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Old 06-21-2009, 11:45 PM
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Well, my brother and I made some OC videos for people to become more efficiently informed about their civil rights and the laws here in CA. As of this posting there are two more videos that will be added to the playlist so please check back sometime tomorrow to see them (last one is rather funny )

Just FYI, I am planning to make more videos about a wide range of topics and drawing on the collective experience and knowledge of the local San Diego guys. Also, the video editing will be getting better soon!

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Just watched them all EXCELLENT work as usual Pullnshoot & elsensei!!!

There is TONS of really GREAT info on dealing with LEO interaction on the vids. I think a sticky is in order for this thread!!!
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Just got up the last two videos. Here is the link again!

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_lis...DFD99BEFA7E9CB
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Great job!, looks like you were falling asleep there for a second! haha
great videos again, ill be sure to pass this on to everyone i know.

ps is your friend Steve Young?.. jk
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The only thing I noticed in Cali 1 (1/2) is that your brother says it is a crime to lie to a police officer. IIRC, it is only a crime to lie to Federal officers and police WHEN they are in the course of an actual criminal investigation.

Simply asking a question during a consensual encounter you are allowed to lie or mislead all you desire.

Soon I would like to help you all in these, perhaps in the capacity of script writing? You two seem pretty eloquent and well spoken, but having a script will make these a lot smother and more informative.
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Video, script editing, this kind of help could make these worth putting on DVD for sale!
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Has anyone considered printing the P.C. related to UOC and other relevant info such as amendments etc on shirts to wear while carrying?
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great vids, looks like you spent a lot of time on them. I 5-starred/"favorites''ed all of them, hopefully that'll get them seen more.

I'll watch all of them when I get a chance.
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The content is excellent. Nice job, we are indebted.
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Great vids, Thank you!

The only thing I could ask for is to keep the text up on the screen a little longer, in order to give the viewer a bit more time to read what you've written.
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Just watched them all... Good stuff.

"Why are you carrying?"

"For a gang initiation"... ha ha ha ha!
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Hands out of your pockets when filming!!
Good work guys, I agree, find some locals who can help with scripts, editing, etc, and these could be really useful videos. You may also break it up into specific topics, keep them short, don't change topics during a video. Turn off the cell phones during filming (just heard that lol... )
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good job,you guys are always hard at work in preserving our rights
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Don't tug at your crotch either N8!

I watched most all of them and agree that they were pretty well done and there is only slight room for improvement. Great job otherwise.
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LOL! Otherwise known as "Air Force Gloves"

Nice job. Every LEO and DA in CA should watch these vids.
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Great point about the loaded mag needing to be exposed also. Thanks.
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Don't tug at your crotch either N8!

I watched most all of them and agree that they were pretty well done and there is only slight room for improvement. Great job otherwise.
Junk needed readjustment I guess.... hehe
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kinda funny and not total correct according to our current city attorney.
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Gr8 Job N8!

I'm not an open carry guy, but I do admire and respect both your knowledge, and tenacity.

You and your brother did a fine job. Additionally, I will be watching those VIDs again and again as they are very informative.

May I suggest a couple things, if you don't mind. Not knockin' you guys okay... just constructive criticism.

Need only work on the 'ums', and the 'uhs'... it's tough, I know... takes practice.

Don't fold your arms when on camera. Folding of the arms is a body language signal that you are closed off to whomever you are conversing with... it's a negative signal that indicates you are not interested.

Keep your hands at your side, or move them in subtle expression as you speak. Watch pitchmen, or talk show hosts on TV, and their 'method of delivery' as an example. And what bigcalidave said, 'keep your hands out of your pockets'.

On a positive note, I did however like the fact that you are not canned... you have a very genuine style and delivery of material. Do not lose this honest style the two of you have. This is by far your BEST quality.

I like that you kept your dog in the VID, shows a very human side of both you, and your brother. Your dog sure didn't like it when your brother pointed that [inoperative] gun at you... sure is a protective little feller aint he!

Anyway, thank you for reading... thank you for your hard work! You guys are AWESOME!!!
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kinda funny and not total correct according to our current city attorney.
What is not correct?

Does the city attorney have to know the law or are they covered by immunity as the police are?
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Thanks for the suggestions. Our next go-round will be better. I agree on the uhs and ums...we didn't have a script or anything and we were kind of in a hurry to get them up. Future efforts will be better. And I have some more ideas for more "man in the street" types of vids...especially since I have this new cool Webbie camera.

The dog is actually mine, not n8s. she just doesn't like any kind of aggressiveness. Still pretty funny to watch her wig out. She's super smart...if I ask her "do you want a beating?" she does the same thing. How does she know what a "beating" is if she's never been beaten?

again, thanks for the suggestions.

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Gr8 Job N8!

I'm not an open carry guy, but I do admire and respect both your knowledge, and tenacity.

You and your brother did a fine job. Additionally, I will be watching those VIDs again and again as they are very informative.

May I suggest a couple things, if you don't mind. Not knockin' you guys okay... just constructive criticism.

Need only work on the 'ums', and the 'uhs'... it's tough, I know... takes practice.

Don't fold your arms when on camera. Folding of the arms is a body language signal that you are closed off to whomever you are conversing with... it's a negative signal that indicates you are not interested.

Keep your hands at your side, or move them in subtle expression as you speak. Watch pitchmen, or talk show hosts on TV, and their 'method of delivery' as an example. And what bigcalidave said, 'keep your hands out of your pockets'.

On a positive note, I did however like the fact that you are not canned... you have a very genuine style and delivery of material. Do not lose this honest style the two of you have. This is by far your BEST quality.

