[gunbuff]

IMPORTANT NOTE FOR UTAH CONCEALED WEAPONS PERMIT HOLDERS- NO MORE NEVADA CARRY!

Nevada authorities have decided that Utah Concealed Weapon Permits will NOT, repeat NOT, be recognized in Nevada effective July 1, 2009.

Even though Nevada has recognized Utah permits for several years, they recently reviewed permits from all states and decided that they will no longer recognize permits from Utah or Florida. The excuses given are that Nevada law requires the other states permit requirements to be “substantially similar to” those of Nevada. However, since Utah does not require live fire to get a permit, Nevada will not longer recognize our permit. Florida permits are good for seven years, but Nevada permits are only good for five years, providing the excuse for dropping Florida.

The people involved with Nevada permits seem to include a few powerful members of the law enforcement community who are hostile to private citizens self defense rights.

Utah Shooting Sports Council and the National Rifle Association will continue to pursue actions to restore recognition of Utah permits by Nevada, but it may take several years and changes to the Nevada laws.

Meanwhile, DO NOT CARRY IN NEVADA with a Utah Concealed Weapons Permit!

[hkusp9c]

Thanx for the heads up

[Para45]

Not good news but thanks for the heads-up!!

[TonyM]

Do you have a source for this? I haven't been able to find anything yet.

[Anthonysmanifesto]

Please link to the release you posted and/or cite source.

please post information from the nevada or utah departments of public safety or contact that can verify this.

[TonyM]

I just left a message with Utah BCI to try to get clarification.



ETA: here's a link on defensivecarry.com:

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ed-nevada.html

Still nothing official yet though.

[Glock22Fan]

If this is true, and I wouldn't be surprised, it isn't yet showing on either the Utah or the Nevada pages -- both of which still show reciprocity.

However, I was surprised when they recognized Utah and Florida in the first place and would be disappointed, but not surprised, if this has happened now.

It is a pity that they didn't consider (my guess) how many crimes have been committed (or more likely not committed) by the people who are now banned.

I guess I'll have to delay strapping on until St. George instead of Primm on my trips to Utah. yes, I know there's a few miles of Arizona I could carry, but don't have any reason to stop along that stretch).

[Untamed1972]

Doesn't NV offer non-resident permits though?

I thought the UT permit did require live fire quals?


Someone better get on the horn to Piazza over at Front Site.....that might cost him some potential business if his students can't carry while they're in NV for training.

[Para45]

Originally Posted by Anthonysmanifesto

Please link to the release you posted and/or cite source.

please post information from the nevada or utah departments of public safety or contact that can verify this.

+1

Nevada DPS has no news releases on the subject. Please link!

[thempopresense]

NV was the main reason I got a permit, guess I will have to get a non resident NV permit now.

[Untamed1972]

Originally Posted by thempopresense

NV was the main reason I got a permit, guess I will have to get a non resident NV permit now.

Maybe NV is just wanting a piece of the pie and is tired of UT gettin' all the permit fees.

[n2k]

Utah is still on the list:

http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/...W_CHANGE.shtml

[Old Timer]

Originally Posted by Untamed1972

Doesn't NV offer non-resident permits though?

Yes, but you have to appear in person at a Sheriff or Police Station.

Here is what is required:

Nevada is a shall issue state and most CLEOs will issue permit for one or more specific firearms to any person who is qualified to possess a firearm under state and federal law, who submits an application in accordance Nevada law.

Is 21 years of age or older;

Is not prohibited from possessing a firearm pursuant to NRS 202.360; and

Demonstrates competence with a firearm by presenting a certificate or other documentation to the sheriff which shows that he:

(1) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety approved by a sheriff in this state; or

(2) Successfully completed a course in firearm safety offered by a federal, state or local law enforcement agency, community college, university or national organization that certifies instructors in firearm safety.

Such a course must include instruction in the use of each firearm to which the application pertains and in the laws of this state relating to the proper use of a firearm.

A sheriff may not approve a course in firearm safety unless he determines that the course meets any standards that are established by the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association.

Beginning 10/01/01 Non Residents Can apply for a Nevada Non resident permit. Non Residents must apply the same as Residents. They must appear in person at any Sheriffs Office.

Take a weeks vacation and go to Vegas and apply through the Clark County Sheriff's Department. Take all your documentation with you.

