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Old 09-10-2009, 10:26 PM
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Default Green tip ammo ? is it legal In CA

green tip penetrator ammo. did a search but didnt see anything. I recall they tried to ban it once as COP KILLER bullets. is it legal now?
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Yep, legal. Tracer and incendiary rifle ammo is not legal.

Armor piercing handgun ammo is not legal.
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Old 09-11-2009, 7:11 AM
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thanks - do you know where I;d find those law sections. didnt see anything in my CPRA booklet of the site.
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Tracer and incendiary here:

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12301.html

Quote:
(a) The term "destructive device," as used in this chapter,
shall include any of the following weapons:
(1) Any projectile containing any explosive or incendiary material
or any other chemical substance, including, but not limited to, that
which is commonly known as tracer or incendiary ammunition, except
tracer ammunition manufactured for use in shotguns.
(2) Any bomb, grenade, explosive missile, or similar device or any
launching device therefor.
(3) Any weapon of a caliber greater than 0.60 caliber which fires
fixed ammunition, or any ammunition therefor, other than a shotgun
(smooth or rifled bore) conforming to the definition of a
"destructive device" found in subsection (b) of Section 479.11 of
Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, shotgun ammunition
(single projectile or shot), antique rifle, or an antique cannon.
For purposes of this section, the term "antique cannon" means any
cannon manufactured before January 1, 1899, which has been rendered
incapable of firing or for which ammunition is no longer manufactured
in the United States and is not readily available in the ordinary
channels of commercial trade. The term "antique rifle" means a
firearm conforming to the definition of an "antique firearm" in
Section 479.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(4) Any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device of
a diameter greater than 0.60 inch, or any launching device therefor,
and any rocket, rocket-propelled projectile, or similar device
containing any explosive or incendiary material or any other chemical
substance, other than the propellant for that device, except those
devices as are designed primarily for emergency or distress signaling
purposes.
(5) Any breakable container which contains a flammable liquid with
a flashpoint of 150 degrees Fahrenheit or less and has a wick or
similar device capable of being ignited, other than a device which is
commercially manufactured primarily for the purpose of illumination.

(6) Any sealed device containing dry ice (CO2) or other chemically
reactive substances assembled for the purpose of causing an
explosion by a chemical reaction.
(b) The term "explosive," as used in this chapter, shall mean any
explosive defined in Section 12000 of the Health and Safety Code.
I cannot find the PC regarding armor piercing handgun ammo. I'm sure someone will.
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So what if you have a AR pistol does that make all your green tip 5.56 illegal?

Or what if your shooting it through a RAW?
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.223 is not primarily a handgun caliber, so not applicable. Same with AK pistols for 7.62x39.
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So what if you have a AR pistol does that make all your green tip 5.56 illegal?

Or what if your shooting it through a RAW?
Green tip (M855/SS109) is not armor piercing anyway, so it's a moot point.

The reason some ranges won't allow it is because it will pierce some steel targets and they don't want their steel turned into Swiss cheese, and/or shooting steel with it could create sparks and potentially start a fire.

Again, green tip ammo is NOT armor piercing.
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Green tip (M855/SS109) is not armor piercing anyway, so it's a moot point.

The reason some ranges won't allow it is because it will pierce some steel targets and they don't want their steel turned into Swiss cheese, and/or shooting steel with it could create sparks and potentially start a fire.

Again, green tip ammo is NOT armor piercing.
thanks Impacto.

then what is green tip penetrator? it will pierce what? as opposed to armour piercing? what wil AP pierce.
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M855 is not defined as armor piercing ammunition by the BATFE, it is specifically exempted in the regulations. It isn't banned by California because California only bans AP ammo that is commonly used in pistols, and .223 doesn't meet that definition.

It isn't true armor piercing ammunition because its core isn't completely steel, it has a steel penetrator at the tip that is backed up by a lead core. It was originally designed to be a dual-purpose round that would have enhanced penetration against light cover (such as steel car doors, wooden obstacles, etc.) but would still yaw and fragment on contact like lead-core ammo. Apparently, from what I have read, it does neither very well, which has lead to the host of possible replacements (6.8 SPC, 6.5 Grendel, Mk 262, etc.).
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One of the requirements for the NATO cartridge was :

"Complete penetration of SAE 1010/1020
steel plate, 3.5 mm thickness
placed at a distance of 625 yards
(570 meters) from the muzzle. "

A 5.56 M-193 bullet would not penetrate the steel plate. The SS 109 and M-855 bullet with the small steel penetrator did penetrate and NATO adopted the 5.56. That's the only reason for the penetrator in the tip. M-855 and SS-109 are not true armor piercing rounds.
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One of the requirements for the NATO cartridge was :

"Complete penetration of SAE 1010/1020
steel plate, 3.5 mm thickness
placed at a distance of 625 yards
(570 meters) from the muzzle. "

A 5.56 M-193 bullet would not penetrate the steel plate. The SS 109 and M-855 bullet with the small steel penetrator did penetrate and NATO adopted the 5.56. That's the only reason for the penetrator in the tip. M-855 and SS-109 are not true armor piercing rounds.

thanks - interesting info.

just curious how many mm of steel would a true AP round pierce (small cal. not 50 Cal BMG!!!) ?
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You can google to get more information ,but here's some basic information.

http://www.snipersparadise.com/equipment/ammunition.htm
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green tip penetrator ammo. did a search but didnt see anything. I recall they tried to ban it once as COP KILLER bullets. is it legal now?
Yep, it's perfectly legal. If you want to buy some, shoot me a PM.
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