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Old 09-12-2009, 6:00 PM
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Default EOTech to ACOG.... Uh... Wow?

I have been shooting with an EO Tech for a while now... maybe 1k rounds. I shoot OK. Nothing great. I recently invested in a TA31F and shot it for the first time today. All I can say is wow.

My groups were leaps and bounds better. Both moving and static. The range master was grinning ear to ear after he shot it. I passed it around to other officers to shoot.... All said they wanted one...

I was very worried about spending $1k on this sighting system. Now I'm glad I did. It's no wonder the Marines are using them. One officer said to me, "This is cheating."

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But on the flip side Soldier415 likes his Eotech.
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You are comparing a fast acquisition, less precision type sight to a magnified more precision, slower acquisition type sight. ACOGs are wonderful, but so are EOtechs for close quarters stuff. Glad you like yours.
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I have been saving my $$ for a TA01, should fit nice on my SPR build.
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You are comparing a fast acquisition, less precision type sight to a magnified more precision, slower acquisition type sight. ACOGs are wonderful, but so are EOtechs for close quarters stuff. Glad you like yours.
I shot the same course with my EO Tech and the ACOG. My grouping was about the same. I had a couple stray rounds with the ACOG, but still body shots.
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I have been saving my $$ for a TA01, should fit nice on my SPR build.
I had a TA01 on my SPR build and loved it. I ended up taking it off and putting it on my RECCE style build. I think you will be just as happy as I was.
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I shot the same course with my EO Tech and the ACOG. My grouping was about the same. I had a couple stray rounds with the ACOG, but still body shots.
It will take a few to get accustom to using the ACOG in CQB. Its doable for sure.
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I LUUUVE my 512. But it does have its place. So does my MK4 CQ/T!!!!
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Can you really compare the two though?

One is a big heads up display(EO tech), and the other from what i've seen is head down and focus(ACOG).
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Can you really compare the two though?

One is a big heads up display(EO tech), and the other from what i've seen is head down and focus(ACOG).
Only if you use the ACOG improperly. 1-1.5in eye relief is best(BAC types) for the ACOG. BAC models allow both eyes open for use....When used properly focus is NO issue, just like most other sights the actual sight housing blurs from your vision an all you see is a floating chevron reticle...you can still see everything around you through your peripheral....

Most people who have issues with eye relief (*focus*), are not using it close enough to their face...
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Only if you use the ACOG improperly. 1-1.5in eye relief is best(BAC types) for the ACOG. BAC models allow both eyes open for use....When used properly focus is NO issue, just like most other sights the actual sight housing blurs from your vision an all you see is a floating chevron reticle...you can still see everything around you through your peripheral....

Most people who have issues with eye relief (*focus*), are not using it close enough to their face...
I haven't had enouvgh trigger time with an ACOG I guess. I like the EO tech (I have the holo sight which is the samething sans the armor) I just level, squeeze and plap. I'll say though, I haven't used anything on my AK's, just paint the front sight and I get awesome results. Of course it's standard CQB basics with the front sight focus when i'm shooting the AK's.
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I've used my friends TA31's , but I prefer my TA11F. It has the BAC and a very nice 2.40 inch eye relief. You don't have to be all up in the ACOG.
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I've used my friends TA31's , but I prefer my TA11F. It has the BAC and a very nice 2.40 inch eye relief. You don't have to be all up in the ACOG.
I just looked up the TA11F....looks huge! I'd like to give it a try though!







Side note, by buddy hit himself if the face with my ACOG using my rifle set up...LOL
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I just looked up the TA11F....looks huge! I'd like to give it a try though!







Side note, by buddy hit himself if the face with my ACOG using my rifle set up...LOL
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I actually have an ACOG AND an EOTech. I'm not sure how much I like the EOTech but I'm not very familiar with it. It's weird seeing the sight move around with my eyes. It makes me wonder how good I could get with it.
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I love my EOTech and at close ranges it is just too easy to point and shoot multiple targets.


I really wanna try an ACOG but for magnification right now I am just using a budget scope and 1 piece mount.
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ACOGs are the business!


But on the flip side Soldier415 likes his Eotech.
I do love my eotech for a non-magnified combat optic. But over here in Afghanistan I am using an ACOG as the magnification is needed.

You can still use it for CQB, just sight over the top of it using the red light gathering tube as your reference, or add one of those small red dot holo sights to the top of it.
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ACOG- BAC
I thinks it similar concept to your father (first "correct") handgun shooter to shoot with both eye open. If you approach the weapon with both eyes open the chevron is right where it should be. Perhaps more people then not claim they shoot with both eyes open, however the BAC actually puts that idea to the test. Those that don't fire rifles with both eyes open will struggle.

