[ChuckBooty]

I was leaving Walmart today with my family and saw, like seven police officers cuffing a guy. One officer removed, what looked like an XD (judging from the holster) from his side. It appeared to be an OC situation (although I admit that I didn't see if he had his shirt tucked in on that side before hand). But the hand gun was DEFINITELY not loaded and the guy appeared relatively calm. By the time I left, they had not arrested the guy, rather had him sitting on the front bench while two or three of them were on the phone (I imagined that they were frantically calling back to HQ trying to find something to charge the guy with).

Anyone have any hook-ups with the Murrieta PD? Just curious what the whole story was.

The guy was a younger black male wearing an LAPD hat, T-shirt and jeans. If he WAS OC'ing, he wasn't doing it very smart. He had no one else with him, no tape recorder, and no literature with him.

Well...curiosity got the best of me (plus I REALLY wanted to bring you guys the rest of the story here). So I called the Murrieta Walmart and asked for a manager. I told them that I was a reporter (haha) for the PE and we were doing a blurb on the arrest yesterday. The lady was pretty apprehensive and told me that they were not at liberty to discuss it. I told her that I have police reports and that I knew that there WAS an arrest, I just wanted to get a quick statement. She said, "Well...it wasn't really an arrest. It was an incident that was against our store policy". So I said, "OK..so I think I understand. So this person didn't commit a crime in your store, he was just carrying an unloaded hand gun. This is why he wasn't charged. Right?"
"Exactly" she answered.
"And do you have your store's firearm policy posted?"
"No we don't" (I didn't want to tip her off and start a lecture so I just said thank you very much)

So there ya go. It was definitely an OC situation. I personally saw the police call in the serial on his gun and do a search on him (I'm not sure if he gave his consent or not though).

[Gator Monroe]

A national OC day could be somthing to ponder ?

[CSACANNONEER]

Wearing an LAPD hat could get him in deep dodo for impersonating an officer.

[Decoligny]

Originally Posted by CSACANNONEER

Wearing an LAPD hat could get him in deep dodo for impersonating an officer.

Only if they can prove that he tried to pass himself off as a Police Officer.

[pullnshoot25]

Not a crime to wear any thing resembling or replicating police wear or uniforms, as long as you don't take any outward steps to act like a police officer.

[CSACANNONEER]

Originally Posted by Decoligny

Only if they can prove that he tried to pass himself off as a Police Officer.

Which is why I said "could". Of course, a DA may try to prosecute and a court appointed lawyer might not want to put a lot of time into it so.......it could happen anyway.

[Roadrunner]

So, is the gentleman claiming to be a Lazy A*s Prima Dona?

[Hogxtz]

Originally Posted by CSACANNONEER

Wearing an LAPD hat could get him in deep dodo for impersonating an officer.

Bingo!!

[Roadrunner]

Originally Posted by CSACANNONEER

Wearing an LAPD hat could get him in deep dodo for impersonating an officer.

So, if I'm wearing one of these, can I get in trouble for impersonating a Border Patrol Agent?



If not, what's the difference, if someone wears this?



Or what about this? Do you think he wants us to believe that he is a deputy?

[NMCI compnerd]

I wonder if this will make the Californian. I hope someone can give us the inside scoop.

[gcvt]

Maybe it was the LA Poverty Dept., or the LA Performance Division, or the LA Purr Department?

[Theseus]

Originally Posted by CSACANNONEER

Which is why I said "could". Of course, a DA may try to prosecute and a court appointed lawyer might not want to put a lot of time into it so.......it could happen anyway.

A public defender still has to fight it as long as the clients wants it. The average client that might need a PD might be easily disinfrachised and easily swayed to a plea though.

[halifax]

LAPD = Los Angeles Public Defenders office

Actually I think I remember reading here on CGN about a year ago that wearing such garb was illegal now.

A black man with a gun! Of course the officer thought it was illegal. Remember the Black Panthers in Sacramento with rifles in 68. Isn't that what started this whole CA anti-gun thing?

[Riodog]

SOMEONE might try contacting Sgt. Steve Porter for info BUT DON"T MENTION MY NAME!
Rio...err, strike that.

[ChuckBooty]

Originally Posted by Riodog

SOMEONE might try contacting Sgt. Steve Porter for info BUT DON"T MENTION MY NAME!
Rio...err, strike that.

