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Old 06-24-2005, 10:21 AM
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The barrel locks and bolt carrier were defective in the old 96's.
Please explain this so-called defect in the barrel lock design. I find it interesting that there are no mandatory upgrades for this on older M96's. Also, all late model barrels lock up perfectly with the older M96 receivers without modification. This would not be true if Robinson changed the barrel lock design.
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Old 06-23-2005, 3:00 PM
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Wow,
Is this the second re-call for this rifle already?They had something wrong with the barrels long time ago?
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Old 06-24-2005, 2:51 PM
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All I know is the info passed along by my friend, who had the rifle examined by a weapons expert. It was the failure of the design that caused the problem, that's why they offered the upgrades.

10th,
He was told by the doctors that the blast from the rifle deconstructing is what did it. Don't ask me how but he has the scars to prove it.
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Evidently some of the bolts and trigger groups are unsafe...here's a link to their website which provides info on ID and replacement if necessary.

http://www.robarm.com/Upgrades.asp

I've corresponded with 2 M96 owners (one from GunsAmerica and one from AR15.com). Neither knew of this safety notice. One of them checked while we were on the phone and his bolt was an affected one.
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Old 06-24-2005, 7:50 AM
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Wow,
Is this the second re-call for this rifle already?They had something wrong with the barrels long time ago?
I have followed the Robinson M96 closely since 1999 and there was never a barrel recall.
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Old 06-24-2005, 9:31 AM
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The barrel locks and bolt carrier were defective in the old 96's. A friend found out the hard way while shooting his.

He had taken the barrel off for whatever reason and when he put it back on he thought it was locked. The lock/button clicked when he put the barrel back on, thought it was good to go. Loaded it, pulled the trigger and BOOM! Warped the receiver, blew the barrel off the rifle and bulged the mag.

Basically ruined the rifle and him, when he got home his wife asked him if he was okay. He said he had a headache and she said go look in the mirror. From there he went to the hospital, had a CAT scan, two or three holes drilled in his skull to relieve the pressure....

It was found that the early design was faulty and cost Robinson a few bucks. Funny thing was, my friend only asked that his medical bills be taken care of. Had to get a lawyer after Robinson told him to take a hike.
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these are the early models. in fact when i was at my ffl, doing the transfer on my m96, there was a recall notice on his desk from robinson arms. So it looks to me that all the dealers were sent notice. lucky for me mine is a late model.
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There are only potential problems with the early M96's if the operator does not follow instructions. The older design only creates a potential hazard if the operator is defective.

That being said, I strongly recommend the upgrade.

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these are the early models. in fact when i was at my ffl, doing the transfer on my m96, there was a recall notice on his desk from robinson arms. So it looks to me that all the dealers were sent notice. lucky for me mine is a late model.
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Old 06-24-2005, 7:47 AM
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The reason for the carrier tail modification is to prevent the rifle from firing out of battery if the user installs the barrel improperly. I sent my carrier tails back 5 years ago for this modification after being notified by Robinson in 2000.

The reason for the trigger upgrade was posted by Alex Robinson on Biggerhammer on 5/8/03.

Trigger. The original triggers were extremely hard and made from stainless steel. They would last forever unless one dry fired the rifle, moved the selector to safe, and then pounded on the charging handle. The pounding would force the bolt carrier into the hammer which would then hit the trigger which was held in place by the safety. The result was a broken trigger. With the M96, one must always move the selector to fire to charge the weapon if the hammer has been released. Some people cannot get this through their head so we started making the triggers from a softer but more flexible material which won't break no matter how hard one pounds on it. However, we still do not recommend pounding on the charging handle. Don't be a dummy - make sure you're on fire before pulling back the charging handle.
The new triggers are better in one way, they have a better feel and a stronger disconnect. So if you have a few extra bucks, I would recommend this also. The new triggers have a better feel and are more consistent from one to another.


In addition, a broken disconnector could result in full auto capability. See this post: http://www.m96.org/postnuke/html/modules.php?op=modload...viewthread&tid=8#pid
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