[mikehaas]

NRA Members' Councils of California

CALNRA: AB962 Mail Order Ammo Ban Goes to the Governor's Desk, 9/11
9/11/2009 9:00 PM - PLEASE DISTRIBUTE WIDELY

Today, AB962 Mail order Ammo Ban passed the Assembly (44 Yes - 31 No). The bill now goes to the Governor's desk. In order for AB962 to NOT become law, the Governor must actively veto the bill within 30 days. Please contact the Governor's office and urge a veto of AB 962.

Updates and contact tools available at:
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=ab962

Stop the Cow Palace Gun Show Ban!
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=sb585

[KylaGWolf]

Already emailed him but will call his office Monday if I get the chance. I have classes all day and not sure if I will be able to do so during my break. If not then I will do so Tuesday.

[du9207]

we are in hell

[Darklyte27]

emailed.....

[Sabot]

If I contact the Governer's office what can I say to convince this clown to veto this fraud legislation?

[Gator Monroe]

Originally Posted by du9207

we are in hell

and CGN posters who vote Democrat will keep us here (Because they should not have to change their voting habits over a hobby when more important issues than 2A exist for them .)

[ETD1010]

I feel sick in my stomach.

[Ruiner]

We all need to contact the governor. There are several thousand members on this site and it would be hard to believe that we won't make an impact if even just the majority of us started pestering the governor's office. I urge everyone to do their part.

[Ronco]

I call and I write.

Sooooo frustrating.

[CnCFunFactory]

They are going to get us one way or another it would appear. Pathetic!

[Trench Broom]

E-mail sent.

[Ruiner]

Originally Posted by CnCFunFactory

They are going to get us one way or another it would appear. Pathetic!

It ain't over til it's over. Keep pestering the governor.

[Gator Monroe]

Originally Posted by Ruiner

It ain't over til it's over. Keep pestering the governor.

And tell every Democrat Firearms afficianado you know that they are no better than an Anti- if they vote Democrat in the midterms.

[CnCFunFactory]

Originally Posted by Ruiner

It ain't over til it's over. Keep pestering the governor.

Oh please don't take what I said to mean I am rolling over. Quite contrary, it angers me and simply motivates me just that much more!

[bodger]

Originally Posted by Gator Monroe

And tell every Democrat Firearms afficianado you know that they are no better than an Anti- if they vote Democrat in the midterms.

At this point, anyone who votes Democrat is voting FOR gun control. This is a fact, look how the Dems vote on these issues.


I vote based on a candidate's clear stance on Gun Control. Period. And I don't apologize to anyone for that. Screw the other issues. I'm keeping my guns first, then worrying about whatever else.

[doug4747]

I sent a ton of emails, and called until the battery died, then charged it and called the rest.
Monday I contact the Governor's office. Email, phone, and good old fashioned snail mail.

[Gator Monroe]

Originally Posted by HondaMasterTech

I believe that the purpose of the second is to protect every other right outlined in the constitution and bill of rights. The second comes first.

Until Democrat posters here get this , ...

[Creeping Incrementalism]

We are screwed if this bill becomes law. This will increase the time and expense of obtaining ammunition immensely. We have all got to put in an extra effort to defeat this.

If the governor does not veto, when exactly would this bill become law?

[bodger]

Originally Posted by HondaMasterTech

I believe that the purpose of the second is to protect every other right outlined in the constitution and bill of rights. The second comes first.

I'm in total agreement.

I once swore an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

And not long after I swore as such that I would do exactly that, I was issued a full automatic rifle, compliments of the U.S. Government.

They apparently thought it would come in handy whislt defending the Constitution.

I still feel that way about guns.

[tuna quesadilla]

Originally Posted by bodger

At this point, anyone who votes Democrat is voting FOR gun control. This is a fact, look how the Dems vote on these issues.


I vote based on a candidate's clear stance on Gun Control. Period. And I don't apologize to anyone for that. Screw the other issues. I'm keeping my guns first, then worrying about whatever else.

Yup. Gun rights and the Democratic party do not mix. Anybody who votes for the Democrats is voting for gun control. PERIOD.

[Shotgun Man]

Originally Posted by tuna quesadilla

Yup. Gun rights and the Democratic party do not mix. Anybody who votes for the Democrats is voting for gun control. PERIOD.