Just my opinion (next optic I will purchase is the AIMPOINT M4s, if only I could find a good base. Definately will not be replacing ACOG though.
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ACOG with 4x beats 4x magnified EOtech, but close range eotech wins IMO, versitile with the FTS and only about 1/2 the price.

The ACOG optics are so nice and clear though Someday....
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Oooo model number for that acog you got there?
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I have been shooting with an EO Tech for a while now... maybe 1k rounds. I shoot OK. Nothing great. I recently invested in a TA31F and shot it for the first time today. All I can say is wow.

My groups were leaps and bounds better. Both moving and static. The range master was grinning ear to ear after he shot it. I passed it around to other officers to shoot.... All said they wanted one...

I was very worried about spending $1k on this sighting system. Now I'm glad I did. It's no wonder the Marines are using them. One officer said to me, "This is cheating."

Great sight!
I have to agree with you, I made the same switch. I was using an Eotech 512 and now that I got the ACOG there's no looking back!
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It's that old saying.
"Why are ACOGs so expensive"
"Because they're worth it."

I have a TA01NSN. I love that thing. It really is cheating.
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Just my opinion (next optic I will purchase is the AIMPOINT M4s, if only I could find a good base. Definately will not be replacing ACOG though.
I have the M4s on a LaRue quick detach mount. I've banged it and dropped it and it's never lost zero. Yes, LaRue may have a sour name with some around here still, but the mounts he makes are top notch. Not to mention the combo price for the optic & mount is very attractive.

Plus the dillo dust you get with it is pretty good.
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The only problem I have ever had with an ACOG was when I was a being a Jack*** and playing around mocking Chirs Costa and Travis Haley...(<--don't tell me you haven't)

Firing over a vehicle or barrier with the gun cocked to the side like in the demo for #2. Its a little more tricky with an ACOG vs. RDS. While doable...tricky.
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I have owned both and love my TA01NSN with my LARUE mount. Best combo ever. I would love to try the illuminated chevron reticle though....
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TA11F. Kinda big and heavy, but the 2.5" eye relief more than makes up for it.

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I love my 512 for CQB but took it off my sig 5.56 so I could do 100-200 yrds in variable light (had problems seeing reticle with overcast/sun). I have been thinking of getting a ACOG since before I baught my 512 and have figured I will get both eventually... Just need an AR- 10 to put the ACOG on and I figure I'll be good. But first, to get that mark IV for that damn .416...
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It will take a few to get accustom to using the ACOG in CQB. Its doable for sure.
within 25yds , EOT will be faster
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I disagree. It depends on the skill level of the shooter. Every class I have run I have run with an ACOG. Sometimes I'm the only person with a ACOG. Sometime the folks with RDS are slower....but again, thats skill level.

And in all honest, Its really under 25yards thats harder.
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Oooo model number for that acog you got there?
Its a TA-11F (3.5x35 and 2.5" eye relief and red chevron reticle) with a Docter Optic red dot (with "wings" mount). I just couldn't imagine a better combo for this type of rifle.
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O....M.....G.... I just looked through one over at riflegear today. WOW! all i have to say is, anyone wanna let me borrow $1200!?
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So I've gone through the whole ACOG and Eotech (and Aimpoint T1) thing and found that I actually prefer a Meopta K-dot 1-4x setup with a quick throw lever. You've got the 1x red dot for both eyes open CQB and a 4x for shooting out to 400 yards accurately. The quick throw lever makes the transition from 1x to 4x (or anywhere in between) a breeze and if you run out of batteries, you still have the black crosshair to serve as backup (as well as BUIS if you like with a QD mount for the scope).

With the Meopta, I am fast for either setup without the tax of a Dr Optic sitting far too high on the top of an ACOG making close in shots more difficult to gauge accurately. The Meopta is still about $800 but much less expensive than an ACOG + Dr Optic setup.
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SOOO, im looking into an acog now (though it will be a long time to save for one) and i have a question...

I see some meant for ar's with a 20in barrel, and others for ones with a 14.5in barrel...nothing for 16in ones (at least the ones im looking at)
I found this one...
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Its meant for a 14.5 inch barrel, my question is, would it be just as accurate if placed on a 16in barrel?
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SOOO, im looking into an acog now (though it will be a long time to save for one) and i have a question...

I see some meant for ar's with a 20in barrel, and others for ones with a 14.5in barrel...nothing for 16in ones (at least the ones im looking at)
I found this one...
http://www.opticsplanet.net/trijicon...a51-mount.html

Its meant for a 14.5 inch barrel, my question is, would it be just as accurate if placed on a 16in barrel?
They aren't calibrated for barrel length, only ammunition (you can get them for 5.56 or 7.62). But FWIW mine is on a 6.8SPC AR with an 18" barrel and it obliterates bowling pins at 450 yards...

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