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Old 06-26-2009, 4:56 PM
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Read the flowchart above, then decide how much excitement you want in your life...

For me, it's not worth it just to say you have a Colt lower.
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It's not a 6920, so yes. But how much drama do you want and how close to the edge of the cliff will you walk?
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It is not an AR15, LE6920, Sporter, or Match Target. That being said the rollmarks are identical to the 6920.
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Geeze, I am considering buying one of everything that SGC is selling right now. They have 6940 rifles for $1395! Guess I can't have one.
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Geeze, I am considering buying one of everything that SGC is selling right now. They have 6940 rifles for $1395! Guess I can't have one.
It's offlist. I'd get one BB equipped if I had the money right now.
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It's not listed specifically, so it's OLL
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It is not an AR15, LE6920, Sporter, or Match Target. That being said the rollmarks are identical to the 6920.
I feel the same way, yes it's legal, but I wouldn't want to own one. BUT, it's odd to me that I do, considering the RRA situation is exactly the same and I wouldn't worry about that one.

I'm tempted, though, considering how nice the 6940 is.

I think it's the idea that it says "Colt" that has us all thrown.
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I'd love one. So where is it sellin for $1395?
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I want a colt. I just don't want to take any chances.
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I'd love one. So where is it sellin for $1395?
Scottsdale Gun Club, a place where you should make a pilgrimage to at least once before you die.

Here's the 6940; http://sgcusa.com/Warehouse-Sale/c23...duct_info.html
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One of those 6940 uppers cut down for a pistol lower would be snazzy! It would suck if they released the pdw version after though..
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This post is taken from the CA home town forum on AR15.com.


There may be four lower receivers that meet todays definition of California legal "off-list".

1. Colt Carbine Model # unk.
2. Colt CAR-A3 HBAR ELITE Model 6724
3. Colt M4 Law Enforcement carbine. Model 6921
4. Colt Law Enforcement Carbine. Model 6940

There are different features, both marking and functional parts between the Colt off-list receivers. There are probably variations within these.

The Colt carbine is rollmarked "COLT(logo) COLT CARBINE tm CAL. .223 SER. CC xxx" The Carbine model may be a large pivot pin hole .315 lower.
It has .155 hammer and trigger pin holes.
They come with a standard AR-15 trigger group.
Some may be marked "EXPORT USE ONLY" on the right side of the magazine well.
Some may have visibly pinned auto-sear block receivers.
unknown what type of fence.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...ltcarbine2.jpg


The 6724 model is rollmarked with "COLT(logo) CAR-A3 HBAR ELITE CAL. 223 SER. BK xxx"
Some have both standard front and rear .250 pin holes with push pins.
Some have the pivot pin hole .250 in size with a two piece screw.
The ones with the two piece screw pin are not drilled in the magazine fence for a spring and detent for a .250 push pivot pin.
The hammer and trigger pins are .170. They come with a Colt enhanced (match) trigger group.
There are visibly pinned auto-sear block receivers and webbed non visible auto-sear block receivers.
There are large and small holes in visibly pinned receivers.
You can see the automatic sear block pin hole and pin above the selector lever on receivers that have them.
They have a full fence.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q.../NICECARA3.jpg

The 6921 model is rollmarked "COLT(logo) M4LE COLTS LAW ENFORCEMENT CAL. 5.56MM LE xxx".
They have .250 push pin take down and pivot pins.
They have .155 hammer and trigger pin holes.
They come with a standard AR-15 trigger group
They are marked LE/GOV'T/EXPORT use only.
They have a web auto-sear block, and have a full fence.
The 6921 comes with a 14.5" barrel. Likely deregistered NFA lower.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...pe4u/m4lea.jpg

The 6940 model is rollmarked "COLT(logo) COLTS LAW ENFORCEMENT CARBINE CAL. 5.56MM LE xxx".
They have .250 push pin take down and pivot pins.
They have .155 hammer and trigger pin holes. They come with a standard AR-15 trigger group.
They are marked LE/GOV'T/EXPORT use only. They have a web auto-sear block. They have a full fence.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...ipe4u/6920.jpg




Here's a large hole visible sear block pin on both sides of the receiver.
This is a HBAR ELITE.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...e4u/COLT56.jpg


Here's a photo of a sear block inside the receiver viewed from the top. This type of sear block will not allow you to use
M-16 bolt carriers. It uses the Colt AR-15 half circle bolt carriers.



Here's an example of a webbed in auto-sear block. Seen only when the receivers are taken down.
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That post is here from WHenderson.

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This post is taken from the CA home town forum on AR15.com.


There may be four lower receivers that meet todays definition of California legal "off-list".

1. Colt Carbine Model # unk.
2. Colt CAR-A3 HBAR ELITE Model 6724
3. Colt M4 Law Enforcement carbine. Model 6921
4. Colt Law Enforcement Carbine. Model 6940

There are different features, both marking and functional parts between the Colt off-list receivers. There are probably variations within these.