Please don't let such thinking muddle your choice if Jerry Brown is running for governor. He appears to be a friend of the Second Amendment.

Now maybe there is going to be some dream (republican) candidate that comes along that trumps him, but I wouldn't count on it.

[bodger]

Originally Posted by doug4747

I sent a ton of emails, and called until the battery died, then charged it and called the rest.
Monday I contact the Governor's office. Email, phone, and good old fashioned snail mail.

How many members are there on CalGuns.

What if we sent a massive amount of letters to Arnie via Fed-Ex, and did it so they would all be delivered on the same day?

Less than $20 for an overnight afternoon deliver I think.
2500 to 3000 or more Fed-Ex packages coming through the door of the State House all at once might make a statement. Of course, Arnie's office is not going to get them until they've cleared security, if ever, but what the hell?

Bad idea, good idea, stupid? What.

[Ruiner]

Originally Posted by CnCFunFactory

Oh please don't take what I said to mean I am rolling over. Quite contrary, it angers me and simply motivates me just that much more!

Oh I didn't mean it that way. I was simply stating our motivation to do more

[Gator Monroe]

Originally Posted by Shotgun Man

Please don't let such thinking muddle your choice if Jerry Brown is running for governor. He appears to be a friend of the Second Amendment.

Now maybe there is going to be some dream (republican) candidate that comes along that trumps him, but I wouldn't count on it.

So voting for a nutjob Lib WHO Suddenly embraced 2A ??

[Dr Rockso]

Originally Posted by Gator Monroe

So voting for a nutjob Lib WHO Suddenly embraced 2A ??

Aren't you the one always telling people that they should be one-issue voters? Would you vote for Whitman over Brown?

[Ruiner]

I just notified everyone I know and provided them with the means to contact the governor's office. These bills have to be shot down.

[Shotgun Man]

Originally Posted by Dr Rockso

Aren't you the one always telling people that they should be one-issue voters? Would you vote for Whitman over Brown?

Oops, Gator got banned for some reason.

[bodger]

Originally Posted by Shotgun Man

Please don't let such thinking muddle your choice if Jerry Brown is running for governor. He appears to be a friend of the Second Amendment.

Now maybe there is going to be some dream (republican) candidate that comes along that trumps him, but I wouldn't count on it.

On the surface of things, Brown doesn't seem these days to be as bad as some other Dems on gun control.
But what he is most a friend of is getting elected, and he won't if he comes straight out as a friend of the Second Amendment. He'll appear to be something else pretty quick if he gets a whiff of defeat, whatever the reason.

His Republican opponent would have to have one butt-ugly stance on gun control before I would vote for Brown though. I don't trust him. I know there are learned individuals here on CG that think he's the best chance we've got.

If that's true, it only serves to further demonstrate how screwed we are.

[Ksmash01]

Originally Posted by Gator Monroe

and CGN posters who vote Democrat will keep us here (Because they should not have to change their voting habits over a hobby when more important issues than 2A exist for them .)

Originally Posted by Gator Monroe

And tell every Democrat Firearms afficianado you know that they are no better than an Anti- if they vote Democrat in the midterms.

Originally Posted by bodger

At this point, anyone who votes Democrat is voting FOR gun control. This is a fact, look how the Dems vote on these issues.


I vote based on a candidate's clear stance on Gun Control. Period. And I don't apologize to anyone for that. Screw the other issues. I'm keeping my guns first, then worrying about whatever else.

Originally Posted by Gator Monroe

Until Democrat posters here get this , ...

Let us not remember the fact that all the people who voted for a REPUBLICAN Governor could also be blamed equally for the erosion of our 2A rights if he signs yet another bill aimed at stealing our rights away. At this point it's in his, a Republican's, hands.

I don't think it's a democrat or republican thing, i think we have some dumb-*** politicians in office "representing" us at the cost of our rights. I've long know Republicans to be the offending party, now democrats have joined the list of people who ,in my opinion, don't give a crap about people like me.

I ain't a Democrat or Republican. I see them both equally as one of the problems with CA, let alone America.

