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Old 10-08-2009, 8:25 PM
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I am thinking about getting a self-defense shotgun. Any opinions, suggestions?
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Old 10-08-2009, 8:42 PM
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i have one and i love it. i took a 4 day shotgun training class and it performed flawlessly for the most part. i had a small hiccup in that the spring in the magazine tube was not installed correctly and slightly bent causing it to not be able to load the last round. i disassemble bent the spring and reassemble and it worked fine. i also called mossberg to let them know and they sent me 2 new springs, hat & t-shirt to make it right. i would get the 590A1 or the 930SPX if you want an autoloader. i have both and like both. i almost like the 930SPX more because it is lighter and more manuverable.
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Old 10-08-2009, 8:52 PM
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I believe this is the 51660 model. It's OK. Several people seem to like the 20" barrel with 8+1 capacity, bead sight, and bayonet lug. According to the picture, it looks like Mossberg no longer includes a heat shield (semi-old-timers-might-remember-this), which they used to have on there.

I highly recommend the 51517 (converted to the shorter stocked 51520) model, which is what I've got.

I like the shorter 18.5" barrel, ghost ring sights, and don't need the bayonet lug. If I end up putting a Surefire forend light on it, I won't have a bayonet lug to saw off as the Surefire light doesn't fit right with that lug on there. I've got another shotgun with a light so I may never get around to putting one on this one too.

Otherwise, I really like the 590A1 as a serious shotgun to keep for a lifetime. I also use one for work, but always wish I could use my own with the slightly shorter barrel.

It's good to hear from somebody who's looking for good quality, up front, instead of merely looking for the bare minimum in price. Once you get it, just shoot it a lot 'til it becomes 2nd nature in handling and where that pattern or slug will hit at a given distance. Let us know what you end up getting!

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Old 10-08-2009, 9:27 PM
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Check out this review video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA_Kk...e=channel_page
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Old 10-08-2009, 9:48 PM
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And here's the other part of the review:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou54J...e=channel_page
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Old 10-08-2009, 9:59 PM
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I own the 590A1 18.5 GSR and I love it. Shoots well, never had any problems with the gun whatsoever. Added a +2 mag extension and that's the only mod I will be doing (maybe a larger safety). No pistol grip or folding stock. Works perfectly fine wouldn't change a thing. Beautiful gun.

If you want something you intend on modding the heck out of, may I suggest the Remington 870 or the Mossberg 500.
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Old 10-08-2009, 10:04 PM
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I didn't think the A1s came with a heat shield because of the thicker barrel than the standard 500/590.

My 590A1 has the ghost ring sights rather than the bead, so there was no way a shield was going on it anyway. I went with the 20" barrel with an 8 round tube, mostly as that's the one they had, but even knowing what I know now, that extra 1.5" isn't worth it to me to give up 2 or 3 rounds.

Great gun, really reliable as you would expect from a pump. You won't be disappointed if you get one.
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I have a 590A1 w/18.5" barrel and it worked flawlessly through a 2 day tactical shotgun class and many other training days. I also have a Remington 870 Police set up almost identically to the Mossberg. Between the two, the Remmy has a smoother cycling action and I think it handles a little better, but the Mossberg is a very good value for the money.
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I've got the same model shotgun that you posted this thread about (51660)...

A bit of advice, when they say heavy walled barrel they really mean it. That thing weighs a ton. Make sure you shoulder it for at least 5 minutes straight at the store before you buy it. Adding the weight of 9 buckshot shells and 6 more in a side saddle does not make it weigh any less either.

I'm thinking of swapping the barrel with a lighter one when Mossberg starts selling them around Christmas...
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I didn't think the A1s came with a heat shield because of the thicker barrel than the standard 500/590.

My 590A1 has the ghost ring sights rather than the bead, so there was no way a shield was going on it anyway. I went with the 20" barrel with an 8 round tube, mostly as that's the one they had, but even knowing what I know now, that extra 1.5" isn't worth it to me to give up 2 or 3 rounds.

