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Old 09-20-2005, 11:58 AM
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I want to get a semi auto shotgun but was wondering if the benelli m1 was worth it. I saw an 11-87 and man that thing is a beaut. It's far cheaper as well. anyways is the 11-87 a great shooter? does it cycle as fast as the benelli, what about recoil???
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Old 09-20-2005, 1:37 PM
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There are a TON of accessories for the 1100/11-87 shotguns. They cycle faster than you can pull the trigger.

As for recoil, I've shot allot for rounds through both and the 11-87 feels softer, the Benelli systems stays locked up longer and it hits harder.

Both guns have a large variety of barrels configurations available. The 11-87 can be finicky with lighter loads in the shorter "tactical" barrel lenghts (21"-22")

Another good choice is the Bronwing Gold, fastest cycling shotgun, when empty it chambers the first round you stuff in the mag and accessories are becoming available.
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Old 09-20-2005, 4:14 PM
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The 11-87 can be finicky with lighter loads in the shorter "tactical" barrel lenghts (21"-22")

Another good choice is the Bronwing Gold, fastest cycling shotgun, when empty it chambers the first round you stuff in the mag and accessories are becoming available.
Shorter 1187 barrels don't have the gas compensating ability that the longer ones do, so they supposedly work only with full-power shells. Mine shoot anything, though; even the cheapo wal mart dove loads.

Check the Win X2 equivalent of the browning gold, less money.

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wow, nice info, I plan to make this 1187 my combat full size scattergun. how sad they don't make the M1 benelli?? why that was my favorit
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Two comments. One: Look at the repair record and reputation for good customer service. Benelli has a reputation for really snotty customer service at their main US facility, and very bad spare parts availability. The worst thing that can happen to you is that you are shooting in a trap&skeet league, your firing pin breaks, and the spare part is out of stock at Benelli, and you have to wait 12 weeks for the replacement to come via ship from Italy. Also, much fewer gun smiths are experts at Benellis. Contrast that with Remingtons: With a little luck in shipping, you can get them shipped to Remington and have them repaired before the next weekly meeting of the trap&skeet league. Spare parts are stocked all over the place. And in emergencies, most gunsmiths are familiar with them.

The other thing is to talk to some of the experts in the gumsmithing business about these two options. I've been facing the same question - trying to decide between an 11-87 and a M2; both would be set up usually as trap&skeet guns, but be stored in the gun safe with a tactical barrel and mag extension on them. I had a long conversation with Hans Vang, and he convinced me to forego the Benelli, and use the 11-87 instead. He can do a wunderful job putting on a tactical barrel with a compensator, and replace a few parts of the user interface (safety, release), and adjust the gas system so it works with light loads, both in trap&skeet mode with target loads, and in tactical mode with light recoil loads.
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I have 11-87 with 28 inch barrel and it shoots lite loads without any problems.
Why would anybody want to shoot lite loads with a 18 or 20 inch barrel?
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I have 11-87 with 28 inch barrel and it shoots lite loads without any problems.
Why would anybody want to shoot lite loads with a 18 or 20 inch barrel?
It drives some folks nuts when you shoot clays with a short barreled gun

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I have shot trap with one of the shortest/smallest non-restricted shotguns there is: the .410 snake charmer. Has an 18" barrel, and a very short stock, OAL is 26". It actually makes a really miserably bad trap gun: hard to "point" (you aim it like a handgun, except it doesn't have sights), no choke whatsoever (barrel is just a cylinder). In spite of that, with a little practice I can get 2/3 or 3/4 of the single clays. The guy I went to the range with had a Benelli Nova set up with an 18" tactical barrel. Compared to my snake charmer, that gun was a champ; you could even do doubles (very badly). No way I would get 25/25 with either setup, but I bet a really good shotgun shooter could manage doing that with the Nova.

One of these days, when I'm feeling completely mad, I want to try trap shooting with a handgun: load my .45 pistol with CCI shotshells. I bet with a little practice, I could get an occasional clay bird, as long as I'm standing right next to the thrower. I'm also sure that they I would get immediately evicted from the range, or worse. And it's doubtful I would get permission for this stunt beforehand: if by mistake you load a regular FMJ round inbetween, it would be a massive safety risk.
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double post, it hate it when that happens
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I have 11-87 with 28 inch barrel and it shoots lite loads without any problems.
Why would anybody want to shoot lite loads with a 18 or 20 inch barrel?
In 3-gun competition "limited" shotguns can have a barrel no longer than 22" and most competitors like to use 3 to 3 1/4 dram #7-#8 shot. Its the best stuff for the game and the targets used. These can be on the light side compared to full on max dram buckshot loads which most "tactical" shotguns out of the box are set-up to shoot.
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double post, it hate it when that happens
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