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Old 07-05-2009, 11:09 PM
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Default Lever Action 44 Magnum Marlin for 100-150lb Pig?

I am thinking of going with a 44 magnum Marlin lever action rifle for pig hunting. Another friend suggest a .270. I am not really sure what I want to do. I love the lever action for its classy style so would prefer to stay in this type. I would also prefer a caliber that isn't to big, but can take down a boar comfortably at 75 yards.

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Old 07-05-2009, 11:16 PM
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A .44 Mag lever gun should do just fine at that distance, there are lots of good hunting loads for .44Mag. If your shooting them at long distance the .270 would be better. Up close in the bush a lever gun would be better. You might want to consider a sidearm too if your main gun fails for any reason, those pigs are dangerous unless it's rolling in **** on a farm.
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You should in theory get a little extra oomph out of the Marlins longer barrel compared to a revolver. BUT - Don't forget you may need lead free ammo, depending on where you hunt. And with a lever gun, you don't want to use a pointed bullet in a tubular magazine. The Hornady Leverevolution stuff is nice, but not lead free. Corbon makes a nice lead free .44 mag round. And it's a flat nose.
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Even if you use a handgun for backup, it would need to carry lead free ammo as well if you're in condor land.

On a recent hunt I brought my Ruger 7mm Mag, along with my Ruger .44 carbine and S&W 629 (Corbon ammo). I ended up using the 7mm Mag, but at the close range I took Miss Piggy, I could have used any of them.
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The California Dept of Fish and Game has online an excellent resource (40+ pages in PDF format) on guidelines for hog hunting including what is and isn't acceptable in terms of rilfe and handgun calibers (pgs 13 & 14). I've put the link below. There is a similar one for deer as well.

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44 Mag is good enough in my opinion. I use Federal Gold Medal 250 grain FPJ bullets.
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It's fine....

Some people hunt pig with .357 Mag pistols, so a .44 mag rifle will be fine...
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I always advocate the use of a rifle over a handgun cartridge. But the 44 Mag will do the job if you are under 100 yards. Though I would personally use a rifle anyways.
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Do you already own a handgun chambered in .44 magnum? If not, as you're inclined to go with a lever gun, why not consider a 30-30 instead? Better terminal ballistics and it will extend your effective range...

It would seem the only advantage in owning a lever gun chambered in .44 would be to reduce your load out if you already own and would carry a HG chambered in the same caliber... But then again, how many rounds do you realistically think you'll expend on a pig hunt?
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Do you already own a handgun chambered in .44 magnum? If not, as you're inclined to go with a lever gun, why not consider a 30-30 instead? Better terminal ballistics and it will extend your effective range...

It would seem the only advantage in owning a lever gun chambered in .44 would be to reduce your load out if you already own and would carry a HG chambered in the same caliber... But then again, how many rounds do you realistically think you'll expend on a pig hunt?
Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. The 30-30 is a true rifle cartridge and performs better than the 44 Magnum in every way. It recoils less too.

Trust me, I took the same path starting out with a Winchester 94 45 Colt+P, then a 45-70. While they are both great cartridges and will do the job... I eventually went to the 30-30 once I saw how limited I was with the other cartridges. The simple fact is that the 30-30 is the more modern more powerful cartridge. There is a reason why something like 7 million Winchester 94s were sold and only a few thousand '73 and '86 models were sold.

