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Old 09-18-2009, 8:26 PM
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Default Flash Hider vs Flash Suppressor?

Is there a difference between a product labeled as a flash hider or a flash suppressor? Are there legality issues if I bought a flash suppressor to use over a flash hider? Such as a YHM Phantom Flash Hider (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/flash...M-p/yhm-28.htm) vs a Vltor Compensator 1 Model (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Vltor...20comp%201.htm) vs a Primary Weapon Systems Tactical Compensator (http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/Prima...s%20fsc556.htm). All have different names, is there a reason for it having to do with laws? Assume the product would be used on an AR15 with a bullet button, making it a fixed magazine rifle under CCR 11 5469 (flowchart: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.html).
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If you have a BB, you can use any device you want, be it a flash hider, flash suppressor, or muzzle brake.

To my knowledge, there is no difference between a flash hider and a flash suppressor. If you go by the wording, a flash "hider" would make the flash disappear altogether, whereas a flash "suppressor" would make the flash less obtrusive to your view. In reality, I think there is little difference. Some will be more effective at suppressing flash than others, but they are the same thing.

The general consensus from those "in the know" is that if the muzzle device is marketed as having "flash suppression capabilities," then it is a flash hider for CA purposes, whereas if it is marketed as a muzzle brake or compensator, it is not a flash hider for CA, and can be used on a featurelss build.
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Old 09-18-2009, 11:10 PM
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Hey old guys, remember flash hinder? lol
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Flash hider is the civilian/anti-gun term for a flash suppressor. Sure does sound evil, doesn't it?

Yes, there is a difference between a flash suppressor and a muzzle brake in terms of legality. A flash suppressor is an Evil Feature, while a muzzle brake is not.
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I had to look it up the other day. A suppressor has an internal diameter that is greatly larger than the bore, while a compensator is closer in diameter to the bore.

The slots do not play a role (which I always thought mattered)
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Old 09-19-2009, 8:13 AM
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Suppressor is the more correct function. It doesn't hide it, it suppresses it.
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so what is a compensator. i dont really understand all the differances. im saving up to buy an ar-15 and plan on sticking with the standard compensator. but was really just curious as to all the diffs
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how about a flash arrester....I have heard it called that before too.
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Flash hider is the civilian/anti-gun term for a flash suppressor. Sure does sound evil, doesn't it?

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I'm willing to bet that some of those anti-gun idiots believe that a flash-hider is the visual equivalent of a silencer. You know, no one can see where the gun was fired from.
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so what is a compensator. i dont really understand all the differances.
Compensator is a muzzle brake.
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flash hider, silencer, bullet proof vest......


......they are all inaccurate terms adopted by the media and the lefties.
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Dont forget this piece of mall-ninja tacticool-ness:
http://www.armamentsales.com/enhancers.htm

I still want someone here (not me) to waste some money on this and post up some pics
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Silencer is a marketing term used by Hiram Maxim for his Maxim silencer in 1904. He coined the term. In the 1970s, Sound Tech's Mark White started using the term "suppressor". Some companies use suppressor, some use silencer. The NFA uses the terms silencer and muffler.

The first automobile muffler was actually a Maxim firearm silencer welded to the exhaust pipe. All muffler design technology is based off Maxim's firearm silencer patents and theories.
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http://www.armamentsales.com/enhancers.htm

I still want someone here (not me) to waste some money on this and post up some pics
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thats what I want but have it come out in an X pattern just like it does on TV.


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so flash hiders are illegal not muzzle brakes correct?
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so flash hiders are illegal not muzzle brakes correct?
Both are legal....you must know your configurations.
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Silencer is a marketing term used by Hiram Maxim for his Maxim silencer in 1904. He coined the term. In the 1970s, Sound Tech's Mark White started using the term "suppressor". Some companies use suppressor, some use silencer. The NFA uses the terms silencer and muffler.

The first automobile muffler was actually a Maxim firearm silencer welded to the exhaust pipe. All muffler design technology is based off Maxim's firearm silencer patents and theories.
Yup..
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so on any standard ar im likely to buy from a shop, has the standard military stye compensator(muzzle brake) on it correct? thats all im really looking for i dont really get into all the gadgets and do da's.
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thats all im really looking for i dont really get into all the gadgets and do da's.
Gadgets and do da's are what you need to know.

There is no "standard"
You need to look at the flowchart. So you know when you can use a flash hider legally, and when you can't.
You can use both on a magazine lock type build. You may only use the muzzle brake or nothing at all on a featureless Monsterman type grip.
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i meant standard like on the m16a2 or a4. i understand the flow chart. i plan on getting a well built ar when i got the money but besides a bb or mmg i dont care for fancy compensators or sights. stuff like that
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i meant standard like on the m16a2 or a4. i understand the flow chart. i plan on getting a well built ar when i got the money but besides a bb or mmg i dont care for fancy compensators or sights. stuff like that
If you understand the flowchart then you should be able to answer your question.
You need to know the difference and what your configuration requires(BB and such)
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ok i see what you mean since its not a flash suppressor than it's good to go as long the barrel's oal is 16"
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I think steelrain may be asking if the device he sees on the end of most AR barrels is a flash suppressor or muzzle brake. I believe it is an A2 flash hider, correct?
A2 Flash Hider

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so on any standard ar im likely to buy from a shop, has the standard military stye compensator(muzzle brake) on it correct? thats all im really looking for i dont really get into all the gadgets and do da's.
No, standard ARs you see from shops mostly have A2 flash hider (bird cage), not muzzle brake.
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Yea I was talking about the a2 compensator. To me that's standard as far as I've ever known an ar.
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US Government calls the A2 device a compensator, which is correct.
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I think steelrain may be asking if the device he sees on the end of most AR barrels is a flash suppressor or muzzle brake. I believe it is an A2 flash hider, correct?
A2 Flash Hider
BTW Steel Rain is not asking this, but it is SteelRain82 that is asking (no affiliation btw)
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how about a flash arrester....I have heard it called that before too.
I've heard it called that by the flash police.
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So THIS and THIS is not considered a flash suppressor/hider/arrestor/hinder/ect..

I know it says "This device has been classified as a non-flash suppressing device by the BATFE." But in my quest to obey the law and not get a felony im looking for extreme clarity for my featureless builds. This comp looks very impressive including the amount of flash it produces or doesn't produce.
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So THIS and THIS is not considered a flash suppressor/hider/arrestor/hinder/ect..

I know it says "This device has been classified as a non-flash suppressing device by the BATFE." But in my quest to obey the law and not get a felony im looking for extreme clarity for my featureless builds. This comp looks very impressive including the amount of flash it produces or doesn't produce.
ATF says yadda yadda yadda. This is the PRK; we have legalized medical marijuana and illegal gay marriage.

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The FSC556 Tactical Compensator has all of the compensation of the standard DNTC compensator combined with enough flash suppression to keep the flash out of your optics and line of sight.
You are, however, free to make your own risk assessment, based on the emphasized marketing info from the links you provided.
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I wouldn't overdo this - it's pretty clear what is and isn't a flash-suppressor. If it's sold as one, I'd consider it one for CA AWB builds.

On a side note, old flash hiders, like from the old M1 Carbine, were actually made to "hide" the flash by having it occur in the "funnel."
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In general with life im OK with taking some risk, but not with firearms and felony's Thats why i asked.
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oops, didn't know there was another one running around here.
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