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Old 06-05-2005, 3:32 PM
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The Folsom Shooting Club, owners/operators of the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center - arguably the premier shooting facility in Norcal if not the state - www.sacvalley.org/ a club I am a member of, has decided to no no longer allow the CA DOJ to use it's facility for practice and training due to their support of gungrabbers. Our range relies on law enforcement agencies, mainly the California Dept of Corrections, for a large part of our revenue. So this is no small thing to do.

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Old 06-05-2005, 3:38 PM
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Excellent. This is what needs to happen. I hope more organizations and businesses flat out reject and refuse to do business with those that support the infringement on our rights.
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Superb! Thanks for sharing that!!
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Every gunstore, gun manufacturer, equipment supplier, and range should boycott all law enforcement sales and support.

It is us and them. We need to put pressure (legal/non violent) on every agency and officer until they beg us to do business with them.

We have the power. But, we don't use it. Pathetic.
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Old 06-05-2005, 4:25 PM
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The begging will only be listened to after the second ammendment is restored in California.
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Alright!!! That will get some attention.
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Simply Outstanding I applaud Sac valleys efforts and it makes me very proud to be a member. If more companies would make this stand and simply say "if you're going to make it hard for the public to own firearms then we aren't going to assist you in arming yourself against them" maybe the balance would shift.
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Excellent!!! Now that's what I'm talking about!!!
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Yes Sir ! Now that's what I call showing some rocks !
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As a non-resident of California, I'm delighted to see a group with enough rocks to stand up and tell the crooked politico's of our Nation to go blow!!!

I hope that it's OK, but I downloaded the image of this letter to my website and posted it in the "Unpopular Speech" section. If this isn't desired, please email me at dave at davestopher dot com.

Keep fighting the good fight!

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Old 06-05-2005, 8:26 PM
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Some folks with balls going on the offensive.
OUTSTANDING!!!!
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Good on them!
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Old 06-05-2005, 11:22 PM
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Simply awesome. I wonder if there will be a reply from those who received the letters. First Barrett Rifles and now SVSC. I hope this is only the beginning and that more companies follow suit!
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Mrtenx, just to be clear, this action should not be considered "going on the offensive". We are simply at this point weakly saying "stop" in the middle of our collective rape as gunowners. It is a small DEFENSIVE measure.

Gunowners have never been on the offensive in this state. That would take leadership which we don't have.

(blocking a punch is not offense)
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Old 06-06-2005, 9:14 AM
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About FREAKIN' time!!!!

Please post this up on other gun club's forums and other internet pro-gun forums such as thehighroad.org!
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Outstanding. Well written as well.
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Did the DOJ ever use this range, officially? I think this is a fantastic gesture, but it's probably an empty, meaningless one.

Even if they did use this range, they'll use this as an excuse to take tax dollars to build themselves a no-public-allowed range for themselves.
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I like the idea! I'm going to join and I don't care if I ever use their range. I'm going to support their actions with my money!
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Awesome!!!!

Don't forget to write letters and make phone calls of support to the range!!!

They need to know that they are not alone!!!
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I have written both US Optics (Buena Park), as well as Tactical Operations, Inc. (Beverly Hills) and notified them of the Folsom Shooting Club's decision and asked if they had any intent on boycotting the DOJ or LE agencies in a sign of support of their fellow community members. I suggest everyone else take a minute and do the same.

Also, can anyone think of any other manufacturers in California?

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Good, but I have to ask. Why didn't they do this when they started banning pistol grips in '89?
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I have written both US Optics (Buena Park), as well as Tactical Operations, Inc. (Beverly Hills) and notified them of the Folsom Shooting Club's decision and asked if they had any intent on boycotting the DOJ or LE agencies in a sign of support of their fellow community members. I suggest everyone else take a minute and do the same.

Also, can anyone think of any other manufacturers in California?

Bar-Sto Precision and EDM Arms are in So Cal.

We should ask our respective gun clubs to BAN ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT (not just the CA DOJ) from using their ranges as a training ground or for their pistol qualifications. We'll see how far that goes... I wonder how much revenue comes in from range rental by LEOs.
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Old 06-07-2005, 12:30 PM
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I have a better idea. Have all gun related business stop all services or sales to ANY government employee. They all get their paycheck from the same government that is stealing our rights.

Then, have all gun owners boycott any business that does not comply.

(kind of like "Unintended Consequences" without the violence).
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The Brady bunch is watching this thread....

