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Old 06-06-2005, 6:03 PM
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Sorry for all the questions...but I was looking at M1As and they just seem on the expensive side and I've read the current ones have a mix of parts, some of which lack in quality.

Basically I want a good range gun, but also light enough to carry and deploy if the zombies attack and I need to run for the hills. So what's a good FAL way to get there?
M1A's are not all that much more than a Kali legal FAL.
You can find Poly's or norinco's all day long for 700.00+- And these have the superior forged receivers. I bought mine in Livermore for 595.00
I see armscorps, and springfields with all USGI parts hovering between 900.00 and 1200, and these are complet great shooters, generally 1 to 2 moa.
What ever you decide, good luck.
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Old 06-05-2005, 7:11 PM
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Which do you think is better? I am looking for accuracy, durability, and ability to mount a solid scope.

Do you think those two are better than having one built?
Go to http://www.falfiles.com and do a lot of reading on the two vendors. In a nutshell, Enterprise generally does not have a good reputation, but some people are happy with them; DSA has an excellent product, but a long wait and pricey, and lately their customer service is not as good as used to be. I would recommend exactly the same route I took; get an Imbel receiver (two months wait, unless you want to pay extra), get exactly what you want in parts (I am getting a new Imbel barrel, again a month or so wait, for example) and then send all to CGW, who have an excellent reputation, at least two people on this board have had Fals build by them and recommend them (I haven't done any business with them yet, just questions, which were answered promptly and no bull, and they pointed me in the right directions, so they will have my business). Bottom line, you will have exactly what you want and done very well, I am sure.
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Old 06-13-2005, 7:22 PM
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Good info guys.

FWIW, I have a set of pin gauges and a receiver wrench. The only thing that would make the whole deal nice and easy would be a barrel vise and a breaker bar in 1/2" w/a long extension.

You can send off the barrel and receiver to get, well, barreled really easily. The rest of the assembly can happen very easily in an afternoon, if your locking shoulder fits.

The offer stands to help anyone out once I get settled in CA in a week or so.

Check out http://www.gunthings.com for some good kits.
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Old 06-06-2005, 5:25 PM
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Here are some links I found regarding building up a FAL.

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/barrelingthefal.htm

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/falstubremoval.htm

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/fallegalparts.htm


I didn't bother trying to do it myself. I sent my parts out to CGW to get built up. He did a great job on mine.
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Old 06-05-2005, 9:19 PM
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I'd avoid Enterprise. Beyond DSA & CGW, consider Arizona Response Systems ('gunplumber'), Azex, and VOW (Volunteer Ordnance Works).

If you decide you want more than one & want to try building one yourself, tooling specific to the fal will around ~ $200, though that's a somewhat flexible number. To me the $$ is worth it to have complete control over the creation of your own gun and make changes in the gun as it evolves (trust me, there will be changes).

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IF you live in sacramento area river city gun exchange have some DSA FALs - considered to be the best new production fal - i like them but cant afford one. They had standard and carbine versions and they are pretty damn nice - cost arond 1300 i think or maybe 1500. i cant remember for sure
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An Imbel receiver would cost you about $200, a kit around $150 from http://www.gunthings.com if you're willing to get a South African kit that would need refinishing. Add in $50 for US Hammer, Trigger, Sear plus 3 more US parts. I'd recommend a US gas piston (around $20) and US floorplate and follower and pistol grip. Permanently attach the mag w/an adjusted mag release, then buy a stripper clip topcover. Refinish will cost $100-200, depending on coating. Voila! Instant FAL.

Option 2: Buy an STG-58 kit for $300-350, no refinish needed. The only issue, if it doesn't bother you, is that the lower receiver machining marks wouldn't match the kit if you got an Imbel. But, that's a small issue.

If you're located anywhere near Lancaster, CA I'd be happy to help you with a build. The only hard part is barreling the receiver, you can headspace yourself with a vise to press in the locking shoulder.
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So what does it cost, total (parts+labor), to have one assembled by one of these fine gunsmiths? Where's a good place to get parts?

Regarding receivers...I've been reading that IMBEL is good, also that Coonan is good. What others might be high quality?

What sort of accuracy does one get from a decent FAL? Is it a 2 MOA gun? Can you mount a scope that will hold zero?

Sorry for all the questions...but I was looking at M1As and they just seem on the expensive side and I've read the current ones have a mix of parts, some of which lack in quality.

Basically I want a good range gun, but also light enough to carry and deploy if the zombies attack and I need to run for the hills. So what's a good FAL way to get there?
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Wait few more days, I think more people will reply. I don't own FAL so I can't comment on this. But I know DS Arms make quality FALs. You will save more money by having one made from a kit.
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Where can one get a California Legal FAL? I don't have the ability to build one (unless it's very simple and requires no specialized tools)...here are my questions...

