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Old 03-11-2005, 2:47 PM
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Ok, so actually this news is like a week old but anyways...

In early October I bought an STG-58 kit from DSA and then an Imbel series III receiver from Irvington Arms in December. Later I went back to DSA and bought the US-made compliance parts and some extras.

I shipped her off to Century Gun Works for assembly, reparkerizing, testing, serial number matching, and inlaid lettering.

She came back home last Monday (2/28) and I was ablt to take her out to the range the following Sunday.

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As shipped, with it's own carry case.

Some more detail of the inlaid lettering and new A2 style rear sight.

Detail.


The piston cover isn't full-length. It was confirmed to me that this wasn't a problem, and it didn't show any problems

Iron sights at 50 yards. I was able to use a spotting scope after I shot off about 15 rounds.

Parts -
Receiver: $220
STG-58 parts kit: $300

Compliance parts -
Piston: $35
Charging handle: $40
Pistol grip: $13
Buttstock: $40
Firing group: $65

Other parts -
Stripper clip dust cover: $30
Para-style rear sight with windage knob: $75

Century Gun Works sevices -
Service Grade Assembly w/ full parkerizing: $195.00
Remove & Match Serial numbers: $50.00
Inlaid lettering: $30.00
Calif. mag catch modification: $15.00
Return shipping in Doskocil hard case: $30.00

Total: $1,138

I bet it could be done cheaper, just keep it stock, don't reparkerize (mine probably didn't need it, but I wanted everything to match).

So what say ye, Calguns?

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Old 03-11-2005, 8:59 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icormba:
p.s. leelaw,
looks like Rich/CGW has some type of seal on the tube threads? can you tell what it is? orange/thermal tape maybe? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
It's either silver solder or brazing material; without the gasnut that normally supports the rear of a full length tube, the short tube needs to be permanently attached, so it's soldered or brazed to the gas block.

Usual assembly order is to braze the full length tube while it's supported with the gas nut, do any final alignment afterwards, and then finally cut the tube to length. Function ends up identical tot he standard tube, but cleaning is much easier.

Nice park job & nice price!

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Old 03-11-2005, 4:03 PM
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That'll be my next project after the Fab-10. How is the stripper clip loading?
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Old 03-12-2005, 8:08 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">could swear someone here mentioned that the Stoll "multi-tool" flashider, wirecutter, GL was ok? I remember asking thinking it's the same as the Yugo SKS GL & they said no because the Yugo was a dedicated GL and the Stoll was not. I could be totally wrong, but I'm ok because I don't have mine together yet. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


hahaha not that long ago

dammit! i went and tried to find the old post but i cant find it now BUT! i found this http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...hreadid=130231 , your post right? pretty damn cool!!

i may end up sticking that stoll on there, ill look into it more to be sure though
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by icormba:
http://www.cgwguns.com/

Mr. Blind, it was the 2nd hit in Google

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Holy poo poo, thanks! I don't know how I missed that...!

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VERY NICE!

I gotta get Martin to order me another reciever so I can put my StG 58 kit together after seeing your up and ready!
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Old 03-12-2005, 2:53 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Leo762:
very cool rifle, i did the same thing as you - stg kit and imbel type 3 rec, except my reciver cost me almost 300 bucks, where did you buy yours? or do you have a FFL?

ps. how did you make the stoll brake legal? isnt it considered a granade launcher? </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I asked that same question & everyone here said NO, because it's a multi-combo device... or something like that?
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I'm envious!!

For what it's worth, the FAL's I've seen up close also do not have a full length gas piston cover either. I think that's normal.

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Very nice although the X-series stock has too much drop for me and somehow makes recoil painful FOR ME.The Austrian short gas tube is soldered in to soldier-proof the gas system.It is quite easy to improperly disassemble and reassemble the full length tubes inducing gas leaks which can be impossible to cure without parts replacement.Alot of people forget to remove the gas tube pin before unscrewing the tubes,damaging the tube on removal.The short gas tube makes for much easier disassembly and cleaning.Congrats!
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Hey leelaw i want to get one built from CGW but i dont know what parts i need, IS ur list a full list of exactly what i need?


