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Old 08-06-2009, 7:57 PM
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INLAND FISH AND GAME RANGE CLOSES * Jim Matthews column-ONS * 06aug09

One of Southern California's oldest shooting ranges closes


By JIM MATTHEWS, www.OutdoorNewsService.com

The Inland Fish and Game Conservation Association shooting range, one of the oldest public shooting facilities in Southern California, closed last Thursday due to a lawsuit filed by a developer who owns an adjacent property, according to Gene Crawford, Inland president.

The range was one of the last open-air facilities in Southern California that had rifle, pistol, and shotgun shooting and has served over 25,000 shooters and hunters in each of the last few years. The 64-year-old club has 1,500 members, and it is located on 40 acres of Bureau of Land Management property in the Santa Ana River Wash on Orange Street in Highland. In 2004, the BLM granted the club an additional 20-year lease because of its sterling record in public safety and serving the community.

The lawsuit was filed in 2007 by Highland Fifth-Orange Partners LLC of Santa Ana, headed up by developer Hal Woods. The Woods' LLC purchased 22 acres due north of the club and then immediately set out to close the club down. The most recent lawsuit was Woods third attempt to close the historic shooting range, failing in his efforts to claim noise pollution and then ground water pollution by the shooting facility. His third effort was a two-pronged lawsuit. First he claimed the club created a public nuisance and was a threat to the local community from bullets or bullet fragments escaping from the range facility, and second he said there was 'trespass' by the club when lead shot from the shotgun shooting facility landed on a portion of his property.

Woods claimed that it would cost over a half-million dollars to bring his property up to environmental standards because of the range lead, but he has continued to tell the City of Highland it was a simple grading issue in pushing for approval of his development plans on the property. During court proceedings, experts hired by the range said the lead levels on the Woods property were under EPA guidelines, but Woods' hired expert said they were not.

In spite of this, Judge Christopher Warren of the Superior Court of San Bernardino issued a dizzying and baffling 20-plus page ruling on Monday, July 27, against the shooting facility on both aspects of the lawsuit, and the gates were rolled closed at the end of the day on Wednesday, July 29. The club was assessed $1.4 million in damages, and it has spent (or its insurance carriers have spent) about $1 million in attorney fees since the beginning of the problems with the 'new' neighbor.

This is a catastrophe for Southern California shooters, especially rifle shooters who have seen the closure of several shooting facilities in recent years and the ban on target shooting throughout the Angeles and Cleveland national forests. The Inland range was frequented by shooters from Los Angeles and Orange counties, as well as the Inland Empire, because it was nearly the last and arguably best-managed range in region.

Crawford said the club's board of directors was currently looking at two nearby locations where a new facility might be built to replace the closed facility, but that is little solace for a three generations of shooters and hunters who have using the Orange Street facility.

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Very sad indeed and it makes me angry as well.

If and when IF&G reopens I will become a member. We need this type of facility in this area!
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Very sad indeed and it makes me angry as well.

If and when IF&G reopens I will become a member. We need this type of facility in this area!
Unfortunatly, once a range gets closed down, it is damn near impossible to get it opened back up, at least in my experiences.

This is similar to the street races. Once the city got rid of the local race way, street racing activities and accidents shot up something like 400%

Not saying we are in the exact same boat, but how far can this go? One by one our ranges are being taken away. The nanny government keeps this going, and soon enough NONE of us will have a "permittable" area to shoot at. Im sitting here waiting for the news for them to start their war against open BLM shooting / non-incorporated shooting.

Then whats next....a complete ban on all ammunition...??? "sure america, you can keep your guns, but we will criminalize ammunition"....

If we dont start FIGHTING for what we believe is right and guranteed to us, they will take EVERYTHING...


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WTF? Douchebag buys property next door and then demands they go away? That's some ****ed up **** right there.
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Developers once again win, not because of being parasites, but because of capitalism. They bring more revenue to the city than a range. I don't hold developers in high regards, but I'd not call a parasite.

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I drive by the range everyday to and from work.

There is activity there. Not sure whats going on but I hear that they are planning on reopening in a few weeks after modifications are done.