The Colt carbine is rollmarked "COLT(logo) COLT CARBINE tm CAL. .223 SER. CC xxx" The Carbine model may be a large pivot pin hole .315 lower.
It has .155 hammer and trigger pin holes.
They come with a standard AR-15 trigger group.
Some may be marked "EXPORT USE ONLY" on the right side of the magazine well.
Some may have visibly pinned auto-sear block receivers.
unknown what type of fence.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...ltcarbine2.jpg


The 6724 model is rollmarked with "COLT(logo) CAR-A3 HBAR ELITE CAL. 223 SER. BK xxx"
Some have both standard front and rear .250 pin holes with push pins.
Some have the pivot pin hole .250 in size with a two piece screw.
The ones with the two piece screw pin are not drilled in the magazine fence for a spring and detent for a .250 push pivot pin.
The hammer and trigger pins are .170. They come with a Colt enhanced (match) trigger group.
There are visibly pinned auto-sear block receivers and webbed non visible auto-sear block receivers.
There are large and small holes in visibly pinned receivers.
You can see the automatic sear block pin hole and pin above the selector lever on receivers that have them.
They have a full fence.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q.../NICECARA3.jpg

The 6921 model is rollmarked "COLT(logo) M4LE COLTS LAW ENFORCEMENT CAL. 5.56MM LE xxx".
They have .250 push pin take down and pivot pins.
They have .155 hammer and trigger pin holes.
They come with a standard AR-15 trigger group
They are marked LE/GOV'T/EXPORT use only.
They have a web auto-sear block, and have a full fence.
The 6921 comes with a 14.5" barrel. Likely deregistered NFA lower.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...pe4u/m4lea.jpg

The 6940 model is rollmarked "COLT(logo) COLTS LAW ENFORCEMENT CARBINE CAL. 5.56MM LE xxx".
They have .250 push pin take down and pivot pins.
They have .155 hammer and trigger pin holes. They come with a standard AR-15 trigger group.
They are marked LE/GOV'T/EXPORT use only. They have a web auto-sear block. They have a full fence.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...ipe4u/6920.jpg




Here's a large hole visible sear block pin on both sides of the receiver.
This is a HBAR ELITE.

http://i461.photobucket.com/albums/q...e4u/COLT56.jpg


Here's a photo of a sear block inside the receiver viewed from the top. This type of sear block will not allow you to use
M-16 bolt carriers. It uses the Colt AR-15 half circle bolt carriers.



Here's an example of a webbed in auto-sear block. Seen only when the receivers are taken down.
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buy that ****. sell the upper. then slap on a 6921 upper. I'm thinking about doing it
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buy that ****. sell the upper. then slap on a 6921 upper. I'm thinking about doing it
I think your upper/lower stuff is reversed.

You want a 6921 lower with a 6940 upper, correct?

The reverse is less desirable from both a legal and functional perspective.
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AFAIK, the 6920 and 6940 use the same lowers. Same rollmarks.

I'm shying away from a 6940 because of this. I'd love to have one but I'm not particularly interested in any legal bull**** that I might possibly incur.

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[QUOTE=toaster;2697233]AFAIK, the 6920 and 6940 use the same lowers. Same rollmarks.

Correct

LE6920 (banned Cat.2 AW)


LE6940 (offlist)
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Again, the RRA banned "LE Tactical Carbine" uses the same lower as the, "M4 entry tactical," which isn't banned. No one would consider the RRA M4 entry as a banned weapon.

I think it a bit odd we're all on board with RRA that don't match, but we're all afraid of the 6940. Lest you think I'm calling you chicken, I'm not going to do it, either.

There is the additional obfuscating factor of the "Law Enforcement (6920)" with the "Law Enforcement" being on the receiver itself, but still... the fact remains it specifies 6920 and they can't have it both ways.
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If we can't convince the shipping and receiving FFL's, it's a moot point anyway. For $1395 though, it just plain makes me salivate, like a dog.
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If we can't convince the shipping and receiving FFL's, it's a moot point anyway. For $1395 though, it just plain makes me salivate, like a dog.
What makes you think there aren't FFLs who will do it?
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That post is here from WHenderson.
It may be, but I copied it from the CA hometown forum on AR15.com

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Again, the RRA banned "LE Tactical Carbine" uses the same lower as the, "M4 entry tactical," which isn't banned. No one would consider the RRA M4 entry as a banned weapon.

I think it a bit odd we're all on board with RRA that don't match, but we're all afraid of the 6940. Lest you think I'm calling you chicken, I'm not going to do it, either.

There is the additional obfuscating factor of the "Law Enforcement (6920)" with the "Law Enforcement" being on the receiver itself, but still... the fact remains it specifies 6920 and they can't have it both ways.
I'm this close to ordering one, I'm just worried about "someone" inquiring as to why I can buy a 1400 dollar piece of professional grade weaponry that will probably outlive my son's grandchildren, but not a 400 dollar D&B bag or Tiffany bling or overpriced MAC warpaint.

You dudes that spoiled your wives and GF's early on know what I mean...
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But.........I offered to get her an AR with the Dooney & Bourke logo on it. She still didn't understand.
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Just wondering out loud.......