Parts -
Receiver: $220
STG-58 parts kit: $300

Compliance parts -
Piston: $35
Charging handle: $40
Pistol grip: $13
Buttstock: $40
Firing group: $65

Other parts -
Stripper clip dust cover: $30
Para-style rear sight with windage knob: $75

Century Gun Works sevices -
Service Grade Assembly w/ full parkerizing: $195.00
Remove & Match Serial numbers: $50.00
Inlaid lettering: $30.00
Calif. mag catch modification: $15.00
Return shipping in Doskocil hard case: $30.00

Total: $1,138
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Old 03-12-2005, 7:33 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Leo762:
i dont know dude, i dont remember seeing a thread about it here.

I asked the guys at fal files a long time ago about it and everyone said it was illegal so i got a stg replica brake, couts as a US part too.

I dont know man, just be careful

I wish i could use the original one it loooks so much better </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

a long time ago? long time ago as in before Sept 04? if so... On FALFILES it was illegal, not anymore in the "normal" U.S.

I did a search and couldn't find it here either... but I could swear someone here mentioned that the Stoll "multi-tool" flashider, wirecutter, GL was ok? I remember asking thinking it's the same as the Yugo SKS GL & they said no because the Yugo was a dedicated GL and the Stoll was not. I could be totally wrong, but I'm ok because I don't have mine together yet.
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Nice rifle!

Rich @ CGW did my bastard FAL - he does great work. Mine was essentially a new rifle (esp since bbl and gas piston/tube were new + unfired).

Mine...
- new Izzy front-end;
- IMBEL upper receiver;
- STG58 lower + parts;
- DSA Picatinny scope cover
- 922(r) compliance parts:
DSA US hammer/trigger/sear, pistol grip;
US-mfg muzzle brake;
Tapco Izzy chg handle w/bolt hold open;
Penguin US buttstock.



Rich refinished/recoated my Izzy front-end wood with his durable coating - and it wonderfully matches the black US pistol grip and buttstock.
(I didn't want woody front-end w/plastic rear-end).

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http://www.cgwguns.com/

Mr. Blind, it was the 2nd hit in Google


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Old 03-12-2005, 1:43 PM
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very cool rifle, i did the same thing as you - stg kit and imbel type 3 rec, except my reciver cost me almost 300 bucks, where did you buy yours? or do you have a FFL?

ps. how did you make the stoll brake legal? isnt it considered a granade launcher?
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Old 03-11-2005, 2:47 PM
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Ok, so actually this news is like a week old but anyways...

In early October I bought an STG-58 kit from DSA and then an Imbel series III receiver from Irvington Arms in December. Later I went back to DSA and bought the US-made compliance parts and some extras.

I shipped her off to Century Gun Works for assembly, reparkerizing, testing, serial number matching, and inlaid lettering.

She came back home last Monday (2/28) and I was ablt to take her out to the range the following Sunday.

Pictures:


As shipped, with it's own carry case.

Some more detail of the inlaid lettering and new A2 style rear sight.

Detail.


The piston cover isn't full-length. It was confirmed to me that this wasn't a problem, and it didn't show any problems

Iron sights at 50 yards. I was able to use a spotting scope after I shot off about 15 rounds.

Parts -
Receiver: $220
STG-58 parts kit: $300

Compliance parts -
Piston: $35
Charging handle: $40
Pistol grip: $13
Buttstock: $40
Firing group: $65

Other parts -
Stripper clip dust cover: $30
Para-style rear sight with windage knob: $75

Century Gun Works sevices -
Service Grade Assembly w/ full parkerizing: $195.00
Remove & Match Serial numbers: $50.00
Inlaid lettering: $30.00
Calif. mag catch modification: $15.00
Return shipping in Doskocil hard case: $30.00

Total: $1,138

I bet it could be done cheaper, just keep it stock, don't reparkerize (mine probably didn't need it, but I wanted everything to match).

