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Old 08-30-2009, 11:25 AM
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AOW is an abbreviation for Any Other Weapon, and is one type of NFA (aka, Class III) firearm. One of the most common types AOWs are those built from shotguns with short barrels and no shoulder stock. I have been the legal owner of an OAW since early 1988, and it is a Wilson Arms WP870 (Witness Protection 870), and as its designation suggests, it is built from a Remington 870 receiver. Its barrel is 12.5 inches, and its OAL is 24.5 inches. And yes, its barrel has a choke.

While it is certainly possible to modify a shotgun to the same configuration as an AOW, the fact that the shotgun once had a shoulder stock means that it would instead be classified as a short-barrelled shotgun (SBS). There are three significances I should note: 1) the NFA stamp for a SBS is $200, but only $5 for an AOW 2) AOWs are legal in California per California Penal Code 12020(b)(8), but SBSes are not; and 3) an AOW can never have a shoulder stock, and attaching one would constitute making an SBS.

Anyway, here are photos of my lovely AOW:







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I've been seriously considering jumping through the hoops to get an AOW. Nice example of one.

Did you buy yours in state or move here from another state?
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Did you buy yours in state or move here from another state?
I became the legal owner when I was living in Wisconsin. It remained there when I moved to California in 1991. It then moved to South Dakota (via ATF Form 5320.20) five years ago, when my parents retired there. Finally, it moved to California last month (via another ATF Form 5320.20).
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Nice setup man. You've got some really quality guns from all the pics you have out here.
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Beautiful shotgun. Makes me want to jump through all the toils of AOW in CA.
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i want one!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Beautiful shotgun.
Technically, it is not a shotgun. It happens to be built using a shotgun receiver, and fire 12 gauge. This is the beauty of the AOW classification. When you have a free moment or two, be sure to read California Penal Code 12020(b)(8).

And, about hoops, they were made for jumping through.
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That looks pretty handy for home defense and tight quarters....I want one!
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AOW is an abbreviation for Any Other Weapon, and is one type of NFA (aka, Class III) firearm. One of the most common types AOWs are those built from shotguns with short barrels and no shoulder stock. I have been the legal owner of an OAW since early 1988, and it is a Wilson Arms WP870 (Witness Protection 870), and as its designation suggests, it is built from a Remington 870 receiver. Its barrel is 12.5 inches, and its OAL is 24.5 inches. And yes, its barrel has a choke.

While it is certainly possible to modify a shotgun to the same configuration as an AOW, the fact that the shotgun once had a shoulder stock means that it would instead be classified as a short-barrelled shotgun (SBS). There are three significances I should note: 1) the NFA stamp for a SBS is $200, but only $5 for an AOW 2) AOWs are legal in California per California Penal Code 12020(b)(8), but SBSes are not; and 3) an AOW can never have a shoulder stock, and attaching one would constitute making an SBS.

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1) Building your own AOW/SBS/SBR on a Form 1 will cost you $200. Transferring an SBS or SBR on a Form 4 will cost $200, but an AOW on a Form 4 is only $5.
2) SBS's are legal in CA, but they must be C&R and have the appropriate stamp.
3) Correct.

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JDMIS300, you wrote:Technically, it is not a shotgun. It happens to be built using a shotgun receiver, and fire 12 gauge. This is the beauty of the AOW classification. When you have a free moment or two, be sure to read California Penal Code 12020(b)(8).

And, about hoops, they were made for jumping through.
Oops my mistake. I remember reading the thread about SBS/SBR and AOW's in California somewhere here on Calguns. That thing was a bear of a thread, i think it was almost 50 pages last time i saw it. I guess i should have said nice AOW.
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DarkHorse, you wrote:
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1) Building your own AOW/SBS/SBR on a Form 1 will cost you $200. Transferring an SBS or SBR on a Form 4 will cost $200, but an AOW on a Form 4 is only $5.
2) SBS's are legal in CA, but they must be C&R and have the appropriate stamp.
3) Correct.

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I like that finish!
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Congrats on the AOW!

Almost makes me want to get one myself.


Another thing to note about AOWs in CA.
They meets the definition of a "firearm capable of being concealed upon the person" [PC 12001(a)(1)], so technically, you can have it listed on a CA CCW permit [PC 12050(a)(1)(A)(i)]. Now, getting it done, is another matter.
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Greetings!

Awesome AOW you have there, just one question...

