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Old 10-02-2009, 3:35 PM
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Default Should I buy a Saiga rifle ( featureless ) or wait a while and buy an AK?

Was looking at saigas recently and I kindof want one Was thinking about picking this one up : http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct782.aspx

Or should I wait a couple months ( or years) and buy a nice AK? Was also thinking about the AK from atlantic arms.. But the saiga is half the price and its just tempting... Money is kind of tight so was wondering if I should just wait a few months and decide ( maybe the prices will go down by then? ...).. But anyone have a Saiga rifle? How do you like it? If i buy one I prob will not convert it ( not very tool-wise - i.e I dont have any tool/building knowledge or a lot of gun knowledge for that matter.. ) What do you guys think?
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Old 10-02-2009, 3:37 PM
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Also, any reason to get the 545 x 39 model:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct797.aspx

I am unfamilar with both bullet types/rifle and this would be my first rifle... I dont really see any difference between the two offered rifles except that they take different bullets
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Old 10-02-2009, 3:44 PM
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The unconverted Saiga rifle is a LOT of fun to shoot. Get it in 7.62x39 and don't look back! You can convert it yourself, or have a professional convert it later down the road... Oh and get it soon - the factory that makes them is claiming bankruptcy!!
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I have the same one your looking at. More fun than you realize. If I paid the extra doe for the expensive ak, I think I would shoot myself with it when I found out that I could get two of these saigas. They kick some serious aasss man. Unless features are your sort of thing...(accessories...)
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The unconverted Saiga rifle is a LOT of fun to shoot. Get it in 7.62x39 and don't look back! You can convert it yourself, or have a professional convert it later down the road... Oh and get it soon - the factory that makes them is claiming bankruptcy!!
+1. 7.62x39 is the way to go and don't look back. You would be happy.

Bankruptcy? did not know that. Saiga is fun to shoot plus you don't have to hassle with maglocks. Magazine drops at your fingertips.
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Oh and mr hill: 762x39 is pretty cheap right now, im not sure i would get the 545x39
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Bankruptcy? did not know that.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/...652043,00.html

Yep, not a big deal - I'm guessing they'll find the dough somewhere. The funny thing is that the debt is only US $265,000! I would think one of the many extremely rich Russian Mafia members over there would be able to help out with this for a, uh, vested interest in the company...
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Get one, I'd look for one with dimpled mag well.


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Get one, I'd look for one with dimpled mag well.
What is a dimpled mag?


I was thinking later down the line if i want the pistol grip/everything AK ish i could have someone knowledgeable convert it for me...


Should I wait a couple months to see if the price goes down or is right now the time to buy?
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Go for the Saiga in 7.62x39 and just leave the factory stock on it so you can still use detachable mags. Also for a few bucks you can add a bullet guide and use both saiga mags and standard configuration ak mags.
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Also, any reason to get the 545 x 39 model:

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct797.aspx

I am unfamilar with both bullet types/rifle and this would be my first rifle... I dont really see any difference between the two offered rifles except that they take different bullets
I want a 5.45x39 model too, but if AB962 passes I don't know where I would find ammo for it. My 7.62x39 Saiga is totally awesome though (in my signature pic) and ammo for it is almost common. Best gun I own by a long shot.

Difference is the 7.62x39 hits harder at close range and does better at destroying cover, but the 5.45x39 is more analogous to the AR's .223/5.56x45 round where it does better at longer range and keeps a flatter path through the air. Like I already mentioned 7.62x39 ammo is more easy to find than 5.45x39, with prices similar, and you can carry more 5.45x39 ammo for the same amount of weight.

If you want to watch stuff explode at 250 yards or less, get the 7.62x39. If you want to have a better chance at hitting beyond 250 yards or so and think you can find an ammo source if AB962 doesn't get veto'd, then I hear 5.45x39 is a great rifle. The .223 and the .308 are also supposed to be great rifles for the money as well. (oh and don't forget the Saiga-12!!! Collect them all!!!) The next Saiga I am planning on getting is a featureless SOCOM styled setup .308 by the way.

With how cheap the Saiga is you really have no excuse not to get one. You can buy some other AK later if you want.

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The unconverted Saiga rifle is a LOT of fun to shoot. Get it in 7.62x39 and don't look back! You can convert it yourself, or have a professional convert it later down the road... Oh and get it soon - the factory that makes them is claiming bankruptcy!!
This is actually a bit of an exaggeration, according to the follow up on this blog: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/ Izmash's debt is in the hundreds of thousands...chump change compared to companies in this country
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What is a dimpled mag?


I was thinking later down the line if i want the pistol grip/everything AK ish i could have someone knowledgeable convert it for me...


Should I wait a couple months to see if the price goes down or is right now the time to buy?

You just missed the one I had for sale. It has the dimple above the magazine that keeps the magazine solid. The ones without use a shim inside or you can install one.
It looks better.
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Old 10-02-2009, 5:30 PM
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You just missed the one I had for sale. It has the dimple above the magazine that keeps the magazine solid. The ones without use a shim inside or you can install one.
It looks better.
pics in the link..
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=226647

Where did you buy your saigas? Blane let me know that they offer no discount but free shipping for calgun members. So the total would be 360 + 65 ( transfer and dros) , so I'm looking at a 425 dollar purchase.. Is there anywhere I can get this rifle cheaper online? As I said before money is a little tight at the moment but I really want this rifle!
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I have both and prefer the saiga because I can have detachable mags, other than not having a pistol grip It's an AK-47. I have the Saiga IZ 240 (5.45x39), and am able to buy the ammo cheap and use AK-74 mags without doing the mag conversion.
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It's not a bad time to be buying as the "Obama Is Gonna Take Our Guns" frenzy looks like it's subsiding.