Hope for the best. It's not the zombies we need to worry about, it's the activist judges...


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That's like buying property next to an ariport that's been there for 30yrs and then trying to get it shut down because of the noise.

Developers can be real scumsucking a-holes sometimes. What....like SoCal doesn't have enough cookie cutter tract homes already?

Personally I think developers are a public nuisance!
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That's like buying property next to an X that's been there for 30yrs and then trying to get it shut down because of the noise.
X= Shooting Range, Airport, Racetrack, OHV park, RC airplane field, Bicycle park, etc.

It has all happened right here in the Bay Area and will continue until all things fun are banned or paved over and replaced. Welcome to the revolution. I hate what these people are doing to my country and state.
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That's like buying property next to an ariport that's been there for 30yrs and then trying to get it shut down because of the noise.

Developers can be are real scumsucking a-holes sometimesregularly. What....like SoCal doesn't have enough cookie cutter tract homes already?

Personally I think developers are a public nuisance!
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I drive by the range everyday to and from work.

There is activity there. Not sure whats going on but I hear that they are planning on reopening in a few weeks after modifications are done.

Hope for the best. It's not the zombies we need to worry about, it's the activist judges...


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There was a thread earlier about this. We actually have two threads. In the first one, someone notified us that the range was going to be closed. Few people responded and then I assume a Member with connections or someone who called was told that they had to make some modifications.

The modifications included making the rifle and pistol range into a no 'blue sky' range and to cover the whole thing to keep in the noise and potential deflections from rocks in the berms. As well as moving the shotgun area over onto the other side of the property. I guess they complained that the shot from the clays or traps were going over into their property as well as contamination of lead to the area, preventing them from developing.

They then said that it has closed down, but they were making these new modifications and then it would be reopened under a different club and new name. We then hoped that it would be public friendly still if it did reopen.

Now, there is this thread and I don't think their coming back.
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Whatever happened to the preemption law? Established ranges had right of way when it comes to development.
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Sorry, you must be thinking of the United States of America, just go east until you feel like a free man...

I've always said we have the best legal system and government "that money can buy".

It's sad when the rule of law and justice are simply pushed aside by judges in their own or someone else interest.

I don't know what's going on at the IF&G range at the moment, although I drive by there everyday, however just recently their website disappeared...
http://www.inlandfishandgame.com

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X= Shooting Range, Airport, Racetrack, OHV park, RC airplane field, Bicycle park, etc.

It has all happened right here in the Bay Area and will continue until all things fun are banned or paved over and replaced. Welcome to the revolution. I hate what these people are doing to my country and state.
Yep.....pretty much.....it's just people using the legal system as means of strong-armed thuggery. Because they sometimes figure the little guy doesn't have the money to fight it and will likely just fold, even if the case is weak to begin with.

I loved the part in the OP about the developer bringing in his own expert to testify about the lead levels. Well of course his expert is gonna say that....that's what he's getting paid for. Like the developer is going to bring in an expert that doesn't support his case?
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I don't recall if CA has a range protection law, but AFAIK, they don't protect the range if you are littering someone else's property with projectiles/shot.
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I just found out about this today. What a bummer. I'd heard about the ongoing legal BS, but I really didn't think the developer had a leg to stand on. I haven't been shooting in a while, and this range was the closest to me.
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I've been a member for over a year and have heard nothing from the club. If I hadn't seen this listed on Shooting Wire I'd have wasted an 80 mile round trip today. It's been a nice little club and will be missed. There have been rumors that a new club would take over the range and as someone said make it non-blue sky. That I can understand because there really wasn't a high enough backstop to keep some idiot from lobbing a round way out there but they did have good range masters keeping it safe. Anyway whatever is happening they aren't telling the members anything.
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That's like buying property next to an ariport that's been there for 30yrs and then trying to get it shut down because of the noise.

Developers can be real scumsucking a-holes sometimes. What....like SoCal doesn't have enough cookie cutter tract homes already?

Personally I think developers are a public nuisance!
Exactly....I hope this lint-trap goes bankrupt!

