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Old 06-22-2005, 3:41 PM
chunger chunger is offline
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I know people have tried to organize rallies, protests, etc. To very little impact. I was wondering if it would be feasible to try a different approach from the business sector.

Has anyone ever tried to organize a campaign to support any handgun manufacturer who is willing to publically stop sales and support to California government agencies due to the passing of bills like SB 357 and AB 352.

So, I'm thinking something like this. ..

1. Get a bunch of folks together who will commit to purchasing a new handgun from any manufacturer who steps up. 5 or 10, or 1000 folks. (deposit of some kind?)

2. Get an FFL or groups of FFL's to come on board with the cause and donate a real decent price to incentive gun-enthusiasts. . . something concrete like 5% above cost?

3. Then, let's say hypothetically, a gun manufacturer decides to step up and take action. . . we would all immediately go out and buy a handgun from that manufacturer through an FFL in step 2.

So, in this scenario, we get to attempt to apply pressure on the state government by doing what we like to do anyways. . . purchase handguns. The manufacturer gets the benefit of broadening their market in California (I figure I will be buying a gun I may not otherwise have considered). It would really sweeten the deal if we were able to get enough private citizens onboard to match the gun manufacturer's annual police/state agency sales numbers. The FFL and the manufacturer will recieve positive publicity and hopefully broad support from the gun-owning community and hopefully will increase their regular sales because of this.

OK tear my idiotic idea apart I'm thinking I'm going to at least write the manufacturers and tell them I will buy a gun from them if they do this. . . I'm not rich, so if 4 of them all step up, I'm going to be buying a lot of guns and the poor piggy bank is going to be hurting for a while. I think if the gun clubs I am a member of are not applying pressure in the right places. .. I would like to apply my dollars towards something that would benefit like-minded and concerned industry folks, state policy, and myself. . . all at the same time.

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Old 06-22-2005, 4:37 PM
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I have mixed emotions about this.

While I applaud what Ronnie Barrett did; his action was directed at the City of LA.

This can come off as gunowners being against police officers.

Most police officers are our friends and are sympathetic to our cause. I'm not going to come out in favor of alienating them.

We essentially have to make the argument that:

When labor laws are proposed they confer with AFL/CIO.

Environmental laws...they confer with businesses and environmental groups.

Education reform: Educators.

And so on.

Let's put forth that if they want meaningful legislation it would behoove them to work with us rather than against us.

Sooner or later, the rest of us will move out of this suckhole and invest our money and talents in a free state that trusts us with our own arms and money....Texas is experiencing an IT Boom right now that makes California's look pitiful.

I think you're on the right track...just not comfortable with alienating the coppers.
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Old 06-22-2005, 5:52 PM
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Hmmm. . .

Yeah. I can see how this plan would be percieved as anti-police officer on the street. Any way to revise the plan to not do that as severely?

Are there any LEO's on the forum who can give comment?

I do think that it would be an ideal environment to have policy makers in close communication with the shooting/gun-owning community, but such has not been the case, and I believe things have gotten to the point of being forced to do something because policy makers are blatantly attacking constitutional rights unhindered. By 2006, we will not be able to have any new gun models that do not have a Mag-disconnect safety. This puts more than 90% of new handgun models out of our reach. Perfectly safe ones. If the pace of policy does not slow or reverse, in my lifetime, we will not be able to own handguns legally.

If it is socialist-rooted ideals and methods that are driving this movement to disarm the law-abiding populace, why not use capitalist-rooted ideals and methods to push back?

We can try to channel the tendencies of corporate America whether good or bad to our mutual advantage.

they like getting short-term increases in sales. . . offer them a good increase

They like expanding their markets. .. give them the opportunity and free publicity

They ultimately would like the opportunity to do future business in our state. . . if we work together, we can influence that.

Can this be done at this point without alienating cops? If so, let's talk about it. . .if not, let's talk about the realities of the alienating.

I really love California, and am one who will stick it out and try to change things. I'm not looking down on anyone for getting out 'cause things are getting pretty bad here, and on top of that, living costs are through the roof, but if we do have geographic areas of strength (Texas, Arizona, etc.) we need to expand out from there to areas that are hurting (California, Maryland) If instead of exporting all of our gun-friendly people, we import them, we might be able to build some more strong areas inside California like Orange County. If we all leave, the anti's have won. I want to be one of those pesky people they can't get rid of. . .and live in the middle of liberal-land so I can dialog with people who have heard propoganda their entire lives about guns and gun ownership.
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Old 06-23-2005, 5:17 AM
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Who cares about being anti-police? The gov't steals my money and my rights. The police are part of the gov't. They enforce laws contrary to the constitution.

I would never work for something as evil as the California gov't based on the things they do to innocent people.
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Old 06-23-2005, 8:31 AM
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Screw the Police. Don't believe the B.S. that most cops are on our side. The cops are on the side that there chief tells them to be on.

There was a time that police officers were "Peace Officers" there job was to keep the peace, they had a wide latitude of discussion.
Today police officers are "Law Enforcement Officers" You broke the law, you are going to be arrested. No discussion allowed. The "Cops" today are ROBOTS.
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