AGAIN: this isn't to knock the 44 Magnum. If you have your heart set on a 44 Mag levergun, then by all means get one. Only you know what makes you happy. The 44 Mag will do it's thing within it's range limit so as long as you're cognizant of that you should be fine...otherwise give the 30-30 a look
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My socom in 308 works also.
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What about the recoil 30-30 vs a 270? I am thinking now a rifle cartridge is the wiser choice because it allows for more options with the size of game, accuracy and distance. Good points mentioned here. I don't own a 44 caliber handgun so with whatever choice I go with it will be a new round in my collection.
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If 44 mag can bag a 400 pound bear it can take a piggy. 44 mag is plenty within the range you stated. My buddy got a bear from 75 yards with a 44 mag pistol. Sorry I have no pics. He said it dropped right away. It was a nusiance bear digging in the trash when he took it. I don't know what load he was using but 44 mag is a good round and out of a rifle it is better.
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What about the recoil 30-30 vs a 270? I am thinking now a rifle cartridge is the wiser choice because it allows for more options with the size of game, accuracy and distance. Good points mentioned here. I don't own a 44 caliber handgun so with whatever choice I go with it will be a new round in my collection.
I would certainly follow that approach. It's not that we're trying to rag on the 44 Mag, it can do the job and well. But even out of a rifle it is a fish out of water. Since you don't own a 44 Magnum handgun, what's the point? I only mentioned the 30-30 because I thought you had to have a levergun. If you're looking at a 270 or something like a 308 I would definitely choose that over the 44 Magnum. Why limit yourself to 100 yards when you can get 200-300 yards?
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If 44 mag can bag a 400 pound bear it can take a piggy. 44 mag is plenty within the range you stated. My buddy got a bear from 75 yards with a 44 mag pistol. Sorry I have no pics. He said it dropped right away. It was a nusiance bear digging in the trash when he took it. I don't know what load he was using but 44 mag is a good round and out of a rifle it is better.

A pack mule can adequately haul two sheets of drywall to my house from Home Depot, but wouldn't it be more efficient and effective for me to toss them in the back of a truck?

There's no comparing the ballistic performance of a .44 magnum - even fired out of the 20" barrel of a lever gun - to a .30-30 cartridge. Fired out of a 20-inch barrel, a 240-grain .44 has a MV of approx. 1,760 fps - compared 2,390 fps for a std. 150-grain sp .30-30.

At 100 yards, the .44 has slowed to 1,370-1,380 fps, while the .30-30 is still traveling at a velocity around 2,000 fps. At 100 yards, not only does the .30-30 deliver significantly more (+25%-35%) energy, its greater velocity and greater sectional density will equate to better penetration, making it easier to bag your game with less-than-optimal shot placement.

I don't doubt your buddy took down a bear with a .44... I read one Alaska resident's account (in Glock's '08 catalog) of taking down a grizzly with his .40. And to be honest, I think the .44 would most likely suffice more often than not, if fired out of a long gun.

But I revert back to Rule #1.b. Bring enough gun.

And in comparing the performance of a .44 to a .30-30, there simply is no comparison.
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So what would be minimum gun needed for pigs? When I go pig hunting I don't want to have to go buy something if my mini 14 will work.
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Gentlemen As far as I know Barnes makes a .44 mag no-lead in 225gr. and Magtech claims one in 200gr. that it as far as I am aware.

Many more loadings for rifle than pistol cartridges.

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/hunti...ifiedammo.html

Prior to no-lead I used a 265gr. hard cast GC Keith bullet that worked well in a .44 mag pistol. A friend just paid $73.00 for factory (20 ea) .45 win mag in no-lead. Price needs to be considered when looking at no-lead.

If the OP is in the no-lead zone it does not matter the caliber but what is available.
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So what would be minimum gun needed for pigs? When I go pig hunting I don't want to have to go buy something if my mini 14 will work.


Look at Fish & Game link in post #4. Then look at your ammo,and most important of all is your ability of shot placement. If your mini can,can you?
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Many deer, elk, bear (black and brown), wolf, and moose have been killed with a 44-40. The 44-40 in a winchester 73 or 92 was a very popular choice for an all around sporting rifle for almost 60 years.

If you put that .44 slug where It needs to be It will work great.
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If a friend call me up and said "Let's go hunt some pigs", I'd grab my 44mag Lever gun, and a .357 revolver for back up, because that's my best option out of my safe right now. If went out looking for a rifle to buy for pig hunting, I'd look for something bigger and more versatile. 30-30 would fit the requirements pretty well.

