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Old 06-06-2009, 5:06 PM
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Default CCI Stingers vs The Yellow Pages (Phonebook Wars II) With surprise!

First off - Sorry this took so long. For my first experiment I shot some phone books with plain 'ol Remington Golden Bullets. Well, some of you phonebook violence lovers were still thirsty for blood, and wanted to know how Stingers would react.

I myself, being an anti-gun pacifist type, was against the idea, but the phonebook haters prevailed, and I caved to the pressure.

Would the penetration of the lighter, faster, Stinger embarrass the golden bullet? Would the phonebook get up and dodge the shot out of pure fear? Would anyone care? Find out below.

First, the books:
As you can see, I was smart enough to use a tape measure this time, and I had 6 inches of phonebook on hand.



The Gun:

My trusty 617 4" 10 Shot. Now sporting new wood grips. Granted, these won't make the bullet more of a killer - but they are pretty aren't they?



The Cartridge:
CCI Stingers. 32 Grain, with a slightly longer casing than the normal .22LR.



Let the shooting begin......

The Entrance Wound:
Notice the stipling (tiny little burn mark dots) effect across a three inch or so circle on the front cover.



300 Pages In: (about half an inch)
Sorry State Senator Ackerman - pure coincidence



CONTINUED IN NEXT POST
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Page 813:
Just like last time, the "wound" track continues to widen. I REALLY don't want to get shot with a .22 The total damage is right at 2 inches wide here.





Page 1013:

I made sure to have the number showing in the top right corner for proof. But hey, wait a second....... what is that gray blob?



A Closer Look:
Hey, that's the bullet! - recovered weight - 1.95 grams, or right at 30 grains.






But wait, there's more!:


Even though the bullet stopped, the energy, or chi, or spirit, or whatever of the bullet continued to travel 150 or so more pages and ripped through the back cover of the book!



Conclusion:

Stingers are lighter, Stingers are faster, but the penetrate about the same as regular old .22 Hollowpoints. BUT, they do expand quite a bit more. Check out the pics from last time if you don't believe.

What have we learned?

.22s are freaking dangerous. No one NEEDS this kind of power, and phonebooks don't need to suffer needlessly. Clearly, .22 LR should be banned. Won't someone think of the children?
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Thought I was done? HA! Not at all.

This whole thing got me thinking. What about a PELLET GUN!

I found my very fist pellet gun, which I moronically forgot to take a picture of. It is a model of a Colt 1911A1, and I bought it around 1990 I think. I remember it being rated as shooting a .177 pellet a whopping 400 fps!

What can a pellet do to a phonebook? (And not just any pellet mind you, but a cop killing pointy one)

I'll give you the answer. Not Much.

The Pellets:
Yeah, that's right. Daisy. Cause that's how I roll.



The Entrance "wound":
Its there, look harder.



The Recovered Pellet:
ONE Page IN!!!!!




Conclusion: If you need to put a hit out on a phonebook - don't get a pellet gun.
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cool thank good info
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Old 06-06-2009, 5:36 PM
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HA HA!!!! Friggin' GRRRREAT write up, man!!!!!! As my journalism professor used to say to me : "ACE reporting, my boy! ACE reporting. You got the scoop." Excellent visuals with clear explanation. Perfect amount of humor in there for icing on the cake. Very impressive.

(p.s.- in the print between photos where you are discussing 'the gun,'...........you need to go back and proofread just a tad.)

(p.p.s.- the only thing I would have added would have been a picture of the Stinger cartridge next to the Remington for comparison/reference.)
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Great job! I read your first piece and was surprised that the Stingers didn't out-penetrate the Golden Bullets. I've shot both and the recoil from the Stinger was noticeably stronger than the Golden Bullet. (Yeah, I know that they are both .22's. Pay attention next time you shoot. It's there.)

I am also pleasantly surprised by the pellet gun result. I have considered getting an airsoft gun as a practice piece since real ammo costs so much. It's good to know that a phone book is overkill for a backstop.

FYI: I was doing some reading about pellet guns and airsoft and 400fps is considered the max safe velocity FOR OUTDOOR USE. For indoors, they recommend a max of 350fps. (And some airsoft parks enforce those limits.) So, it's good to know that even a more powerful pellet gun, like the 1911A1 that you have, won't really do any physical damage.
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Thanks for the write up. Interesting stuff. I'd be interested in seeing what Aguilia Interceptors could do. 170fps slower than Stingers, but 8gr heavier.

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...233&hasJS=true
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Cool pictures and write up. I wonder what the difference would be shot out of a rifle.
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Cool pictures and write up. I wonder what the difference would be shot out of a rifle.
Oh no.

Now I gotta do this again? Guess I'll get my rifle out of the safe and cleaned up.


Note: I'm not passing judgement on the Stingers. Just cause they penetrate the same in a phonebook does not mean they won't massacre a squirrel harder than a normal .22 does.
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hahahaha.....great info, read and entertainment!
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Stingers have slower burning powder than typical 22lr rounds. That is why they have the cool muzzle flash from handguns. They are meant to be shot from rifles that can take advantage of the slower burning powder so you wont see a huge increase in performance out of anything with a short barrel.

They sure are cool to shoot out of the handguns though. I love to shoot em out of my buckmark.
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Wouldn't soaked phone books be a better representative?

Still nifty though. I wouldn't want to get shot with anything.
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You guys should see what a .22 15 grain pellet at 655fps does to a phone book... maybe if I have time later.
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Weigh the stinger to see if it the piece you found was the whole thing.
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Great writeup. This is post of the year type material.
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The "Book O' Truth!". Great stuff. Thanks.
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Weigh the stinger to see if it the piece you found was the whole thing.

I did that last time, and forgot to this time. I will do that when I get home and post it up.
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Bravo!

Now on to the rifles.
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Good and fun!


Please continue...
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