Hmm.....well? SPILL IT!!

[ChuckBooty]

bump for my update!

[Fjold]

Originally Posted by ChuckBooty

The guy was a younger black male wearing an LAPD hat, T-shirt and jeans. If he WAS OC'ing, he wasn't doing it very smart. He had no one else with him, no tape recorder, and no literature with him.

Quick! Call Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton and get their help on this racial profiling case.

[Seesm]

glad he was black so it was not some crazy white boy...

[bomb_on_bus]

Originally Posted by ChuckBooty

Well...curiosity got the best of me (plus I REALLY wanted to bring you guys the rest of the story here). So I called the Murrieta Walmart and asked for a manager. I told them that I was a reporter (haha) for the PE and we were doing a blurb on the arrest yesterday. The lady was pretty apprehensive and told me that they were not at liberty to discuss it. I told her that I have police reports and that I knew that there WAS an arrest, I just wanted to get a quick statement. She said, "Well...it wasn't really an arrest. It was an incident that was against our store policy". So I said, "OK..so I think I understand. So this person didn't commit a crime in your store, he was just carrying an unloaded hand gun. This is why he wasn't charged. Right?"
"Exactly" she answered.
"And do you have your store's firearm policy posted?"
"No we don't" (I didn't want to tip her off and start a lecture so I just said thank you very much)

So there ya go. It was definitely an OC situation. I personally saw the police call in the serial on his gun and do a search on him (I'm not sure if he gave his consent or not though).

LOL thats not an uncommon occurence. Google this type of incident in CA and you will be surprised. Whats more alarming is the policies of stores that carry over into a sharred parking lot. What one store may enforce may be not allowed in the neighboring store. But since they share a common parking lot which policy is upheld in the parking lot especially if both stores have equal stakes in the parking lot.

[Theseus]

Open carry is not against store policy. . . I thought we cleared this up with Wal-Mart. . . looks like we need to roll some more heads.

[bomb_on_bus]

Originally Posted by Theseus

Open carry is not against store policy. . . I thought we cleared this up with Wal-Mart. . . looks like we need to roll some more heads.

For every head thats cut from the snake two more take its place.

[HUTCH 7.62]

Surprised the Lib media has'nt run with this one

[ChuckBooty]

Well I have checked here and opencarry.org and can't find any other reference to this guy. Looks like he was just acting on his own. That's too bad too. This could have been a good time in court.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Originally Posted by ChuckBooty

So I called the Murrieta Walmart and asked for a manager. I told them that I was a reporter (haha) for the PE and we were doing a blurb on the arrest yesterday. The lady was pretty apprehensive and told me that they were not at liberty to discuss it. I told her that I have police reports and that I knew that there WAS an arrest, I just wanted to get a quick statement.

Wow! You pulled a "James Rockford" on her and it worked!

[CitaDeL]

The incident with Murietta Police is a matter of public record and if we really want more detail, someone could PRA the field interview information as well as the involved officer's names.

[pullnshoot25]

Originally Posted by CitaDeL

The incident with Murietta Police is a matter of public record and if we really want more detail, someone could PRA the field interview information as well as the involved officer's names.

I got a template already. I will totally send it in.

[bondmid003]

I'd like to hear more details about this as well, does anyone know who this guy is?

[CavTrooper]

Has anyone considered that maybe this individual wants to be left alone, doesnt need or want your help and would rather you keep out of his buisness?

Just an idea.

[bigmike82]

Fair enough, but until the people who'd like to help are informed of this, I'd prefer that gun owners try to look out for each other, even when we're not asked to do so.

[CitaDeL]

Originally Posted by CavTrooper

Has anyone considered that maybe this individual wants to be left alone, doesnt need or want your help and would rather you keep out of his buisness?

Just an idea.

Here's another idea. Because this person is a gun owner in California and has been detained by the police for allegedly carrying a firearm, he is one of us. I don't know about you, but if I were in the same position, I would hope that there were others looking out for me rather than minding their own business.

[CavTrooper]

Originally Posted by CitaDeL

Here's another idea. Because this person is a gun owner in California and has been detained by the police for allegedly carrying a firearm, he is one of us. I don't know about you, but if I were in the same position, I would hope that there were others looking out for me rather than minding their own business.

If this person was UOCing LEGALLY chances are he knows what to do at this point, If he was OCing ILLEGALLY why would you want to be associated with him?

