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Old 06-26-2009, 1:41 PM
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I was just doing some figuring, and came up with what I consider an interesting result. While only 21% of Californians own guns according to the State of South Carolina's Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS), it is the most populous state. So, only one state (Texas) has a larger percentage of the country's gun owners, about 9% to California's 8%. Florida is next with about 4.6%.
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Texas                               35.90       24,326,974                          8,733,384                            8.96%
California                          21.30       36,756,666                          7,829,170                            8.04%
Florida                             24.50       18,328,340                          4,490,443                            4.61%
Pennsylvania                        34.70       12,448,279                          4,319,553                            4.43%
Georgia                             40.30        9,685,744                          3,903,355                            4.01%
Michigan                            38.40       10,003,422                          3,841,314                            3.94%
North Carolina                      41.30        9,222,414                          3,808,857                            3.91%
Ohio                                32.40       11,485,910                          3,721,435                            3.82%
New York                            18.00       19,490,297                          3,508,253                            3.60%
Virginia                            35.10        7,769,089                          2,726,950                            2.80%
Tennessee                           43.90        6,214,888                          2,728,336                            2.80%
Illinois                            20.20       12,901,563                          2,606,116                            2.67%
Indiana                             39.10        6,376,792                          2,493,326                            2.56%
Wisconsin                           44.40        5,627,967                          2,498,817                            2.56%
Missouri                            41.70        5,911,605                          2,465,139                            2.53%
Alabama                             51.70        4,661,900                          2,410,202                            2.47%
Minnesota                           41.70        5,220,393                          2,176,904                            2.23%
Washington                          33.10        6,549,224                          2,167,793                            2.22%
Kentucky                            47.70        4,269,245                          2,036,430                            2.09%
Arizona                             31.10        6,500,180                          2,021,556                            2.07%
Louisiana                           44.10        4,410,796                          1,945,161                            2.00%
South Carolina                      42.30        4,479,800                          1,894,955                            1.94%
Colorado                            34.70        4,939,456                          1,713,991                            1.76%
Mississippi                         55.30        2,938,618                          1,625,056                            1.67%
Arkansas                            55.30        2,855,390                          1,579,031                            1.62%
Oklahoma                            42.90        3,642,361                          1,562,573                            1.60%
Oregon                              39.80        3,790,060                          1,508,444                            1.55%
Iowa                                42.80        3,002,555                          1,285,094                            1.32%
Maryland                            21.30        5,633,597                          1,199,956                            1.23%
Utah                                43.90        2,736,424                          1,201,290                            1.23%
Kansas                              42.10        2,802,134                          1,179,698                            1.21%
New Jersey                          12.30        8,682,661                          1,067,967                            1.10%
West Virginia                       55.40        1,814,468                          1,005,215                            1.03%
Nevada                              33.80        2,600,167                            878,856                            0.90%
Idaho                               55.30        1,523,816                            842,670                            0.86%
Massachusetts                       12.60        6,497,967                            818,744                            0.84%
New Mexico                          34.80        1,984,356                            690,556                            0.71%
Nebraska                            38.60        1,783,432                            688,405                            0.71%
Connecticut                         16.70        3,501,252                            584,709                            0.60%
Montana                             57.70          967,440                            558,213                            0.57%
Maine                               40.50        1,316,456                            533,165                            0.55%
South Dakota                        56.60          804,194                            455,174                            0.47%
New Hampshire                       30.00        1,315,809                            394,743                            0.41%
Alaska                              57.80          686,293                            396,677                            0.41%
North Dakota                        50.70          641,481                            325,231                            0.33%
Wyoming                             59.70          532,668                            318,003                            0.33%
Vermont                             42.00          621,270                            260,933                            0.27%
Delaware                            25.50          591,833                            150,917                            0.15%
Rhode Island                        12.80        1,050,788                            134,501                            0.14%
Hawaii                               8.70        1,288,198                            112,073                            0.12%
D.C.                                 3.80          873,092                             33,178                            0.03%
                                               304,059,724                         97,432,512                           32.04%
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Well shucks.....no wonder they try to control us so much! We must be a "behavioral risk" huh?
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BRFSS is a census.gov sponsored telephone survey.
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The Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System (BRFSS) is a state-based system of health surveys that collects information on health risk behaviors, preventive health practices, and health care access primarily related to chronic disease and injury. For many states, the BRFSS is the only available source of timely, accurate data on health-related behaviors.
They quit asking about firearms in 2003, I think appropriately, since the 'disease model' for firearms is unjustified.
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Well, since this is a relatively rich state, if I were a group like the NRA or a manufacturer, California would be at the top of my list to solicit for sales/donations. Unfortunately since we're a low percentage of Californians, we don't get much of a voice here electorally.
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wow, there are a lot of folks out there who need to get armed!!!
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That's what - about 7.5 million gun owners in CA? Not bad, but as a percentage we're down there with MD, IL, NY, MA, RI, NJ and other states with crappy gun laws. From what I see of this list, gun control doesn't reduce crime - it reduces the number of gun owners making them less important at the polls, which of course allows for more gun control leading to ......fewer gun owners.
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So there are more Firearms owners in Ca. than 8 other states combined ?
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i'd be interested in knowing how many firearms there are total in each state. i'd be very surprised if CA wasn't leading in that category.
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If that is the case then that is nearly 10 million gun owners in california of course that is hopefully legal gun owners. The question is, how to arm the rest of them.
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59.7% of the people in Wyoming own firearms but only 21.3% of the people in California. That's why we have all the bad guns laws.
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59.7% of the people in Wyoming own firearms but only 21.3% of the people in California. That's why we have all the bad guns laws.
There are more people in Tehama & Shasta Counties than in that entire state .
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what about guns per capita, i know Alaska, and Pennsylvania are up there
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This is all fine and dandy, but so far that doesn't mean much as far as fighting against hoplophobic nut cases. So far the only thing that's worked is suing the bastards into submission.
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i'd be interested in knowing how many firearms there are total in each state. i'd be very surprised if CA wasn't leading in that category.
Lots of people would find those numbers interesting. Barring a house to house search, we aren't going to get that information.