I assume he is going to build homes. If that is correct, he has to disclose EVERYTHING of a negative nature about the property, including the excessive lead amounts his "experts" testified to.

OK, I'll say it....looks like he shot himself in the foot.
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INLAND FISH AND GAME RANGE CLOSES * Jim Matthews column-ONS * 06aug09

One of Southern California's oldest shooting ranges closes


By JIM MATTHEWS, www.OutdoorNewsService.com

The Inland Fish and Game Conservation Association shooting range, one of the oldest public shooting facilities in Southern California, closed last Thursday due to a lawsuit filed by a developer who owns an adjacent property, according to Gene Crawford, Inland president.

The range was one of the last open-air facilities in Southern California that had rifle, pistol, and shotgun shooting and has served over 25,000 shooters and hunters in each of the last few years. The 64-year-old club has 1,500 members, and it is located on 40 acres of Bureau of Land Management property in the Santa Ana River Wash on Orange Street in Highland. In 2004, the BLM granted the club an additional 20-year lease because of its sterling record in public safety and serving the community.

The lawsuit was filed in 2007 by Highland Fifth-Orange Partners LLC of Santa Ana, headed up by developer Hal Woods. The Woods' LLC purchased 22 acres due north of the club and then immediately set out to close the club down. The most recent lawsuit was Woods third attempt to close the historic shooting range, failing in his efforts to claim noise pollution and then ground water pollution by the shooting facility. His third effort was a two-pronged lawsuit. First he claimed the club created a public nuisance and was a threat to the local community from bullets or bullet fragments escaping from the range facility, and second he said there was 'trespass' by the club when lead shot from the shotgun shooting facility landed on a portion of his property.

Woods claimed that it would cost over a half-million dollars to bring his property up to environmental standards because of the range lead, but he has continued to tell the City of Highland it was a simple grading issue in pushing for approval of his development plans on the property. During court proceedings, experts hired by the range said the lead levels on the Woods property were under EPA guidelines, but Woods' hired expert said they were not.

In spite of this, Judge Christopher Warren of the Superior Court of San Bernardino issued a dizzying and baffling 20-plus page ruling on Monday, July 27, against the shooting facility on both aspects of the lawsuit, and the gates were rolled closed at the end of the day on Wednesday, July 29. The club was assessed $1.4 million in damages, and it has spent (or its insurance carriers have spent) about $1 million in attorney fees since the beginning of the problems with the 'new' neighbor.

This is a catastrophe for Southern California shooters, especially rifle shooters who have seen the closure of several shooting facilities in recent years and the ban on target shooting throughout the Angeles and Cleveland national forests. The Inland range was frequented by shooters from Los Angeles and Orange counties, as well as the Inland Empire, because it was nearly the last and arguably best-managed range in region.

Crawford said the club's board of directors was currently looking at two nearby locations where a new facility might be built to replace the closed facility, but that is little solace for a three generations of shooters and hunters who have using the Orange Street facility.
It takes little effort to get hundreds of neighbors to oppose the tiniest housing development in the peoples' republik of Santa Cruz county. Radical environmentalists are usually successful in shutting these developers down. Just because he owns hundreds of acres, there is no guarantee that he can do anything. Get together with the local tree huggers who don't want to give up their hiking and mountain bike trails either. Vote the bastard out. Send him packing back to Santa ana!

This lawsuit should have been filed in a federal court; because BLM land is United States Govt. property. I'd like to see the county board of stupidvisors try to shut down an Indian casino on the reservation. They can't do that legally. And they have no authority over a military base either.

These local county judges have a hard time telling the University of Kommiefornia not to develop their campuses. They lose repeatedly in the appeals courts. Remember the tree huggers and the silly council which failed to stop a new football complex from being built in Berkeley? They're SOL, on trying to stop expansion at state and federal prisons too...

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I'll miss the range too. I come from L.A. just to have a little recreaction for myself and a buddy. It's been a good while since I shot my toys so I'll wait and hope that a new range near by will emerge. The range price doesn't matter as long as it has decent/stable tables to do some nice bench rest shooting.