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Yea bring enough gun and a whole lotta rope. Dang hogs like getting shot down hill and at least 1/2 mile from the road you parked on... The bigger they are the farther away they will drop dead.
The last Piggie I took while huntin' was with a .303 Brit (Remmy soft points I think) out of a SMLE. Cuz thats the only rifle I had bigger than a SKS. That was sweeeet )
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What about the recoil 30-30 vs a 270? I am thinking now a rifle cartridge is the wiser choice because it allows for more options with the size of game, accuracy and distance. Good points mentioned here. I don't own a 44 caliber handgun so with whatever choice I go with it will be a new round in my collection.
270 is the same as 30-06 - really - the difference is very minor. 30-30 is a light recoiling round in the same weight rifle. Some of those lever carbines are very light so pay attention to the weight.
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A pack mule can adequately haul two sheets of drywall to my house from Home Depot, but wouldn't it be more efficient and effective for me to toss them in the back of a truck?

There's no comparing the ballistic performance of a .44 magnum - even fired out of the 20" barrel of a lever gun - to a .30-30 cartridge. Fired out of a 20-inch barrel, a 240-grain .44 has a MV of approx. 1,760 fps - compared 2,390 fps for a std. 150-grain sp .30-30.

At 100 yards, the .44 has slowed to 1,370-1,380 fps, while the .30-30 is still traveling at a velocity around 2,000 fps. At 100 yards, not only does the .30-30 deliver significantly more (+25%-35%) energy, its greater velocity and greater sectional density will equate to better penetration, making it easier to bag your game with less-than-optimal shot placement.

I don't doubt your buddy took down a bear with a .44... I read one Alaska resident's account (in Glock's '08 catalog) of taking down a grizzly with his .40. And to be honest, I think the .44 would most likely suffice more often than not, if fired out of a long gun.

But I revert back to Rule #1.b. Bring enough gun.

And in comparing the performance of a .44 to a .30-30, there simply is no comparison.
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Many deer, elk, bear (black and brown), wolf, and moose have been killed with a 44-40. The 44-40 in a winchester 73 or 92 was a very popular choice for an all around sporting rifle for almost 60 years.

If you put that .44 slug where It needs to be It will work great.
That's true, but it's a very misleading argument. Many of those same animals have been killed with spears, arrows, and musket balls, too.

The 44-40 is a wimp of a round as far as rifles go. Yes, it was an upgrade from the .44 rimfire shrimp round designed for the 1860 Henry. But it was nowhere near as powerful as the 45-70 which was a true rifle round. Yet no one was about to carry (or buy) that big *** 1886 Winchester 45-70 rifle around when the '73 44-40 was lighter and cheaper. Your average cowpoke or caballero didn't have the cash to keep upgrading to a new rifle every few years which was the rate at which firearms technology was advancing in the late 19th century. But the '94 Winchester is such a huge leap in technology that I would have to be compelled not go upgrade to that rifle from a 44-40.
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I don't see what is misleading in my statement. The .44-40 would not be my first choice in a elk or bear gun but It once was. Are elk any tougher now than they were in 1880? Did they evolve with bullet tech? I rember many old timers that would kill their deer and black bears with 30-30's, 44-40, and 38-40's. No one called the .44-40 a wimp because they looked at field results, not numbers that read how powerful a round was. the old black powder 45-70 was roughly as powerful as a stout .44 mag load out of a rifle. By your thinking why would you have used a 94 in 30WCF when you could have had a 95 in 30-06,30-03,.303, or .35 win?
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I don't see what is misleading in my statement.
It might just be me, but it's misleading because it gives the reader the sense that you can do everything with a 44 Mag that you can with a 30-30. It might not actually be what you meant, but it reads that way.

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I rember many old timers that would kill their deer and black bears with 30-30's, 44-40, and 38-40's. No one called the .44-40 a wimp because they looked at field results, not numbers that read how powerful a round was.
I'm not saying they won't kill when they hit their mark. I'm just saying that even though it might "do the job" there are better more versatile rounds available.

