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Old 09-28-2009, 9:10 PM
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Question Bore-Guide necessary for AR-15?

Looking into picking up a Tipton 26" Carbon Rod...is a bore-guide a necessity with this?

Won't be used in any precision weapons, more or less just an M4.
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i dont use one. I use the same rod
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i use a pro-shot premium coated rods and i still use bore guides. better to use than to not.... why risk it.
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What do you guys think of inserting the rod muzzle end and pulling the brush out kinda like a bore snake ?

The JP bore guide is the best I've used.
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Bore guides are inexpensive.

They work as advertised.

I use them.

Just because you're not cleaning a National Match rifle doesn't mean you shouldn't treat like it like one.
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What do you guys think of inserting the rod muzzle end and pulling the brush out kinda like a bore snake ?

The JP bore guide is the best I've used.
Always clean from the chamber end forward.
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Using a bore guide doesn't just protect your investment, it also speeds up and improves the cleaning process. Here's a used Dewey bore guide for sale:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=223002
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I use a bore guide and coated rod.
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What do you guys think of inserting the rod muzzle end and pulling the brush out kinda like a bore snake ?
You will trash the crown.
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Also, you are going to need a longer cleaning rod cause the bore guide adds a few inches...well, I have no idea what length barrel you have, just a heads up.

I have an 18" barrel and it required the use of a 36" rod.

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I just got the JP bore guide - and this thing is the cadillac of bore guides. It'll last forever I think and is well thought out.

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i still dunno what's going on? ahahaha, i've been using an OTIS kit...anyone got a video on how to use a bore guide? and what the heck it looks like? much appreciated. =)
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i still dunno what's going on? ahahaha, i've been using an OTIS kit...anyone got a video on how to use a bore guide? and what the heck it looks like? much appreciated. =)
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The white thing.
yea, i saw the pic, earlier in the thread, anyone.....oh nmind, i'll just google image it. so what is it suppose to do? guide the bore rod, so it don't scratch up the rifling?

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so what is it suppose to do? guide the bore rod, so it don't scratch up the rifling?
Yes.
It forces you to keep the rod centered in the bore.
Without a guide, the rod tends to rub against the throat which is the most critical area of the whole barrel.
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AR15barrels,

would you recommend using a bore guide, even if i use the OTIS kit?

thanks!
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would you recommend using a bore guide, even if i use the OTIS kit?

thanks!
The bore guide does nothing when you are pulling a limp cable through the bore.
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The bore guide does nothing when you are pulling a limp cable through the bore.
ahahah, ok, gotcha, but just curious, the OTIS cable is a lil stiff cable, the boresnake would be limp...any chance i would still damage the throat, bore, and rifling?

or anyone might know from actually looking through the barrel? thanks again!
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ahahah, ok, gotcha, but just curious, the OTIS cable is a lil stiff cable, the boresnake would be limp...any chance i would still damage the throat, bore, and rifling?

or anyone might know from actually looking through the barrel? thanks again!
It will egg-out the muzzle, but it won't damage the throat.
A rigid rod and a bore guide is best.

I would only use an otis as a last resort in the field.
I would never use it as a primary method of cleaning.
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It will egg-out the muzzle, but it won't damage the throat.
A rigid rod and a bore guide is best.

I would only use an otis as a last resort in the field.
I would never use it as a primary method of cleaning.
You think it would egg out the muzzle?
Pulling it through flat there kooks to be plenty of clearance.
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It will egg-out the muzzle, but it won't damage the throat.
A rigid rod and a bore guide is best.

I would only use an otis as a last resort in the field.
I would never use it as a primary method of cleaning.


Big +1

I'd even rather use a Boresnake over an Otis. I use nothing but Dewey rods and Bore guides for all my guns. I always take a dewey and patches with me to the range not only to clean but also to remove stuck cases (only happened twice but both times I was without a rod). I have Boresnakes that I keep in either my field bag or in the gun itself in case I have to do a quick wipe.

Improper cleaning can cause more damage to the throat and crown then shooting. If someone is going to half-arse it, they are better off not cleaning at all.
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You think it would egg out the muzzle?
Pulling it through flat there kooks to be plenty of clearance.
Clearance is not the issue.
The issue is that when you pull it, you pull against one side of the crown.
There's no avoiding it.

The plastic covering on the cable might not do any damage, but the grit that's on the outside of the plastic certainly will damage the crown.
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Clearance is not the issue.
The issue is that when you pull it, you pull against one side of the crown.
There's no avoiding it.

The plastic covering on the cable might not do any damage, but the grit that's on the outside of the plastic certainly will damage the crown.
Hmm..k

I'm going to be cautious as possible and invest in a rod down the road..
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