So what say ye, Calguns?

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Great looking rifle --CGW does great work!
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Turbinator:
I'm envious!!

For what it's worth, the FAL's I've seen up close also do not have a full length gas piston cover either. I think that's normal.

Turby </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I believe it's the Austrian's who made this mod to the gas tubes. Most if not all others have a full length tube. either way... both work fine. I think the partial tube looks kinda neat... even though you can't really tell when the handguards are on.

oh yeah... I think a lot of DSA FALs are built on StG kits? could be why you've seen so many partials?

p.s. leelaw,
looks like Rich/CGW has some type of seal on the tube threads? can you tell what it is? orange/thermal tape maybe?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3At:
Hey leelaw i want to get one built from CGW but i dont know what parts i need, IS ur list a full list of exactly what i need?


Parts -
Receiver: $220
STG-58 parts kit: $300

Compliance parts -
Piston: $35
Charging handle: $40
Pistol grip: $13
Buttstock: $40
Firing group: $65

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a little cheaper, you can go this way also...
Compliance parts -
Tapco
1) Mag Floor Plate &
1) Mag Follower $6 (both together)
1) Charging handle: $30
1) Pistol grip: $4
DSA:
3) Firing group: $65
while your at the DSA website... order the authentic StG leather sling for $5.00, they will send you 2, sell the other on ebay as a partial K98 sling for $20-30.
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I think we need to have a Calguns FAL shoot some time soon. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think that would be a great idea and Panoche Hills would be a great place to go for that. Plenty of room! I'm heading to Reno next weekend for the gun show at the convention center, cause I need to pick up some more .308. We have about 3 or 4 weeks before they close the gates. The last weekend in March or first weekend in April would be good. Any takers for a CalGuns FAL meet?
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Old 03-12-2005, 3:59 PM
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i dont know dude, i dont remember seeing a thread about it here.

I asked the guys at fal files a long time ago about it and everyone said it was illegal so i got a stg replica brake, couts as a US part too.

I dont know man, just be careful

I wish i could use the original one it loooks so much better
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Technical Ted:
Not true. Some, like my South African manufacture kit, have full length covers. Depends on the manufacturer/country-end user. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok, ya got me there!! The sample's I've seen were made by DSA - so that explains it.

Anyone got a URL for Century Gun Works?? I did a Google search but didn't find it! How strange.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by H3At:
Hey leelaw i want to get one built from CGW but i dont know what parts i need, IS ur list a full list of exactly what i need?

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His is pretty close to what you need.

There's a list at Century Gun Works's website which has a decent list of the items you can choose from to make your FAL Federally compliant.

http://www.cgwguns.com/NEW7usparts.html

You need to replace seven of the listed items with US made parts (or six items if you don't attach a muzzle device).

So, a quick breakdown:

- FAL upper receiver
- FAL parts kit, which typically will have everything except the upper receiver
- Seven (or six w/o muzzle device) Federal compliance parts

and for us Californians...

- no pistol grip (to keep detachable magazine)
or
- 10 round magazine
- modified magazine catch (or some other method to make the magazine non-detachable).

I just received my Century Gun Works Cali-FAL a week or two after leelaw did.



Mine consists of:
- Imbel receiver (thanks Bigmac)
- Imbel parts kit
- new Imbel para barrel
- DSA 10 round magazine
- DSA hammer, trigger, sear set
- DSA pistol grip
- TAPCO gas piston
- TAPCO Izzy clone charging handle
- TAPCO stripper clip cover (w/ rail)
- Entreprise Arms muzzle break
- Israeli light barrel handguards and buttstock

I think we need to have a Calguns FAL shoot some time soon.
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