What if Colt roll mark the 6940 differently,

revised rollmark:
Colt with a Colt Logo
Tactical Carbine
call it another number instead of LE6940, maybe like CT7940, or CT8940
marked the caliber as 5.56mm,
plus the serial number...

this would be safe enough and far enough from the banned stuff for any one to feel safe with it on the range as long as the person comply with the law by adding a bullet button?
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Has anyone order one from SGCUSA yet?
I just tried ordering. Heres what I got back:


My processing department just brought your order into my office. While the 6920 is on the list and the 6940 isn't, they have the same lower receiver. We're being led to believe that the only way to differentiate the two would be to show them the box or tag denoting that it is a 6940. As a result most people aren't comfortable owning one in California, and we aren't comfortable sending Colt AR's to California. I'm sorry for the inconvenience, but is there another non-Colt rifle you would like instead? Please let me know how you would like to proceed.

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Just wondering out loud.......

What if Colt roll mark the 6940 differently,

revised rollmark:
Colt with a Colt Logo
Tactical Carbine
call it another number instead of LE6940, maybe like CT7940, or CT8940
marked the caliber as 5.56mm,
plus the serial number...

this would be safe enough and far enough from the banned stuff for any one to feel safe with it on the range as long as the person comply with the law by adding a bullet button?
There's no need to change the 6940 model number.

Tactical Carbine would be fine. The problem is that the "Colt's Law Enforcement Carbine" rollmark is identical to that of the 6920. If they changed it to anything that doesn't include "Law Enforcement", "AR-15", "Match Target" or "Sporter" then it would be fine. Or they could just add "6940" to the current rollmark, but I'm sure that by itself would still leave some people queasy.
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There's no need to change the 6940 model number.

Tactical Carbine would be fine. The problem is that the "Colt's Law Enforcement Carbine" rollmark is identical to that of the 6920. If they changed it to anything that doesn't include "Law Enforcement", "AR-15", "Match Target" or "Sporter" then it would be fine. Or they could just add "6940" to the current rollmark, but I'm sure that by itself would still leave some people queasy.
I'd agree with this... leaving off the "law enforcement" would be the nicer part.

OR they could write Colt Model 6940 and then say anything else - directly specifying the model would preclude someone from saying the rest is anything but chatter. In fact, there would be nothing illegal about removing the rest (anything but the make, model, SN) from your own gun.
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If we can't convince the shipping and receiving FFL's, it's a moot point anyway. For $1395 though, it just plain makes me salivate, like a dog.
The ffl's interpretation has alwaze been the acid test for me. If the shipping and receiving ffls are comfy that something is off list- then it's a go as far as I'm concerned.

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I'd agree with this... leaving off the "law enforcement" would be the nicer part.

OR they could write Colt Model 6940 and then say anything else - directly specifying the model would preclude someone from saying the rest is anything but chatter. In fact, there would be nothing illegal about removing the rest (anything but the make, model, SN) from your own gun.
I never thought of this- so you can remove certain parts of the rollmark without affecting the legally required info?
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I got one from CWS for my own personal collection because it was a Colt. Then I realized that I already have a LMT MRP CQB and a DD M4 and I really don't need another 16" railed rifle. So I put it on the rack last week.

A guy came in and bought it yesterday.

I am pretty sure I logged it into my bound book as a 6940, I will put it on the 4473 as a 6940, I will put it on the receipt as a 6940, and I will put it on the legal lowers agreement as a 6940.

Now I can't speak for the rest of the Calguns Foundation, but I would vote yes to back up anyone who gets popped for having a legit 6940. We have already won because the law is too vague once, I am willing to try it again.
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LEGAL. I mean seriously, its off the list, but you guys are afraid?
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Sorry if this has been covered...but why don't you just buy the 6940 upper and throw it on a lower of your choice? I just wanted the upper for the monolithic rail so ordered it off gunbroker to my doorstep and threw it on an M&P lower.

Or is it the full colt setup you're looking for...
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Of course, mere possession of a listed lower is not a crime. Please note that the law specifically refers to semi-auto RIFLES which are listed. As redneckshootist just pointed out here: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=312241 , it would be legal to have a pistol built on a listed lower since, it is not a "rifle". Of course, this is purely academic and, should not be attempted because, there are too many other options out there.
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Just buy a Colt 6940 upper and Mate it with any CA Legal Lower with a Bullet Button. KD Lowers are way better than a Colt lower. Better Machining, finish and fit. Then you know you are LEGAL HERE.
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fit and finish on a kd better than colts? have you touched and felt a colt lower? they are all milspec.
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I got my magic letter and bought a 6940 a couple of months ago... then took it to Thunder ranch with an aimpoint comp4s mounted...
I didn't shoot any better than the wife with her noveske light rifle...
I wouldn't skirt the edge until we get this AW stuff worked through the courts...
most of my fellow officers bought noveske rifles...they are really happy...
my colt is very reliable but it is a bit heavier than I would prefer...maybe someday the gun fairy will leave enough money under my pillow and I'll buy another noveske upper to put on the colt...
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noveske is made by the same machines colt uses. CMT, and there is even fewer forges out there.
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