The way some have atempted to interject themselves into another persons situation using lies and misinformation should be an embarrasing disgrace, not something you brag about on the internet.

[pullnshoot25]

Originally Posted by CavTrooper

If this person was UOCing LEGALLY chances are he knows what to do at this point, If he was OCing ILLEGALLY why would you want to be associated with him?

The way some have atempted to interject themselves into another persons situation using lies and misinformation should be an embarrasing disgrace, not something you brag about on the internet.

Nothing wrong with getting info on a situation.

[Meplat]

Here's a thought. what if he WAS LAPD? Have you ever run to get something and forgot your Id?

[dantodd]

Originally Posted by CavTrooper

If this person was UOCing LEGALLY chances are he knows what to do at this point, If he was OCing ILLEGALLY why would you want to be associated with him?

If he was UOCing legally he may or may not know all the ins and outs of the law and would appreciate finding like minded people to associate with. If he was OCing illegally perhaps he wasn't aware of the laws and was acting based on news coverage of other states and would REALLY appreciate knowing the laws and meeting like minded people.

If he wants to be left alone he can certainly choose not to participate but getting arrested is a public activity.

[Kid Stanislaus]

Originally Posted by Meplat

Have you ever run to get something and forgot your Id?

NEVER.

[Window_Seat]

If it's necessary to find information on specific cases or incidents, would filing a FOIA request not be a better route to take? As a matter of fact, would this not be such a bad idea in general for CG, then the legal team(s) could analyze what info they receive on these types of incidents (involving individuals detained with FAs) for what's to come in the future.

Erik.

[Rob454]

Originally Posted by CSACANNONEER

Wearing an LAPD hat could get him in deep dodo for impersonating an officer.

Did he pass himself off as a cop? You can wear whatever you like. My buddy for dresses up in WW2 soldiers uniform and does reenactments of battles and parades and stuff like that. Does that make him a WW2 vet?

[ZRX61]

Originally Posted by gcvt

Maybe it was the LA Poverty Dept., or the LA Performance Division, or the LA Purr Department?

About 25 years ago a guy in the UK had an LAPD Chevy Caprice with all the equipment (except replica firearms). The only outward difference was the sign on the door said "ALPD"


ALPD was "Al Llewellyns Paint Dept".. Al was the guy who painted it

[Seesm]

Can you get in trouble for impersinating Al? JK

[MindBuilder]

I'm not so sure it's legal to wear an LAPD hat. See this calguns.net thread
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-116957.html


Liberty1 posted the following in that thread:

AB 1448 (2007) amended 538d PC (effective 1/1/08).

538d. (a) Any person other than one who by law is given the
authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses
the authorized uniform, insignia, emblem, device, label, certificate,
card, or writing, of a peace officer, with the intent of
fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently
inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
misdemeanor.
(b) (1) Any person, other than the one who by law is given the
authority of a peace officer, who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses
the badge of a peace officer with the intent of fraudulently
impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently inducing the belief
that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a misdemeanor
punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed one year,
by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both
that imprisonment and fine.
(2) Any person who willfully wears or uses any badge that falsely
purports to be authorized for the use of one who by law is given the
authority of a peace officer, or which so resembles the authorized
badge of a peace officer as would deceive any ordinary reasonable
person into believing that it is authorized for the use of one who by
law is given the authority of a peace officer, for the purpose of
fraudulently impersonating a peace officer, or of fraudulently
inducing the belief that he or she is a peace officer, is guilty of a
misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not to
exceed one year, by a fine not to exceed two thousand dollars
($2,000), or by both that imprisonment and fine.
(c) Any person who willfully wears, exhibits, or uses, or who
willfully makes, sells, loans, gives, or transfers to another, any
badge, insignia, emblem, device, or any label, certificate, card, or
writing, which falsely purports to be authorized for the use of one
who by law is given the authority of a peace officer, or which so
resembles the authorized badge, insignia, emblem, device, label,
certificate, card, or writing of a peace officer as would deceive an
ordinary reasonable person into believing that it is authorized for
the use of one who by law is given the authority of a peace officer,
is guilty of a misdemeanor, except that any person who makes or sells
any badge under the circumstances described in this subdivision is
subject to a fine not to exceed fifteen thousand dollars ($15,000).