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48548
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It is not just a matter of involving government organizations, but all firearms owners. I disagree with blanket bans of all government employees since many do not support these bad things and it would only serve to alienate and divide the pro(choice)-firearm side. Banning government employees while working or in an official capacity is a good idea if their departments support the anti-gun efforts.

I am a FFL and a while back I decided to change the fees that I charge, specifically I now charge the person more if they are not a member of a gun rights organization, any organization will do since some people don't like some due to politics.

If more businesses were to do this, then perhaps the people would be more informed and there would be more resources to fight cases like this.

It is funny in the article that the anti-gun types are annoyed, even to the point of claiming that this type of action is un-American and protecting the criminals, whereas the opposite is really true, so it must be getting to them. The fact is this action is VERY American, the freedom to choose and to express your opinion. This type of action also serves to protect citizens by allowing them to choose if they want to have a firearm for protection. The anti-gun crowd is the biggest protector of criminals as they create a safe working environment by taking away firearms from the law abiding citizens (aka victims).
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I would love to see the Sacramento Valley Shooting Center's reply to the Brady Bunch.

I'm probably going to donate some money or buy something from SVSC. That's pretty hard for a cheap skate like me. If only they were a bit closer I could justify a membership.
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Wow, I've never read an article from a "news source" that was so one-sided.

For those who are here because of the reference link in the US Newswire article, please understand the following. The article does not explain that having serialized ammunition will open up a huge black market of unserialized ammo. If people think unserialized ammunition can be controlled, let me remind you of how "easy" it is to control illegal street drugs in the US.

The article also did not address the possibility of someone taking someone else's used and "microstamped" cartridge cases from a shooting range to be left at a crime scene to "throw off" investigating officers. Or, criminals can just use revolvers, which do not eject their used cartridge cases. Furthermore, police departments throughout California will need substantially higher budgets to pay for the much more expensive serialized ammunition. I do not believe it is necessary for me to overtly remind the readers of who funds our local police departments. Lastly, where will funding for the database to track and log all the millions of rounds of ammunition come from?
We lawful gun enthusiasts would love to reduce crime and gun violence as well, that is why we abide by the laws in this state. However, we strongly believe these laws will definitely cause more harm than good.
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Old 06-08-2005, 2:38 PM
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Of course, these two bills have NOTHING to do with fighting crime, but is basically a backdoor ban on firearms ownership. That is right, it will NOT stop there. The gun grabbing idiots already started with "assault weapons," next will be bolt-action "sniper rifles" and then "big bore" shotguns.

If the gun-grabbing idiots want a particular class of gun banned, all they have to do is put a label it that will cause fear. Labels such as a "terrorist's gun of choice" ala .50BMG rifle or a "gangbanger's gun of choice" come to mind. The latter bull***** is probably what spurned the AW bans in 1989 and 1994.

Also, I've seen this Brady Bunch article on other Internet groups! Can someone forward this to Keepandbeararms.com?

I wonder if Cam Edwards of NRAnews.com got wind of this yet? I emailed him at his website: http://www.camedwards.com but no response.

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Well you know one thing? The fact that the Folsom Shooting Club has done this is a very good thing. The press release from the brady bunch has given us some insight into why an organization that is obvioulsy biased against gun ownership would even comment on it.

I think it works. I had my doubts, but now I know that the idea of boycotting those who support victim disarming state governments should be stepped up.

This is part of the news release:

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As the nation's largest, non-partisan, grassroots organization leading the fight to prevent gun violence, the Brady Campaign, working with its dedicated network of Million Mom March Chapters, is devoted to creating an America free from gun violence, where all Americans are safe at home, at school, at work, and in our communities
Sure thing. Our betters want us safe even if it kills us. They must be terrified of this boycott thing.
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Look here, this made it to the KeepAndBearArms.com website: http://keepandbeararms.com/news/nl/read_comments.asp?nl...40&tmpD=6%2F9%2F2005

What other gun forums has this story/article not been posted?
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The Brady bunch is watching this thread....

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=48548
On a related topic, how do we all feel about having anti's amist our forum? I am sure they either browse as guests or are registered users.

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I posted a link to this thread and the mentioned article on SIGforum.
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I find this quote so ironically hypocritical in ohhh so many ways:

"What's next - should police who support sensible gun laws have their firearms taken away? This is un-American, and these guys ought to have their heads examined," said Jim Brady, chair of the Brady Campaign."