I like my Saigas... However, won't you have to 922R the gun to be able to install a bullet guide?
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It's not a bad time to be buying as the "Obama Is Gonna Take Our Guns" frenzy looks like it's subsiding.

I like my Saigas... However, won't you have to 922R the gun to be able to install a bullet guide?


Yes you will, that's why I suggested him the 5.45x39 saiga, no conversion is necessary, just slap on the 74 mags and you're good.
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Yes you will, that's why I suggested him the 5.45x39 saiga, no conversion is necessary, just slap on the 74 mags and you're good.
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I don't know about all of them but for the 5.45x39 model you don't need to convert. My 30 round black bulgarians fit snug and chamber the round.


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Old 10-02-2009, 5:53 PM
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I didnt know that no conversion would be necessary in the 5.45 but I've read countless posts about 7.62 > *** . I'll prob convert it a few years down the line..

Can anyone recommend an online vender selling it for less than 360?
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i love my saiga... it is an AK
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I guess I'm leaning towards the saiga as well, looking for a place to pick one up.
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the only down side on the 5.45x39 is corrosive.

This means that you have to clean your rifle with a fee extra steps to prevent it from rusting.
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I didnt know that no conversion would be necessary in the 5.45 but I've read countless posts about 7.62 > *** . I'll prob convert it a few years down the line..

Can anyone recommend an online vender selling it for less than 360?
Peach state guns have them at $359 (last month he had them $349 with free shipping) I bought my Saiga 223 from Arms of America $367 with free shipping.

I wouldn't wait to long to buy one, all it takes is a hint at a new CA or Federal law/ban to push prices sky high.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the ammo bill only effect hand gun ammo?
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Try looking at a Saiga 308. You can use it to hunt or just target shoot. I love my AK in 308.
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Hoffmeyers in Grass Valley had a couple 7.62x39 Saigas last week

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There's a .308 Saiga at City Arms in Pacifica. More $$$ but a great rifle AND a great caliber
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Personally, if it were me and dinero was the issue, I would build my own AK. You can do this for ~400.

This will allow you to get a semi into your safe. Then save your money for a Saiga, AR...whatever.

Look in the Gunsmithing sub-forum and you will see that their are numerous build parties go on in the state. Plenty of people on the board that are willing to help and you could be up and running in no time at all.

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I got my 5.45x39 from Peach State Guns. I ordered, well lets say several spam cans of ammo from Sportsman's Guide for under .15 a round delivered (.1456 something).
I too can verify that Bulgarian 74 magazines work with out any guides or modifications needed.
Yes, clean up takes about 5 more minutes due to the flushing with warm water, but it is not a difficult addition to the cleaning program.

I originally was not going to convert mine, but something inside of me is wanting to do it now (using a monsterman).

Accuracy is not that great, about 4-5 inches at 100yds, but it is fun to shoot.
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After looking at this again I can not decide !!!

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct767.aspx

That thing looks too beautiful
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You should just buy the saiga. I just got one and its fun to shoot and pretty accurate. Only thing is that the stock on the gun is absolutely horendous looking compared to the rest of the gun so you will probably end up spending more money to make it look nice. Also, because it is the same action as the ak it shoots the same. Even the instructions are based of an ak.
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IMHO, buy the Saiga and some ammo and enjoy drop free mags. If you're used to shooting rifles, the stock/grip isn't an issue, and it's not like a std AK trigger feels that good to begin with. Save some money to buy your 922r compliance parts, then add the bullet guide so you can use 10/30s (or standard 30s when your out of state or facing the end of the world as we know it type situations).
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I have the 7.62x39 and love it. I plan on keeping it stock, just because I dont want to go thru the whole legality issues of 922r and then the CA compliancy issues with bullet button/fixed magazines etc. Granted the buttstock that it comes with isn't the prettiest, but I'm not one who really cares about looks on a rifle, I am more concerned with functionality. The saiga is by all means an AK, and like all AK's it will readily eat cheap russian ammo and beg for seconds. Mine seems to be slightly more accurate than the other AK's I have shot, but it still isn't ultra precise by any means. I have the 16 inch barrell model. I have put about 600 rounds through it so far, both Wolf and Brown Bear and have not had any problems.

The quality of the product combined with the reliability of the platform make the Saiga almost a no-brainer if you are looking for something in the $400 price range. There really isn't anything out there that compares to it for the money.

Buy a Saiga 7.62x39 ASAP. You will not regret it.
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I am really torn too. I want the 5.45 & am thinking of converting it, just want to make sure that it can take ak 74 mags. The Bulgarian 74 is what i really wanted, but it's almost 2x the price for what is essentially the same firearm.
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One thing about the RAA (Russian Amarican Armory) Saigas is they are BRAND NEWand the barrels are CHROMEDand it's an AK
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Wow, when I called, your guy told me to move and then hung up on me.

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