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Old 06-17-2009, 8:09 PM
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Default Remember KT Ordanance's screw together lower reciever?

Some of you probably remember that KT had a lower reciever that screwed together. Well the feds didn't like it very much and raided their shop. Well I ordered one just a few days before that happened. I was notified that they would have to go through courts and depending on the outcome I would either get a refund or a product. Well it's been a couple years but I finally got it. It is different from their original design though, they had to make the feds happy. Here's a few pics.










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It looks like you would have been just as well off with an 80%. There is still no fcg pocket and mag catch button hole.

ETA: I see there is a mag catch button hole. I was on my phone when viewing pics.

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WHAT IS THAT? I'm curiously interested. Clearly it needs final machining, but just the idea of a screw together receiver is neato.
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It looks like you would have been just as well off with an 80%. There is still no fcg pocket and mag catch button hole.
The mag catch and bolt release holes appear to be there but the selector, hammer pin, and trigger holes all need to be drilled as well as the pocket for all of that stuff to sit it. Aside from that it surely is a neato looking set up.
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Intriguing. But what are the advantages ?

my first thought was.."how do I make this NOT come apart"... Good use of locktite.
The advantages are that you can have different 'front ends' so you can go from .223 to 308
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So what part of that thing gets the serial number stamped on it? What part is considered "the gun"?
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Sure looks like the mgi concept just 80%.
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The advantages are that you can have different 'front ends' so you can go from .223 to 308
Not real sure on that.



It's been so long I can't really remember exactly how the first design was done. But I think originally all you had to do was tap the holes and screw it together and it was done. I guess thats why the feds weren't real happy with it. I'm not sure if I would buy this today if I was looking for a build, but at the time it was just what I was looking for. All I needed to do was tap a few holes and I had a lower. This one is going to require a little more work but that's cool, I also have a standard 80% that I'm working on. All in all this thing is pretty neat and I'm glad I finally got it.
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Not real sure on that.



It's been so long I can't really remember exactly how the first design was done. But I think originally all you had to do was tap the holes and screw it together and it was done. I guess thats why the feds weren't real happy with it. I'm not sure if I would buy this today if I was looking for a build, but at the time it was just what I was looking for. All I needed to do was tap a few holes and I had a lower. This one is going to require a little more work but that's cool, I also have a standard 80% that I'm working on. All in all this thing is pretty neat and I'm glad I finally got it.
The first design was suppose to accomodate different frontends.. dates back 5yrs now I believe.....I remember looking at the pics of it on the Homegunsmithing forum back then.
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so is kt back in business again? part of their problem stemmed from hosting build parties at the factory, using factory equipment. that and being publicly outspoken against atf make them a priority target. mattews did a tutorial years back in SGN right before their legal problems arose.
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I helped a guy put a couple of these together a couple years ago.
It would not be possible to change the front end without also changing the sideplates.
At that point, you would also need to change the rear block to accomodate the larger upper reciever.
I don't think ANY piece of this could actually be used to sucessfully make a 308.
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I would love to see some sideplates for that baby that will acomodate greasegun mags or Glock 21 mags so you could have an industrial looking AR45
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I helped a guy put a couple of these together a couple years ago.
It would not be possible to change the front end without also changing the sideplates.
At that point, you would also need to change the rear block to accomodate the larger upper reciever.
I don't think ANY piece of this could actually be used to sucessfully make a 308.
You're right..... the KT-15-B is different from another screw to gether build I was thinking of......
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Was that one cheaper than the normal 80%?
Its just about the same amount of work right?
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Wow, that is awesome. Never heard of that.

I want one just cuz... that's good enough of a reason for me.
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Was that one cheaper than the normal 80%?
Its just about the same amount of work right?

