tell you what to do. I can say this though: if you think you're fighting by desertion, you're deluding yourself, and sowing discontent by arguing that others would do well to give up, too.
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I THE GOVERNOR AM BANNING ALL BULLETS IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC SAFETY. UNRELATED TO THAT ASININE MOVE I WILL OPEN THE PRISONS AND SET THE CRIMINALS FREE IN THE NAME OF PUBLIC FINANCE NOT SAFETY. SO BASICALLY I AM FULL OF CHIT

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I should have voted for Gary Coleman!
...or the stripper.

What was her name, again? I forget...
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There are many productive citizens who simply don't share our views on liberty, whether due to their limited understanding, nearsightedness, or philosophical convictions to the contrary. None of this limits their ability to be productive.

If we leave CA to them, rather than fighting the injustices they promote, will we all just pack up and leave every time someone challenges our rights?

Patriots stand and fight - because all that is necessary for evil to triumph in the world is for good men to stand by and do nothing.

If you wish to leave, feel free - I have no right to tell you what to do. I can say this though: if you think you're fighting by desertion, you're deluding yourself, and sowing discontent by arguing that others would do well to give up, too.
I'm leaving because for me, this state is no longer someplace I want to live.

Gun laws aren't the only reason. I don't buyt the concept that things will be somuch better here in ten years. CG could quadruple its efforts and still not keep up with this legislative garbage.

When they come for your guns, make a break for it. I'll put you up at my place in Arizona until you can regroup.
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Where I am at a total lose, is in our current state of border line bankruptcy. Our elected officials are sitting there putting together FUBARed gun, dog fighting, lottery, etc. bills that only increase the cash crunch. They now need to create a program for the DOJ to keep track of ammo sales. Last time I checked quickbooks doesn't sell something like that at staples. $$$$$$$ The other sad part is that we all as 2A supporters are spending millions to fight something we should never have to fight for.
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i knew he was gonna sign. it just shows that politicians across the country and this state are not listening to the people.
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They will keep ammunition out of the hands of criminals, felons etc. Just like they are winning the war on drugs..If there's a need..theres a market.

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Moreover, this type of recordkeeping is no more intrusive for law abiding citizens than similar laws governing pawnshops or the sale of cold medicine. Unfortunately, even the most successful local program is flawed; without a statewide law, felons can easily skirt the record keeping requirements of one city by visiting another. Assembly Bill 962 will fix this problem by mandating that all ammunition vendors in the state keep records on ammunition sales.

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If the criminals can buy Unregistered Hand Guns, and illegal assault weapons, what makes you think they can't get ammo from places other than walmart or the local gun shop?

How does this prevent criminals from bringing in ammo from out of state? How does it prevent them from getting a buddy to buy ammo for them? Do most criminals even use the internet to buy their ammo?

Cold Medicine didn't sky rocket in price, and there isn't the supply / demand issues with cold medicine that we face with ammo! Arnold do you realize you pretty much just doubled or tippled the cost of ammo? 45 ammo is already going for 60 cents a shot for ball ammo local, where you can still get it much cheaper on the net, more regulations is only going to drive the price even higher here. I probably sacved $500 already this year ordering ammo from online vs supporting the price gouging local vendors.


Well I know I won't be buying California Handgun ammo once this bill goes into effect...

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this is how i feel right now, i posted it last night but man I am mad right now
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and what's to stop criminals from driving to Nevada or Oregon??? better yet, what's to stop them from using shotguns more often. There's about 200 boxes of the stuff sitting on open shelfs at walmart any day of the week!!! it's untraceable back to the gun it came out of, it's cheap, and it's increadibly effective!!!! why are we burdening handgun owners? how about we all form the calguns militia and not have to worry about this crap anymore??
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People Should Not Be Afraid Of Their Governments, Governments Should Be Afraid Of Their People

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Old 10-12-2009, 1:50 PM
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this is how i feel right now, i posted it last night but man I am mad right now

LOL. Jeez, I'm pissed, but I don't need a shot of Thorazine yet...
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Old 10-12-2009, 2:19 PM
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Our Governor fancies himself a great negotiator and statesman. But the truth is he is a laughing stock. The Dems in this state hate him with a passion yet he continues to try and woo them by supporting bills that are against everything the party that elected him believes in. They know by now that when he threatens to veto a bunch of bills until something happens that it is just a bluff. All they have to do is wait him out, he folds EVERY single damn time. The man is a failure, and after the latest round of terrible bills signed into law I will make it my mission to ensure he isn't elected to so much as a PTA board position.
That's exactly what Bush did.

The Republican Party is dead.
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where is his proof: "local governments have demonstrated that requiring ammunition vendors to keep records on ammunition sales improves public safety"? He even says I vetoed this before. That makes loads of sense. I didn't like it before, but I do now.
Well, it wasn't from Maryland's "voluntary" (as in the state police would come to your shop, say volunteer to do the log or your permit to sell handguns and black rifles would not be renewed) program. IIRC no criminals were caught, but they did ask several gun owners why they, for example, bought 9mm ammo when the handgun registry says they have not bought a pistol or black rifle in that caliber.

Walmart and shops that were already on shakey ground with their handgun permits (gun from their shop ended up in a crime, etc) did the logs, the shops that were in the clear told the troopers to FOAD and refused to keep them.
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It is sad to see the end of liberty as it succumbs to the delusion of a little temporary safety.
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