[Creeping Incrementalism]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

Let us not remember the fact that all the people who voted for a REPUBLICAN Governor could also be blamed equally for the erosion of our 2A rights if he signs yet another bill aimed at stealing our rights away. At this point it's in his, a Republican's, hands.

True. In my opinion, Arnold should be forcefully removed from the Republican party to eliminate this dilemma, due to all the various anti-RKBA and socialist legislation he has signed.

[mattmcg]

Email sent to Arnold. Calls will commence next week.

For simplicity sake, this link will take you directly to Arnolds webmail page:
http://www.govmail.ca.gov

Be sure to ask for his support in vetoing AB962!

[mattmcg]

BTW, do we have a list of who voted for, against, and abstained?

[bodger]

Originally Posted by Ksmash01

Let us not remember the fact that all the people who voted for a REPUBLICAN Governor could also be blamed equally for the erosion of our 2A rights if he signs yet another bill aimed at stealing our rights away. At this point it's in his, a Republican's, hands.

I don't think it's a democrat or republican thing, i think we have some dumb-*** politicians in office "representing" us at the cost of our rights. I've long know Republicans to be the offending party, now democrats have joined the list of people who ,in my opinion, don't give a crap about people like me.

I ain't a Democrat or Republican. I see them both equally as one of the problems with CA, let alone America.

Seems like the biggest problem us gunnies have is that a politician who declares that he or she is a friend of the Second Amendment can no longer get elected to office.

So we're slowly losing out rights.

[Lee F. Smith]

Originally Posted by mattmcg

BTW, do we have a list of who voted for, against, and abstained?

UNOFFICIAL BALLOT
MEASURE: AB 962
AUTHOR: De Leon
TOPIC: Ammunition.
DATE: 09/10/2009
LOCATION: SEN. FLOOR
MOTION: Assembly 3rd Reading AB962 De Leon By Cedillo
(AYES 21. NOES 18.) (PASS)


AYES
****

Alquist Calderon Cedillo Corbett
DeSaulnier Florez Hancock Kehoe
Leno Liu Lowenthal Oropeza
Padilla Pavley Price Romero
Simitian Steinberg Wiggins Wolk
Yee


NOES
****

Aanestad Ashburn Benoit Cogdill
Correa Cox Denham Ducheny
Dutton Hollingsworth Huff Maldonado
Negrete McLeod Runner Strickland Walters
Wright Wyland


ABSENT, ABSTAINING, OR NOT VOTING
*********************************

Harman

[jjperl]

SOB. I can't say I'm actually surprised this passed.

As long as people/"representatives" are willing to give up essential rights and liberties for supposed "security", we are all going to be in a lot of trouble. We need to elect people with some big balls in order to get things turned around, fat chance that will happen, though.

While I will try my best to persuade our gracious RINO, I mean, governor, Arnold Schwarzenegger, not to sign the bill in my next letter/phone call, I wouldn't hold my breath for a second. His past history tells me this is going to be another nail in the coffin.

[Libertus]

Email sent, hope it works.

[Federalist]

This is horrible.

Email just sent to the Governor. Also will phone ASAP.

[hayesman76]

Originally Posted by Lee F. Smith

UNOFFICIAL BALLOT
MEASURE: AB 962
AUTHOR: De Leon
TOPIC: Ammunition.
DATE: 09/10/2009
LOCATION: SEN. FLOOR
MOTION: Assembly 3rd Reading AB962 De Leon By Cedillo
(AYES 21. NOES 18.) (PASS)


AYES
****

... Cedillo ...

State Senator Gill Cedillo who, as seen above, voted YES to curtail the 1st Amendment rights of U.S. citizens who live in California, is known as "One Bill Gill" due to his unrelenting push for a law to issue official California drivers licenses to illegal aliens.

[HeyZeus]

I emailed the govinator. This really pisses me off.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Creeping Incrementalism

We are screwed if this bill becomes law. This will increase the time and expense of obtaining ammunition immensely. We have all got to put in an extra effort to defeat this.

If the governor does not veto, when exactly would this bill become law?

State bills passed become law on January 1st of the following year, unless otherwise specified on the bill. Mid-year bills usually become law on July 1st of that year, otherwise (such as last year's "no cell phones while driving" law).

I'm not sure about Federal laws. They seem to start whenever the hell it strikes the fancy of Congress.