Great gun, really reliable as you would expect from a pump. You won't be disappointed if you get one.
What he said about the heavy barrel is true. I have that exact 1 on order and can't wait to get it
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I have the 20" and enjoy shooting it, I'd like to try out the 18.5 to see how different it is as far as weight and quickness.
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Get the right size butt stock and you won't notice the weight. When a stock is too long you are "extended" and can't support the weight as well. It's like holding a weight out at arms length and then holding the same weight in closer with the supporting elbow bend down (as if in a curling position).
Rule of thumb for a store fitting: with the SG sitting in your firing side arm, finger able to be placed properly on the trigger (but not resting there now), elbow bent 90 degrees, you should be able to see the crease of your elbow joint behind the recoil pad. If the pad is pushing against your bicep, the stock is too long for you (length of pull). NOTE: If you have big biceps don't bend elbow 90 degrees, 30 to 45 degrees will work as well.
LOP is measured from the face of the trigger to the back of the recoil pad. Most "tactical" or HD SG's come with 13" to 14" LOP.

This is not a reason not to buy the SG, it's just notice that you will need a shorter butt stock and they are available, especially from Mossberg. They make Bantum and Youth length stocks with LOP down to 12". Now 2" doesn't sound like much, but it makes all the difference when it comes to handling and mounting the gun properly and not getting beat up by recoil. You must shoulder it properly and too short is better than too long.
I just cut 1.5" off my wife's 590 buttstock to fit her and it made a world of difference in her performance.

IMO you don't need ghost ring sights on a shotgun. They are nice to have IF you are going to shoot a lot of slugs. And personally if I need a lot of slugs, I'll get a rifle. My bead sighted Mossberg 500 will shoot 3" to 4" groups at 75 yards with a simple bead sight. More that adequate for SG performance. Down side is I do have to use some "Kentucky Windage" with some brands of slugs because I can't adjust my bead. Sadly most of the really good SG's are coming out with GR sights and I suppose once you get used to them, like anything they'll work out fine. But they add cost.

Good luck in your quest and I too am glad to see someone out for quality over bottom line!

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Get the right size butt stock and you won't notice the weight. When a stock is too long you are "extended" and can't support the weight as well. It's like holding a weight out at arms length and then holding the same weight in closer with the supporting elbow bend down (as if in a curling position).
Rule of thumb for a store fitting: with the SG sitting in your firing side arm, finger able to be placed properly on the trigger (but not resting there now), elbow bent 90 degrees, you should be able to see the crease of your elbow joint behind the recoil pad. If the pad is pushing against your bicep, the stock is too long for you (length of pull). NOTE: If you have big biceps don't bend elbow 90 degrees, 30 to 45 degrees will work as well.
LOP is measured from the face of the trigger to the back of the recoil pad. Most "tactical" or HD SG's come with 13" to 14" LOP.

This is not a reason not to buy the SG, it's just notice that you will need a shorter butt stock and they are available, especially from Mossberg. They make Bantum and Youth length stocks with LOP down to 12". Now 2" doesn't sound like much, but it makes all the difference when it comes to handling and mounting the gun properly and not getting beat up by recoil. You must shoulder it properly and too short is better than too long.
I just cut 1.5" off my wife's 590 buttstock to fit her and it made a world of difference in her performance.

IMO you don't need ghost ring sights on a shotgun. They are nice to have IF you are going to shoot a lot of slugs. And personally if I need a lot of slugs, I'll get a rifle. My bead sighted Mossberg 500 will shoot 3" to 4" groups at 75 yards with a simple bead sight. More that adequate for SG performance. Down side is I do have to use some "Kentucky Windage" with some brands of slugs because I can't adjust my bead. Sadly most of the really good SG's are coming out with GR sights and I suppose once you get used to them, like anything they'll work out fine. But they add cost.

Good luck in your quest and I too am glad to see someone out for quality over bottom line!
This. I took 2" off my 590 stock, and it fits 100x better. Ghost ring sights will slow you down for anything within the range of a bead sight. In hind sight I would have rather gotten the 18" model over the 20". The extra length indoors is annoying. It puts the OAL just a hair longer than most hallways are wide. The other hind sight, is I kind of wish I went for a 500 so that I could use all the 500 barrels. If you get the 18" 590, the 835 barrels will fit, so that might be the happy medium.
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http://www.google.com/products?q=590...N&hl=en&tab=wf $427 not too shabby
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