No it wasn't cheaper, but the one that I originally ordered didn't require any machining. I'm pretty sure all you had to do was tap 6 holes and it was done.
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so is kt back in business again? part of their problem stemmed from hosting build parties at the factory, using factory equipment. that and being publicly outspoken against atf make them a priority target. mattews did a tutorial years back in SGN right before their legal problems arose.
I didn't know they were completely out of buisness, I just thought they couldn't sell this particular lower. Their site has been going since the raid.
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last i checked their site was up with nothing for sale. i'll have to check that out. they were also the go to place for 80% 1911 tools. my understanding was they were shut down until the legal case was settled. the website still listed everything, you just couldn't buy it. as i'm a ca native of over 50 yrs., i had fully embraced THAT concept.
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Good to see they aren't in trouble anymore. I would love to get one of there ar-10 lowers.
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it's true, the biggest selling point of the original KT-15B was that it was bolt-together and only required drilling a few holes. the FCG packet was formed by the space left between all the plates when they were assembled. that's part of why BATF didn't like them. recent BATF regs mandate that the FCG pocket be completely absent. as such, the new KT-15B is about as hard as any other 80% to finish. as mentioned, the modularity may offer some benefit, however.
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I'm trying to be creative here...

OK, now this is way ghetto, but since the side plates will hold the trigger/hammer pins, can't you just cut away the FCG pocket by using a saw on the middle piece? That would allow you to machine it without the use of any special tooling.

Or is there something complicating that plan?
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I'm trying to be creative here...

OK, now this is way ghetto, but since the side plates will hold the trigger/hammer pins, can't you just cut away the FCG pocket by using a saw on the middle piece? That would allow you to machine it without the use of any special tooling.

Or is there something complicating that plan?
yes, that's the idea. it IS somewhat easier than milling out a blind pocket in a normal 80% lower.... but not by anywhere near as much as the original KT-15B was...
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weird...never seen this before. I wonder how fitment and tolerance will be?
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yes, that's the idea. it IS somewhat easier than milling out a blind pocket in a normal 80% lower.... but not by anywhere near as much as the original KT-15B was...
True, but still much easier than other (current) 80%'s.

Do they provide anything to locate the trigger/hammer pin holes?
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they're still trying to get all the confiscated guns back.
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True, but still much easier than other (current) 80%'s.
guess i just don't think those are that hard
and actually cutting/sawing the FCG out of the center section of the bolt-together isn't quite a piece of cake for folks w/ minimal tooling and experience, but yes, it is easier for many than the other option, and i kind of understated that in my first post..

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BATF says (now) that any dimples or starting marks are considered the same as finished holes (lame, i know) so no, there are none on the parts themselves (the old version had them). but if the bolted-up lower fits in a jig then that part would be easy. not sure what overall width and profile look like, that would be the determining factor for most jigs.
if an existing jig won't work and a new one doesn't come along, folks will be stuck measuring (which like anything else isn't all that tough with the right equipment and some care... but a jig makes it relatively simple and anxiety-free).
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they're still trying to get all the confiscated guns back.
yup.
Richard seems to be muddling through it. Hopefully he will have less headaches from here out, toeing the line a little more faithfully will no doubt help.
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Do they provide anything to locate the trigger/hammer pin holes?
The originals were center drilled so all you had to do was follow the detent through with the right sized drill bit!
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Richard posted this over at Homegunsmith just today- looks like he got a little Father's Day "present" from the Feds:

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Well, it's over. They are returning most of my stuff next week to my lawyer's office.

They have dropped all criminal investigations.

No apology, no payment of legal bills. Just, were do you want your stuff dropped off.

They are keeping all the 80% frames because they are "firearms", but they are returning other "firearms", go figure?

It is theft, and a multiple violation of 18 USC secs. 241 and 242.

But we are back in business with BATFE's "blessings".

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One of my biggest regrets is not buying one of those first generation bolt together KT ordinance 80% lowers...

If anyone happens to have one they never got around to working on let me know.... I loved the look of the old one but I don't much care for this new one.
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