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Nipping at the heels with a 350gr bullet maybe, but I've never seen a .44 that could launch a 405 or 500gr bullet at the velocity that the 45 Gov't can. Either way this is an apples and oranges argument. The 44 Magnum is a smokeless powder handgun round, the 45-70 is a black powder rifle round. What about a modern 45-70+P loaded for Ruger rifles? Apples and oranges. The 45-70 became obsolete in 1892 when the Army adopted the 30-40 Krag.

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I wouldn't have. I would have tried to get my hands on a bolt action smokeless powder rifle like a Lee Enfield or Mosin Nagant. If that wasn't possible then yeah probably a Winchester 95 in 30-40 Krag. But that's because I like to shoot things at 500 yards or more away. If I were a once a year hunter and knew I would only be shooting deer, then I'd just stick with the 30-30 which is nearly the perfect deer cartridge. More powerful than a pistol round but recoils less than a 30-06.
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Ok, I think now we both understand each other. And I completely agree with your last post
P.S. I would like to complement you on your winchester rifle smarts. We need more levergunner's on CG
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Ok, I think now we both understand each other. And I completely agree with your last post
P.S. I would like to complement you on your winchester rifle smarts. We need more levergunner's on CG
Oh most definitely, no harm intended in my post. I'm just trying to put out some information.

BTW thanks for the complement! I am a huge levergun fun and would like to see more of us around here. A bolt action might be more sturdy, but nothing compares to the slickness and light handling of a levergun
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Bill Ruger Sr. swore that the .44 magnum was a better game cartridge than ballistics showed, which is why at one time he made three different rifles in that caliber.

I can't comment on hogs, but the .44 magnum does well on Whitetail and coyotes.
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Since it seems you are looking for a lever gun, how about the Browning BLR? They come chambered in many calibers and don't weigh alot. Look around for some old Savages they made a mdl 99 I think in different calibers.

Remington offers a pump action in ? calibers.
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IMHO a 44 mag lever is fine if you already own it.

If looking to pig hunt and starting from scratch, then:
1) either go with a 44 mag revolver for close-in brush work and shorter-range shots - hauling a rifle while trying to belly crawl thru brush quietly is tough. And unless you book some sweet ranch hunt you will be in lots of brush.

2) go with a rifle in a 30-30 to 308 win caliber range for the extra power and range.

now lever vs bolt action is a different story. flat nose non-lead ammo for a lever gun are OK, but obviously a bolt action (or BLR or Savage 99) will let you use pointed bullets with better performance.
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Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying. The 30-30 is a true rifle cartridge and performs better than the 44 Magnum in every way. It recoils less too.

Trust me, I took the same path starting out with a Winchester 94 45 Colt+P, then a 45-70. While they are both great cartridges and will do the job... I eventually went to the 30-30 once I saw how limited I was with the other cartridges. The simple fact is that the 30-30 is the more modern more powerful cartridge. There is a reason why something like 7 million Winchester 94s were sold and only a few thousand '73 and '86 models were sold.

AGAIN: this isn't to knock the 44 Magnum. If you have your heart set on a 44 Mag levergun, then by all means get one. Only you know what makes you happy. The 44 Mag will do it's thing within it's range limit so as long as you're cognizant of that you should be fine...otherwise give the 30-30 a look

+2, i have a marlin 336c 30-30 and its a great rifle. Durable and accurate enough. Plus you can get those rounds off pretty fast with practice. 44 is pretty cool too. I always wanted a lever gun to match a sidearm. Having the same ammo is good.
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Old 07-08-2009, 2:26 PM
Texwanders Texwanders is offline
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Something I had to learn the hard way is, pigs have smaller lungs than deer, and regardless of what you shoot, aim farther forward and try to break their shoulder.

If you do live in the No-lead zone, then you are limited to available ammo, or handload the .44.
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Old 07-11-2009, 5:39 AM
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Good Lever guns for pigs are 30-30, the new 308 Hornandy Lever Evolution. But the 44 is fine just make sure to be ready for a second shot.

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