I like that you kept your dog in the VID, shows a very human side of both you, and your brother. Your dog sure didn't like it when your brother pointed that [inoperative] gun at you... sure is a protective little feller aint he!

Anyway, thank you for reading... thank you for your hard work! You guys are AWESOME!!!
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Will watch the vids when I get some time. Just wanted to say thanks for making them.

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What is not correct?

Does the city attorney have to know the law or are they covered by immunity as the police are?
Silly goose. Almost everyone in government is immune from whatever laws they break!

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The dog is actually mine, not n8s. she just doesn't like any kind of aggressiveness. Still pretty funny to watch her wig out. She's super smart...if I ask her "do you want a beating?" she does the same thing. How does she know what a "beating" is if she's never been beaten?
Next phone call you get, say "the beatings will continue until morale improves!" and hang up forcefully. See if she shakes her head and whines.

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Junk needed readjustment I guess.... hehe
Kinda gives new meaning to your user name.
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Man, youtube is blocked at my work. I'm looking forward to seeing the video after all of the great comments.

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I understand not talking to the police under the detainment circumstance (as shown in the video when the cop asks if the weapon is loaded or if there is retention on the holster). I dont really see the harm in saying "Its not loaded" when truthful or "There is retention".

How about in the wacky circumstance where you have attached the handgun to yourself with a locking device.. What if you put a chain through the gun and handcuff it to yourself, so you know, it's not taken away from you... I wonder if there's a law against that.
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Good job guys. I can't remember the pc off the top of my head but on the comment section on youtube someone said it is illegal to ask you to do a sobriety check. They are right and wrong. You can refuse the field sobriety check but you cannot legally refuse to have a breathalizer or blood alcohol test done. If you do it is grounds for arrest. I will have to do some digging in my pc book tonight if I get the chance.
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I understand not talking to the police under the detainment circumstance (as shown in the video when the cop asks if the weapon is loaded or if there is retention on the holster). I dont really see the harm in saying "Its not loaded" when truthful or "There is retention".

How about in the wacky circumstance where you have attached the handgun to yourself with a locking device.. What if you put a chain through the gun and handcuff it to yourself, so you know, it's not taken away from you... I wonder if there's a law against that.
They have the authority to SEARCH, not to find. They are going to run the 12031 check regardless so let them find out if the weapon is loaded or not. Also, if they are going to check it, why help them extract it? Being silent is not a crime, nor is not helping the police search you.

I have come upon hte situation where police asked me if my gun was loaded and I said "Yes" because I thought they asked me if it was UNloaded. That leads to just a bunch of problems, including but not limited to cops acting like bigger idiots than most of them are inclined to act like.
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I dont really see the harm in saying "Its not loaded" when truthful or "There is retention".
Can you imagine if a cop pulled the trigger while trying to remove a weapon form a retention holster? Obviously you would never carry loaded in CA but to see the look on his face when he hears the hammer fall would be worth a million dollars. (well maybe a few grand)
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Just watched up to video 4, nice job so far guys! Will watch the rest a little later.
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Can you imagine if a cop pulled the trigger while trying to remove a weapon form a retention holster? Obviously you would never carry loaded in CA but to see the look on his face when he hears the hammer fall would be worth a million dollars. (well maybe a few grand)
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Yes that makes sense. You know what I enjoy doing? I TiVo "Cops" and other shows along the same lines, and watch how the police pull someone over, and ask questions that the criminals end up answering to their own demise. I was just watching one tonight where a guy was pulled over for simply turning left and ending up in the center lane instead of the left lane (like we all do). The cop goes up to the window and lets him know what he saw. The cop then asks, "Do you have any guns, knives, missiles, bazookas, in the car?" "No, sir, I don't". Cop says, "Mind if I have a look?" The driver says, "No" Who knows if he meant "no, you cant get in" or "no you can't search." Cop gets the guy out of the car, then opens up the center console to find a loaded gun. Driver goes to jail. Always interesting to watch these types of interactions on TV when the police obey the rules as the cameras are on.

Of course, in your situation, where the camera crew isn't following them around, the police probably don't behave the same way...

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They have the authority to SEARCH, not to find. They are going to run the 12031 check regardless so let them find out if the weapon is loaded or not. Also, if they are going to check it, why help them extract it? Being silent is not a crime, nor is not helping the police search you.

I have come upon hte situation where police asked me if my gun was loaded and I said "Yes" because I thought they asked me if it was UNloaded. That leads to just a bunch of problems, including but not limited to cops acting like bigger idiots than most of them are inclined to act like.
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Elsensei, you and Nate are awesome. Just out of curiousity, if my goal was to open carry without getting stopped, would locking the slide back do the trick?

So, does a Glock with the slide locked back eliminate the 12031 stop? Or, would they do it anyway?
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Cop says, "Mind if I have a look?" The driver says, "No" Who knows if he meant "no, you cant get in" or "no you can't search."
Consent searches can be revoked by an unequivocal act or statement of withdrawal, except if the officer has already had time to develop reasonable suspicion or probable cause.

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Originally Posted by GJJ View Post
Elsensei, you and Nate are awesome. Just out of curiousity, if my goal was to open carry without getting stopped, would locking the slide back do the trick?

So, does a Glock with the slide locked back eliminate the 12031 stop? Or, would they do it anyway?
This is CA and you will generally get stopped regardless of what you do. Personally, I like to keep my weapon looking like it is ready to function.

As for the slide being locked back, it sorta depends on the cop. The slide locked back won't preclude the 12031 check but will give reason for a cop not to molest you. SOneThreeCoupe had that happen to him (slide locked back and the cop just looked and left.)
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