In the political climate since 1968 (if you can remember that far back), if some unknown person called you on the phone and asked the BRSS question
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The next question is about firearms, including weapons
such as pistols, shotguns, and rifles; but not BB guns, 
starter pistols, or guns that cannot fire. 
 
12.1. Are any firearms now kept in or around your home?  
Include those kept in a garage, outdoor storage area, car, 
truck, or other motor vehicle.   (109) 
 
1 Yes 
2 No 
7 Don’t know/Not sure 
9 Refused
how would you answer? How would you predict any random sample of folks would answer?

How they DO answer is known - the General Social Survey gets results around 35% of households.

But BATF production and sales data had 235 million as of 1994, and a continuing value of 4-7 million added each year.

A decent projection is about 300 million in 2009.

There are an estimated 111 million or so households in the US, with an average of about 2.6 persons per household, for about 288 million people in 'households' out of about 304 million known residents.

If 35% of 288 million each had 1 gun, that accounts for 101 million guns.

I think a number of people who DO have guns answer 'No' when asked.
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This is all fine and dandy, but so far that doesn't mean much as far as fighting against hoplophobic nut cases. So far the only thing that's worked is suing the bastards into submission.
There are enough of us to make a difference politically (ie, donations) nationally, but it's hard to make things happen here since we're still a minority..
Seven million people, though, is a lot of people. We should be able to mobilize to have a fair amount of clout.
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So explain to me again why firearms retailers still think that "WILL NOT SHIP TO CA" is a good thing to put in their product descriptions?

This also explains Mark LaRue's rapid about face recently....
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When you look at the numbers, don't forget that it's the percentage of the total number of people, including minors who can't own firearms. Now, if only those 97 million people voted in large part based on 2nd Amendment issues...
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Lots of people would find those numbers interesting. Barring a house to house search, we aren't going to get that information.
who wants to go first?
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When you look at the numbers, don't forget that it's the percentage of the total number of people, including minors who can't own firearms. Now, if only those 97 million people voted in large part based on 2nd Amendment issues...
I just read on the government census' web site that that's more than the number of people who voted in 2006.
According to them, the total citizen population over 18 is about 200M.
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So explain to me again why firearms retailers still think that "WILL NOT SHIP TO CA" is a good thing to put in their product descriptions?

This also explains Mark LaRue's rapid about face recently....
There're still the other 92% to supply.
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No wonder the shows look the way they do. That's actually a good thing.

Its WE the People here in CA.
Together WE stand divided we fall.
If this is true that were 2nd, were really showing numbers. Way to stick it to the man. I'm surprised were not first.

That's impressive..its like saying F...these freakin' laws that make no sense..but legally.
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There're still the other 92% to supply.
Yeah, I see your point, but 8,000,000 California consumers with good incomes and who are starving for products can't be wrong!
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There are more people in Tehama & Shasta Counties than in that entire state .
I should have said state gunlaws.

Gun owners are the majority in Wyoming so they don't have stupid state laws like we do.
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I cant believe no one has said this yet. Yea, only 21% of us have guns but together we have enough guns for the whole state. Personally I have enough for a squad.
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I cant believe no one has said this yet. Yea, only 21% of us have guns but together we have enough guns for the whole state. Personally I have enough for a squad.
I've handed out range cards to a few neighbors - haven't figured out how to get a T & E into their homes without too much explanation.
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I should have said state gunlaws.

Gun owners are the majority in Wyoming so they don't have stupid state laws like we do.
And the best thing is they have just as many Senators as California or New York. Viva la Great Compromise.

I suspect you can thank the little states with a lot of Senators for what Federal gun rights you have had pre-Heller.

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So how do we arm the other 28,927,496?
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Tell em the conservatives are coming to take their welfare checks.
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So how do we arm the other 28,927,496?
Form a "target team" club at work. Invite your neighbors to go shooting. Work a deal with your local shooting range for a free firearms instruction day and advertise it in the local newspaper.

Think of it as firearms evangelism. It would happen if gun owners were more outgoing about the sport.
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i'd be interested in knowing how many firearms there are total in each state. i'd be very surprised if CA wasn't leading in that category.
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