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Old 03-14-2005, 6:35 AM
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hi-I'd like opinions on this gun for ccw, if anyone has one, how do you like it?
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Old 03-14-2005, 1:45 PM
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I agree that a more modern piece would probably be better. If you have shot the Kahr and like it, I think that would be the way to go. I, personally, carry and XD9 subcompact. Its a great gun.
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Old 03-14-2005, 9:53 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by bwiese:
I was under impression (perhaps incorrect!) that CCW guns for mere mortals (non-LEOs) in CA had to be on the 'approved' or 'safe gun' list.

Or was that for new applications perhaps?

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This varies by county.
The more socialist counties may want it on the list, unmodified, etc (some cases even the same pistol as issued to the police).

Other counties simply ask you to bring the pistol in for inspection and as long as it's a safe and reliable weapon will give you no hassle.

All that said...the Makarov is a fine gun, but this is the 21st Century...surely you can find a better carry piece.
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Excellent choice, very reliable, quite accurate, and a good ammo choice as well. Ammo may be a little hard to find on the local level but over the Internet it is plentifully.

I have three Maks and often carry concealed.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">But apparently only the Bulgie imported by Century Int'l Arms. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's an interesting thing, while the list specifically states the CIA importer there's others being sold within the state. Mine was not a CIA import, I think it was KB?
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The Makarov is a good gun, but dated. If money is no option, you might want a compact Sig. Otherwise, the Mak is very good.

Depending on your model, the Makarov can be drop tested exempt if it is a true Military Russian or an East German model. Both of those are C&R and therefore exempt.
Last time I heard, the Bulgarian model was still passed the drop test until December of this year.
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you're right,I just saw it, listed under bulgarian, I skipped right passed it. makarov seems like a good economical choice, but I was also looking at the kahr new cw9, might save up some cash and wait for that to start shipping instead.
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hi-I'd like opinions on this gun for ccw, if anyone has one, how do you like it?
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Old 03-14-2005, 8:28 AM
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I was under impression (perhaps incorrect!) that CCW guns for mere mortals (non-LEOs) in CA had to be on the 'approved' or 'safe gun' list.

Or was that for new applications perhaps?

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yeah, the Bulgie is still on the list

Makarov / Steel Pistol 3.65" 9 mm Mak 12/06/2005

But apparently only the Bulgie imported by Century Int'l Arms.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I was under impression (perhaps incorrect!) that CCW guns for mere mortals (non-LEOs) in CA had to be on the 'approved' or 'safe gun' list. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think you could be wrong on this or it is a new rule I did not encounter. At my CCW renewal class last week, I did see one guy with a Makarov. Saw a CZ52 and some other odd ball CCW peices there too.
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Anything is better than throwing rocks. I choose to carry a Glock 19 myself, but a single stack Kahr would be nice too, especially for the hot summer months. The key is getting the right holster/belt combo to keep the gun comfy and tucked away.
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Yes, the Bulgies are on the approved list and regularly on sale at Turners which is where I bought mine last year.

There's a number of people who CCW with the Mak's over on the Makarov forum at Gunboards, and while it's a nice pistol for it's size and age, if I carried concealed I'd probably pick something else. The Mak design has no firing pin spring, it's an inertial pin. A little debris in the channel and it can stick, not what you want when you're carrying for defensive purposes! Some people seem to have more of this issue than others, I'm meticulous in cleaning the firing pin channel and still get an infrequent no-fire.

There's plenty of debate about ammo for this little guy, as the 9x18 isn't near as powerful as many other calibers. Some of the guys who CCW with this tend to intermix FMJ with HP's to try and get some rounds in there that will penetrate better.

I love my Mak, dont' get me wrong. But a 50 year old design, on a small-caliber pistol, isn't what I'd personally want to CCW with. I know some designs have proven "timeless" so far; designs such as the 1911's, but I don't think the Mak's are anywhere near the same league.

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I just checked the ca doj list and, makarov was not listed probably should have done that first. oh well, it'll have to be something else.
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alright, made my choice, bought the kahr p9 today, nice little gun.
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