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Old 05-09-2005, 9:09 PM
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I've seen people state bashing on MA on gunbroker.com. Do they have it worse than us? I thought CA had the worst gun laws in the country (and it's SO much safer here). If I can be so lucky to find another state to live in, which ones should I avoid? I heard HI had some pretty stupid laws concerning AW's? But I think they still alow them?
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Old 05-10-2005, 4:12 PM
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DC, UK, probably most of Europe & actually most of the world.

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Old 05-10-2005, 2:25 PM
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I think New Jersey, NY, especially NYC, Hawaii, Mass, Chicago, off the top of my head are all worse than us. Some of the midwestern states such as Kansas and Nebraska have zero chance of a CCW even though one is difficult to obtain in many areas of California it can be done.

In NYC, depending on your class of handgun permit, it even tells you how many times a month you can take it to the range I think!

Chicago I believe along with Washington DC allows no handguns. The main think that bothers me about California is 10rd mags, assault weapons and approved handgun list. CCW obtainability sucks too. One handgun a month can be a bother but I can generally work around it with PPT's and such. Virginia which is a fairly free state has a one a month law too.

California actually has pretty good knife laws compared to some areas too. A big problem I forgot to mention too is all the fees and hoops to jump through to get a gun. $25-30 fees make it not worthwhile sometimes to buy guns like a Raven 25acp or a AR7 but then again things tend to be more expensive in California anyways.

I disliked paying $25 for HSC but the way I see it with the amount of handguns I will buy in 5 years before it expires it will only add like 1-2 dollars per gun in cost! I have a friend who only got one handgun so far with HSC and I always encourage him to get one or two more to justify the $25 he was forced to spend!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Moonclip:
I disliked paying $25 for HSC but the way I see it with the amount of handguns I will buy in 5 years before it expires it will only add like 1-2 dollars per gun in cost! I have a friend who only got one handgun so far with HSC and I always encourage him to get one or two more to justify the $25 he was forced to spend! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I was originally from NYC, and there were some draconian ways of doing things. $25 is nothing! I seem to remember in order to buy a pistol, you need to get a permit. To get a permit was a couple of hundred bucks. A psychological examination/interview is required, as well as 2-3 (I forget) letters of recommendation (one of which must be from your manager at work). A reason for wanting a firearm. The processing and wait time (when I was there) took 18-24 months. Once and if your permit is issued, you have 30 days to purchase 1 pistol and bring it into Police HQ to inspect and register the firearm. If you let the 30 days expire, you need to reapply. If you wish to purchase another handgun, you need to follow roughly the same process all over again (including recommendation letters including one of which was from your manager).

So to me, moving from a communist city to a socialist state is a move in the right direction!!
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For easy to read, condensed overviews of gun laws and overall details listed state by state, Packing.org probably wins the challenge.

IMO, those in Hawaii aren't "suffering" anyway you look at it.
But I sense this is more what you meant.
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I've seen people state bashing on MA on gunbroker.com. Do they have it worse than us? I thought CA had the worst gun laws in the country (and it's SO much safer here). If I can be so lucky to find another state to live in, which ones should I avoid? I heard HI had some pretty stupid laws concerning AW's? But I think they still alow them?
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:43 AM
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I see gun laws in three categories:

1. The jumping through hoops category, which doesn't really bother me that much and may actually prevent crazy's from getting guns. It's still dangerous because it's the state selecting which people have rights and which don't.

2. The banning of certain types of guns. This pisses me off more than anything. Like the CA AW ban. This does nothing to prevent gun violence, it just makes the paranoid think they are safe.

3. Confusion laws; Gun laws so confusing that neither the authors nor the judicial system can make sense of it. Effectively using terror so that the population doesn't want to take the chance at owning a gun for fear of persecution by the state.
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Old 05-10-2005, 5:12 PM
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I would use the rating used by Sara Brady, to grade states. You only want to live in F or D rated states.

That ironically tend to have lower crime rates as well.
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