1.) Where can one get a CA legal FAL and for what do they sell? (Please include a link or phone number if you list a source). If your source involves ordering parts from one place nad having someone else assemble it please be detailed...list the total cost and contact info.

2.) What's the low end a FAL will sell for and is it still decent? What must you pay for a 'good one'?

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Where can one get a California Legal FAL? I don't have the ability to build one (unless it's very simple and requires no specialized tools)...here are my questions...

1.) Where can one get a CA legal FAL and for what do they sell? (Please include a link or phone number if you list a source). If your source involves ordering parts from one place nad having someone else assemble it please be detailed...list the total cost and contact info.

2.) What's the low end a FAL will sell for and is it still decent? What must you pay for a 'good one'?

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http://www.dsarms.com/catalog-list.c...dels&storeid=1

http://www.entreprise.com/ (Click on FAL rifles button)
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Just how hard is it to build your own FAL? Do you need to do any machining?

Hanko mentioned you need $200 in tools. Just trying to ascertain what all this entails.
Tony, again, you really need to go to http://www.falfiles.com to the gunsmithing section. The topic is too lengthy and you need to see pics, which they have. All of that information and more is already pinned there, no sense of re-typing what has already been put up.
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By the way, Dealer's Warehouse http://www.tdwsales.com advertises IMBEL receivers for under $200. I don't know if they have them in stock or not.
Currently out of stock, call 'em & get your name on the wait list. Classic Arms (I think) has them for $209, apparently in stock.

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So what does it cost, total (parts+labor), to have one assembled by one of these fine gunsmiths? Where's a good place to get parts?
TDW, Sarco, DSA, Gunparts Guy, TAPCO and many more; again, you need to go to http://www.falfiles.com, all the web links to decent suppliers and gunsmiths are there, as well as almost anything you ever wanted to know. I want to help, but it would take a while to give you all the addresses. I will give you CGW, FAL gunsmithing prices are there. As far as cost for parts, it depends alot on whether you go with Rhodesian kit or new DSA stuff or in between.

Regarding receivers...I've been reading that IMBEL is good, also that Coonan is good. What others might be high quality?
Based on what I read on falfiles #1 DSA (app. $400), #2 Imbel (TDW $179) and Coonan is liked by some but not all. Stay away from Vulcan. I went with Imbel myself.

What sort of accuracy does one get from a decent FAL? Is it a 2 MOA gun? Can you mount a scope that will hold zero?
Told by Rich at CGW; with a new Imbel barrel it should be; with an older barrel it is a crapshoot.
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Wow, so you can basically build your own FAL for $600ish? I used to live in So Cal and if I was still there I'd happily drive to Lancaster. Thanks for the offer.

I called CGW and he says if I send him a receiver he'll supply parts and labor for $799. So that's about a grand.

What are good parts kits? What
s a good chrome-lined barrel?

Where can I get an IMBEL receiver? I've been googling it here.
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By the way, Dealer's Warehouse http://www.tdwsales.com advertises IMBEL receivers for under $200. I don't know if they have them in stock or not.
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Thanks Ding. I was looking at those two. Which do you think is better? I am looking for accuracy, durability, and ability to mount a solid scope.

Do you think those two are better than having one built?

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I built my own as well...
total was $612.00 (minus tools)
the cheapest part of the whole build was probably the finish... 1200 degree Dupli-color engine paint found at Kragen! ~$4.00

now the most expensive part is... wanting to build another one!

you could send your receiver, barrel, & bolt off to one the the builders for around $75-100 or so? and do all the other parts yourself.

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Just how hard is it to build your own FAL? Do you need to do any machining?

Hanko mentioned you need $200 in tools. Just trying to ascertain what all this entails.
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Just how hard is it to build your own FAL? Do you need to do any machining?

Hanko mentioned you need $200 in tools. Just trying to ascertain what all this entails.
Hard question first, how mechanically inclined are you. It's different than assembling an AR for sure . You'll learn a lot more, though. I had to remove a little bit of barrel metal to get perfect headspace, and I took the rough edges off a few parts with a file. I had the barrel cut and rethreaded, but I sent that out to bonecrusher on the fal files. If you use a dsa/coonan/imbel receiver, you will not need machine tools.

Tools I bought are barrel vise, receiver wrench, extractor tool, pin gages and go/no-gages to set headspace. I made a butt stock tool & ground a few screwdrivers for a perfect fit on most of the common fal screws. The closest machine tools I have are a good drill press and a bench grinder.

You need to immerse yourself in the reference, marketplace, & gunsmithing forums on the fal files befre you spend a ton of money on parts and tools, is my advice.

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