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Old 08-18-2009, 1:30 PM
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I'm blessed to live in a county with a CCW friendly Sheriff, so I've been thinking about applying. My only concern was a stupid violation on my record from 25 years ago. It was a 653K violation for possession of a wing knife. Basically I was young and dumb and mouthed off to the wrong cop, he frisked me and found it. Stupidly, I took a plea on it and so the record is there. In the 25 years since, however, I have never even had a traffic ticket. Does anyone think this will matter? Should I have it expunged before I apply?
My further question would be, who makes the ultimate decision? If the Sheriff OK's it, is the DOJ check just proforma? Or might the DOJ itself deny it based on the 653k? I have had no problem buying firearms, but does the DOJ CCW check run deeper than just for purchase? Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I've heard so many stories about how bad it is to have a denial that I want to be as sure as possible. Any info greatly appreciated.
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Old 08-18-2009, 2:56 PM
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Are you legally allowed to own a firearm? Have you done a DROS since the incident?
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Looks like you're saying "I was dumb once, 25 years ago. The DOJ doesn't use that to deny me firearms. Is the Sheriff going to be more restrictive than that?"

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For LAPD at least, I understand that only after the application is approved, do I need to make a payment to the DOJ. I would think that the DOJ does not get involved unless the application is approved first, but who knows.
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Are you legally allowed to own a firearm? Have you done a DROS since the incident?
Yep. Have purchased several firearms since. The sheriff has said it's no problem, what I'm trying to figure out is if the DOJ will/can deny over it.
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If you are eligible to possess firearms and openly admit to and explain your previous conviction (especially since it's 25+ years ago) I would expect you'd have no problem obtaining a CCW in a virtual "shall issue" county.

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Were you under the age of 18 at the time? Did you stand before a judge, serve any time, just sited? If you were well under 18 I would not worry about it too much. If you are turned down from the DOJ you can investigate why, then appeal and plead your case. I'm not familiar with that code but was it a misdemeaner?

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Sorry, missed the plea deal part. Were you charged as adult, Felony or misdemeanor?

Yes the DOJ goes deeper and includes FBI, but it's not like they go door to door and talk to your neighbors. they just run a quick check to see if anything flags them to look closer. It is taking about 1 1/2 -2 weeks at this time.

Generally though, if you were under 18 it may have been sealed when you turned 18 if it was not a felony.
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Everything on your record, including what you think is sealed in your juvenile record, will come out. Fess up to everything and blame it on your youth. That is acceptable. What is not acceptable is not disclosing, as that is considered lying and will get you denied for a long, long time.
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Sorry Tango, didn't mean to sound like he should'nt mention it. I was trying to ask for more info. Whether it is sealed or not honesty is the best policy, and if caught in a lie or if the sheriff thinks you are hiding something you will have a hell of a time convincing him/her you are trust worthy.
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Sorry, missed the plea deal part. Were you charged as adult, Felony or misdemeanor?

Yes the DOJ goes deeper and includes FBI, but it's not like they go door to door and talk to your neighbors. they just run a quick check to see if anything flags them to look closer. It is taking about 1 1/2 -2 weeks at this time.

Generally though, if you were under 18 it may have been sealed when you turned 18 if it was not a felony.
It was charged as a misdemeanor, I was 19 at the time. As far as juvenile convictions, I did have a couple of minor things there but they are not on my record any more. I did an official DOJ record check and only the 653k showed. According to the DOJ site, your juvenile records are destroyed when you reach age 38. Since the records are gone I'm not sure if I should mention it at all. We're not talking about anything violent, a D&D and unlicensed driving as I recall . Just boisterous kid stuff at the time, things were a bit less uptight in those days.
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I'd go ahead and apply and fully explain these events. Do not hide anything and be honest, we've all made mistakes. If your initial application is denied you should have 10 days to appeal and explain your case at the appeals hearing if there is one.

Work on your "Good Cause" remember no you can write it for you, but asking good questions and talking with those who have gone through the process can really help. Do Not display your good cause over the internet, it is particular to you only.

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I'd go ahead and apply and fully explain these events. Do not hide anything and be honest, we've all made mistakes. If your initial application is denied you should have 10 days to appeal and explain your case at the appeals hearing if there is one.

Work on your "Good Cause" remember no you can write it for you, but asking good questions and talking with those who have gone through the process can really help. Do Not display your good cause over the internet, it is particular to you only.

Good Luck!
Thanks so much for all the advice in this thread. Since I don't have dates and specific PC codes, should I put the info about the juvenile stuff in the area where the adult stuff is listed, or where it asks about "withholding relevant information?".
Regarding the good cause statement, I'm told that personal protection is considered sufficient by the sheriff. They don't even conduct an interview, you just go in with the paperwork, fingerprint, and pay.
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If you pick up the paperwork at the SO's Office ask the clerk who gives you the parperwork where to put the Juvenile info. If you receveived the paperwork by mail they should have given you a number to call if you have questions. Sounds like a great county to be in and recieve a CCW. Your lucky in that you can use personal protection, it's the way it should be, actually you should'nt even have to justify the "Right to Bear" but we must. As far as dates indicate that and give a general time frame.

And no interveiw, cool. If they want clarification they'll let you know.

Agian Good Luck and keep us posted.
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