Adding "un-American" to the mix just leaves me speechless!

by the way... I would trust Bill, delloro, Ramon the Admin, shooterx10 & a lot of you others that I've never met in person with guns before I'd trust those 13 L.A. County Sheriffs who shot-up Compton the other day! And my feelings on that subject are still a bit mixed.
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An interesting move not without risk BUT here in California I think a brave, bold and necessary one.

Things seem to be coming to an impasse regarding responsible and reasonable firearms legislation.

This State Legislature has transcended their remit and I think its beholden of us all to start taking a more aggressive stance (such as Sac Valley) as we have little hope of retaining our basic human rights in the corrupt Legislature.

It would be great to see other ranges and clubs extending this cession along with suppliers, and even manufacturers. Maybe we could extend it to all Law Enforcement Officers outside and including the DOJ whilst on-duty, perhaps that would be a large enough signal to the corrupt Legislature and Government apparatus to suspend their Un-American assault on our freedoms and liberty. Desperate times unfortunately oft call for desperate measures.

As for the Brady bunch, I welcome their involvement in this board BUT I doubt many of them could conjure a coherent argument or sustain a factual intelligent discourse for very long, you can only beguile reality for so long before it catches up with you.
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Ronnie Barrett did something very similar when he quit selling his guns to CA law enforcement agencies. I am still very much in awe of his personal committment to principle.
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Ronnie Barrett did something very similar when he quit selling his guns to CA law enforcement agencies. I am still very much in awe of his personal committment to principle.
Which is so ironic for me.

My #1 dream for when I came home from Iraq, was to purchase my own M107. I was one of 12 Designated Marksmen detailed for the security team at LSA Anaconda. My weapon of choice...the M107 .50 rifle built by Barrett. More than a few rounds were fired into the "bad ville" 1.5k outside the main gate.

But my Commander in Chief, the Governor of California, lied to me and signed new anti-gun (anti-freedom) legislation concerning the ownership of .50 BMG firearms. My dream of playing with, and owning the finest .50 out there, was pooped on. I am mad as hell to be lumped into the same catagory as terrorists and other criminals.

So...HOOAH to the Sac Valley Shooting Center for standing on freedoms principles!
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I find this quote so ironically hypocritical in ohhh so many ways:

"What's next - should police who support sensible gun laws have their firearms taken away? This is un-American, and these guys ought to have their heads examined," said Jim Brady, chair of the Brady Campaign."


Adding "un-American" to the mix just leaves me speechless!

by the way... I would trust Bill, delloro, Ramon the Admin, shooterx10 & a lot of you others that I've never met in person with guns before I'd trust those 13 L.A. County Sheriffs who shot-up Compton the other day! And my feelings on that subject are still a bit mixed.
Hypocritical too. Their next target after the populace is law enforcement. They have only grudgingly provided exemptions to LEO's so they could get endorsements from the agencies. The goal is to have off duty cops unarmed as well.
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Quote from the brady campaign:
"What's next - should police who support sensible gun laws have their firearms taken away? This is un-American, and these guys ought to have their heads examined," said Jim Brady, chair of the Brady Campaign.

It amazes me that calling this clubs freedom of chooice with whom they will do business with is called un-American by this organization. That is the key freedom that I love in this nation. Actually it ticks me off!

O.K. I am nowhere near Sacramento, but I am making a CHOICE to call them and get a membership there.

All of you, call and become members. Lets double their 1000 members capacity.
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I think it works. I had my doubts, but now I know that the idea of boycotting those who support victim disarming state governments should be stepped up.
I was at the Cow Palace gun show in Feb handing out flyers opposing the handgun ban in SF, and I thought about one action I would take if the ban were to pass. I would take out an ad in Shotgun News and ask every manufacturer, distributor, dealer, and wholesaler in the US to only sell to the city of San Francisco guns, ammunition, and magazines legal for sale to regular citizens. Now it seems that ad might be for the entire state of California. I envisioned this ad to be like Serbu's ad in SGN after AB50 was signed by Ahrnold. Then I got a dose of reality when I found out it would cost ~$700 for a half page ad. I might still run the ad, but I'll have to see how SB357 and AB352 plays out. If we can get out of state distributors, dealers, and manufacturers to realize how much the gun control crowd has destroyed the 2nd amendment here in CA and that the rest of the country is next, maybe they would be willing to give up some short-term sales profits for long-term gains in protecting our rights. Not only here in CA but in the entire country.
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