[Glock22Fan]

Originally Posted by Untamed1972

Doesn't NV offer non-resident permits though?

I thought the UT permit did require live fire quals?


Someone better get on the horn to Piazza over at Front Site.....that might cost him some potential business if his students can't carry while they're in NV for training.

Nevada does offer non-resident permits, but you have to go to Nevada to do the training course.

Some Utah instructors ask you to demonstrate proficiency, but unless it has changed, this isn't a requirement of Utah.

[Fjold]

One other thing that was brought up last year is that Colorado recently stopped recognizing Utah CW's because their State law says that they only recognize permits from the State that the bearer lives in. Six other states say the same thing, that they recognize CCWs from the person's home state only. So, they will recognize Utah and Florida Resident CCWs but not the FL and UT non-resident CCWs. Make sure you know what they are before travelling/carrying on a non-resident CCW.

Here's a map, the yellow highlighted states honor only Resident CCWs. It's kind of odd that Florida will issue non-resident CCWs but not recognize other State's Non-resident CCWs:

[n2k]

Here is where the July first date comes from:

NRS 202.3689 Department to prepare list of states that meet certain requirements concerning permits; Department to provide copy of list to law enforcement agencies in this State; Department to make list available to public.

1. On or before July 1 of each year, the Department shall:

(a) Examine the requirements for the issuance of a permit to carry a concealed firearm in each state and determine whether the requirements of each state are substantially similar to or more stringent than the requirements set forth in NRS 202.3653 to 202.369, inclusive.

(b) Determine whether each state has an electronic database which identifies each individual who possesses a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm issued by that state and which a law enforcement officer in this State may access at all times through a national law enforcement telecommunications system.

(c) Prepare a list of states that meet the requirements of paragraphs (a) and (b). A state must not be included in the list unless the Nevada Sheriffs’ and Chiefs’ Association agrees with the Department that the state should be included in the list.

(d) Provide a copy of the list prepared pursuant to paragraph (c) to each law enforcement agency in this State.

2. The Department shall, upon request, make the list prepared pursuant to subsection 1 available to the public.

(Added to NRS by 2007, 3150)

[Liberty1]

Thankfully, NV is still a "gold star" state constitution protected Open Carry state:

http://www.opencarry.org/opencarry.html

Hopefully the freedom forces in NV can use this travisty to try to make NV go "Vermont/Alaska".

Carry On!

[ChuckBooty]

Not sure I would get all worked up about this...there's no source other than another internet forum. This could all just be FUD.

[sdyeti]

I don't think that applies in Clark county does it?

[highpowermatch]

Originally Posted by thempopresense

NV was the main reason I got a permit, guess I will have to get a non resident NV permit now.

+1 me too, didn't even get a chance to exercise that right. Damn!

[leitung]

Originally Posted by ChuckBooty

Not sure I would get all worked up about this...there's no source other than another internet forum. This could all just be FUD.

+1 I want to see the facts.. Not just FUD

[Liberty1]

http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum36/27678.html

more fud

UPDATE:

I just called Nevada Department of Public Safety and talked to a lady by the name of Guinevere (like King Arther's wife) that deals with reciprocity with other states. She said they are not releasing an official statement but on July 1st the website would be updated to reflect upcoming changes. She said to check the website on July 1st for those changes.

Nevada Webpage: http://nvrepository.state.nv.us/Spec...W_CHANGE.shtml

[Liberty1]

Originally Posted by sdyeti

I don't think that applies in Clark county does it?

Open Carry? Yes it does. Only the regulation of discharge and Clark County's firearm registration requirement (must live there for 60 days? before it can be enforced) are valid. Otherwise state preemption rules.

[Untamed1972]

Originally Posted by Liberty1

Open Carry? Yes it does. Only the regulation of discharge and Clark County's firearm registration requirement (must live there for 60 days? before it can be enforced) are valid. Otherwise state preemption rules.

So open carry in Vegas is legal?

[bdsmchs]

Originally Posted by Untamed1972

So open carry in Vegas is legal?

Yes, but Metro really does not like for it to be done on the Strip. Please keep that in mind. Also, almost no casinos allow it either.

[CaliforniaCarry]

From NRA-ILA (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5001)

Effective, July 1, Nevada will no longer recognize Right-to-Carry permits from Utah or Florida. They have, however, added Ohio and West Virginia as recognized states.