I have one that is in the store waiting for my paperwork to come through. Would you be as so kind as to tell me where you bought the front sling plate and how you got the rear sling swivel in place?
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The front sling plate came with it, and the rear sling swivel is standard on may weapons.
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Out of curiosity, can you find that grip in wood at all? I've been searching high and low and can't find a single one in a wooden grip and not plastic. I know the polymer ones are out there but I may make my own in wood here pretty soon.
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I haven't been able to locate in it wood. And even the plastic ones are hard to find. AFAIK, Speedfeed stopped making them and there is a new company that is tooling up production of the plastic version.
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I still have the original wood grip for my Wilson Arms WAWP 870, but it is not for sale.
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Hi Data,

Great pictures, thanks for posting this! Not sure why this is appealing? What is it like to shoot?

If you had to/or if the need arose, could you use this for hiking/backpacking self defense/survival (feeding yourself and others)?

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Lovely, I am buying the Remington 870 version. I really like the look of the birdshead grip, it looks classic, but after a lot of research, I have also also read that the Knox Breacher grip is easier to shoot and actually absorbs the recoil, whereas the birdshead just sort of slides through your hand?

Have you shot it much? Does the web or heel of your hand end up bruised? Not that I would want to pump 30-40 rounds through an AOW in a session but it would be nice to just shoot it as a normal gun and not worry about bruising up your hand.
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Would a rifle/pistol range allow this to used? How about at matches?

Can a longer barrel be added? Is there some kinda "sweet" spot for a barrel length and still be compact and utilitarian?
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Both of my local indoor range allows shotguns to be fired. Really, the main distances you would want to practice with this would be 3, 5 7 and 10 yards. Easy for an indoor range, just make sure you are wearing double ear protection.

I have shot AOWs a couple of times. I like the looks and functionality of the Serbus and Safety Harbor KEGs but with a chamber that only holds two shells and the extra blast and recoil, I think that the 12.5" barrel is more practical. 4 + 1 capacity and less blast/recoil. They are not pleasant to shoot but in a way, they are. The really fun thing is to bring your unsuspecting friends and watch them shoot it. If you have never shot one, they are surprisingly loud, concussive and they have some pretty decent recoil. Good times!
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I doubt it, for both. Indoor ranges that allow shotguns usually require that they have a buttstock.
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Of course, a longer barrel can be used, but that sort of defeats the purpose of the AOW.

The one thing that this AOW can never have is a buttstock.
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I guess the longer barrel would make it front heavy. What is it like to shoot and do you use lighter loads. Great pictures by the way, thanks
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I have shot it many times, and once you develop the right technique, recoil (with standard loads) is not overly harsh.
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Oh who cares, even if it got up and punched you in the face after every shot, you'd still look like a badass shooting it!
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nice; very businesslike.
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Hi!

A question for both Oaklander & Wildhawker. Also would enjoy reading posts from knowledgeable/well informed Calgunners.

If I have a 870P or Wingmaster w/ a 18.5" barrel can I buy a Wilson Combat AOW w/pistol grip ?

If I have a Wilson Combat AOW w/pg can I buy a 18.5" 870 pump shotgun?

If I have both of the above can I also have extra barrels (14 to 17.75") for the AOW?

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In addition to correcting AOL to be AOW (here and twice below), the way your question is written suggests two separate firearms. Already owning an 870P or Wingmaster with an 18.5-inch barrel does not preclude the purchase of an AOW version, but they cannot be the same firearm. In other words, an existing off-the-shelf 870 cannot be *converted* to an AOW configuration.

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If I have a Wilson Combat AOW w/pg can I buy a 18.5" 870 pump shotgun?
Buying an AOW version does not preclude the purchase of a standard 870, though you cannot exchange the shoulder stock of the standard 870 with the pistol grip of the AOW version.

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And now I have a SBS!!!
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And now I have a SBS!!!
If you are referring to my "Yes" answer to your "If I have both of the above can I also have extra barrels (14 to 17.75") for the AOW?" question, you have an SBS only if you attach a barrel with a length less than 18 inches to the standard 870. If you legally own an AOW like described in this thread, having additional 870 barrels whose lengths are less than 18 inches would not constitute material possession, even if you own a standard 870, because you would be the legal owner of an AOW that can effectively have any barrel length.

In addition to my AOW, I also own an 870P with an 18-inch barrel. I don't have any spare 870 barrels, but even if I did, and even if they were less than 18 inches in length, it is not an issue as long as I don't attach them to the 870P.

In other words, if confronted about any shotgun barrels that are less than 18 inches, and as long as they are not attached to a firearm, if one can produce a legally-owned firearm to which it can be attached legally, there are no possession issues.
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NewGuy1911, you wrote:I doubt it, for both. Indoor ranges that allow shotguns usually require that they have a buttstock.
Spoke with my local range. AOWs are GTG there as long as your paperwork is in order.
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