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Thats so true! A nice range with a good, safe setup, cool range master and especially the nice covered shooting areas... You cant beat that with a bat!!
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Now the weather is cooler, was going to stop by and try my new builds. I don't know where members are now going for shooting...
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I traded a couple of emails with the webmaster and they haven't given up. I'm told that the cafe is open and serving breakfast on the weekends, and dinner on Wednesdays, and that they have high hopes to eventually reopen.

From what I heard from another source back before it closed was that the shotgun range will have to be relocated elsewhere on the property and the judge wants the rifle and pistol range covered before they can reopen. That means that they could probably use a whole lot of help once they have a plan.
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Don't know whether to take it as positive or negative...

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WTF? I am pissed. Been going there since 2005. Now where am I going to go shoot? I felt this coming but not this soon, or abrupt.
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There website is back up and the under the pistol/rifle range sections they mention that they are closed but under repairs and will be reopen soon.
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I'll miss the range too. I come from L.A. just to have a little recreaction for myself and a buddy. It's been a good while since I shot my toys so I'll wait and hope that a new range near by will emerge. The range price doesn't matter as long as it has decent/stable tables to do some nice bench rest shooting.

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Have you tried going to Angeles Shooting Range in Sylmar, not too far from L.A.? If not you should give it a shot

Got10/22,

I've been their before BUT quite a long time ago perhaps 15 years. I didn't like it as I started going to the San Gabriel Valley Shooting Club that closed down around 3 years ago.

Fairly recently I stumbled by accident only that we can begin to have AR-15's again as my buddy and I stopped off at Cold War Shooters. Since then I've acquired a couple for my sporting usage again. Now my buddy and I have been talking only about trying Angeles Shooting Range and may try it under the assumption the Upland Fishing Game and Shooting won't open their gates anymore. All my buddy and I do is bench rest style shooting and won't blink an eye in leaving if they don't have true shooting benches for serious shooters in mind. We tried Burro Canyon but all they have is pure junk tables and such that they pick-up from time to time. Not for the serious minded.
For now all I can hope for is that Upland Gaming will re-open again soon. I don't mind the drive. It's only an hour and a half from L.A. anyway.

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Old 08-23-2009, 10:44 PM
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Boycott Hal Woods and ALL his businesses.

Tear down his advertisements, flood local real estate websites with bad comments about his business, put up posters warning any potential home buyers, commercial renters to be wary of Hal Woods.
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Old 08-23-2009, 11:13 PM
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remember san gabriel valley gun club?
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:01 AM
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Well the developer got the property dirt cheap because it was next to a range, than the range gets closed, property goes up...and sure as all get out he will buy the range property too, and soft play the lead issue while he builds the kids sand box with the former backstops....sounds like a developer to me...
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Old 08-24-2009, 12:13 AM
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Developers once again win, not because of being parasites, but because of capitalism. They bring more revenue to the city than a range. I don't hold developers in high regards, but I'd not call a parasite.

no, this developer was well aware of the range, he bought the property at a huge discount because of the range, his plan from the start was to shut the range down with legal suits. he had been filing nuisance suites personally against the board of directors individually in an attempt to bankrupt them personally for years now, the guy is a real piece of work


I hope with the housing crunch the guy loses his ars and ends up on skid row
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Well the developer got the property dirt cheap because it was next to a range, than the range gets closed, property goes up... and sure as all get out he will buy the range property too, and soft play the lead issue while he builds the kids sand box with the former backstops....sounds like a developer to me...
Not likely as the range sits on and is leased from BLM.
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Not likely as the range sits on and is leased from BLM.
Not only is the land Government land, it was one used as a dump many decades ago before the range was built there. You can't build on it unless you dig up what's underneath the range.
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any updates? is it going to reopen?
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any updates? is it going to reopen?
This was posted on Aug 07:
"Stand by! We are closed for Repairs. We are not ready to throw in the towel and you should be shooting in a few weeks. NO Thanks to a bunch of the nay sayers. Sure, we could lose the bid to exist, but at this point I would bet aginst it. Winners don't quit, quitters dont win. Were winners folks."

I sure hope they re-open!!
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I hope they reopen as well!
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