Each May, the Nevada Department of Public Safety conducts an audit of states and their Right-to-Carry laws for the purpose of determining which states it will recognize.

The Nevada DPS dropped Utah because it does not have a live fire requirement, which is a part of Nevada's training requirements. When the Nevada DPS first began its state by state audit of Right-to-Carry laws in 2007, DPS admitted to NRA representatives that they overlooked the live fire training requirement. After further review, they determined that Utah wasn't similar enough to keep it on the list of recognized states.

Florida will no longer be recognized because its permits are now valid for seven years instead of five.

The Nevada DPS and the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs will be hosting their annual Right-to-Carry forum in Carson City in August with a teleconference feed to Las Vegas. We encourage all members to attend this informational meeting. Details will be forthcoming.

[Maestro Pistolero]

No Warning? How long has this been in works? Who is responsible for these changes? I live in Nevada and I'm pretty active here. Perhaps I could make some calls. Sometimes these things can be headed off early. Once implemented, and allowed to stand for a while it becomes much more difficult. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE!

It doesn't matter to me personally as I have a NV and Utah permit. I just hate to see ground lost on reciprocity.

[woodsman]

WOW! They picked on Florida becasue the period is ( more than )5 years? Lame.

[coq]

Originally Posted by Maestro Pistolero

No Warning? How long has this been in works? Who is responsible for these changes? I live in Nevada and I'm pretty active here. Perhaps I could make some calls. Sometimes these things can be head off early. Once implemented, and allowed to stand for a while it becomes much more difficult. LET'S MAKE SOME NOISE!

It doesn't matter to me personally as I have a NV and Utah permit. I just hate to see ground lost on reciprocity.

I'm particularly surprised by the no heads-up...despite very sad news, it would have been nice for a few months notice to allow for NV Permit arrangements!

[vladbutsky]

Disappointing...
But at least I managed to carry with my permit once in Las Vegas
I guess I would need to get CCW from Nevada now.

[Anthonysmanifesto]

Originally Posted by CaliforniaCarry

From NRA-ILA (http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=5001)

thanks for posting that- I was wondering about the veracity of the claim

[SCMA-1]

I hope they get it straightened out within a year; I have a year left on my Nevada permit and was planning on letting it lapse because of my Utah CFP's overlap. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

SCMA-1

[RomanDad]

Follow the money.

The way they used to do it meant you had to come to vegas for a few days (Hotel revenue at the very least) and pay the county for the fingerprints/pictures/ permit.... Im sure when they accepted Utah, all that went away.... I know I never renewed mine because it was too much hassle.

[SCMA-1]

Yeah, it's a real hassle because you couldn't even get everything done over a weekend. Your last day there has to be a weekday because the CCW unit isn't open on weekends. For renewals, I would drive up Saturday evening with my renewal class scheduled for Sunday. Monday morning, I would go to the CCW unit first thing in the morning, hopefully get out of there by noon and drive back to LA Monday afternoon. PITA.

SCMA-1

[mblat]

May be hundred or so Californians should get together on the Strip and make several "walk abouts" carrying openly....
It MAY persuade those in power to make such decision that it isn't the brightest idea.

[H2H]

bummer...

[coq]

Originally Posted by mblat

May be hundred or so Californians should get together on the Strip and make several "walk abouts" carrying openly....
It MAY persuade those in power to make such decision that it isn't the brightest idea.

Yeah. And don't go to the whorehouse this week.

[DRM6000]

thank goodness i read this thread. i'm going to vegas next week and was going to carry like i alway do with a utah ccw. saved me from trouble. thanks.

[Maestro Pistolero]

Originally Posted by vladbutsky

Disappointing...
But at least I managed to carry with my permit once in Las Vegas
I guess I would need to get CCW from Nevada now.

If it's any consolation, you can LOC, and you can have it loaded in your car with no special permit, just not concealed on your person. Still it sucks. I want to know how this happened so under the radar, so we don't miss something else. Where in the state government did the impetus come from? This is not a common attitude in NV.

[MP301]

Originally Posted by woodsman

WOW! They picked on Florida becasue the period is ( more than )5 years? Lame.

I dont think Florida got zapped because of the 7 year permit... Florida does not require demonstration of ability to shoot beyond the most minimum..you can send them almost anything with the app and it will suffice..