Calguns.net  

Home My iTrader Join the NRA Donate to CGSSA Sponsors CGN Google Search
CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart CA Handgun Ban ID Flowchart CA Shotgun Ban ID Flowchart
Go Back   Calguns.net > SPECIALTY FORUMS > FFL's Forum
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

FFL's Forum For open discussion between FFLs and polite questions for FFLs.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-11-2009, 8:09 PM
eltee's Avatar
eltee eltee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: West of the Rockies, USA
Posts: 835
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Question Driver's Licenses, Scan or Photocopy?

I know that some small dealers do not scan the DL during the DROS process, they make a copy and enter the info during the DROS submission. What determines which dealers scan, and which take photocopies?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-11-2009, 8:50 PM
rbetts's Avatar
rbetts rbetts is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 896
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

I am a small dealer. I use the latest technology available to me to keep costs down, but with driver's licenses, I do both. I want a color copy of it so I can make sure that the person who comes to pick up the firearm is the very same who DROS'd it. In the very few weeks I've been open, I done over 60 transactions and as such can lose track very easy.

The Scan saves me mega time when with a customer and having 4 others in wait.

It's very easy and safer to have both IMHO.
__________________


Golden State Tactical <---click here or Here--->Golden State Tactical Store

An Outpost Deep In the Heart of the Beast! Home of "California Compliant" AR15 Parts and Magazines and some of the lowest priced guns in the state!!!
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-11-2009, 9:04 PM
OCArmory's Avatar
OCArmory OCArmory is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 830
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

If you are talking about swiping it through the card reader. I thought it was required. I still make a photocopy for every DROS. It's easier if I missing some info.
Mike
__________________
OC Armory
23012 Del Lago Dr.
Suite B
Laguna Hills, CA 92653
(949)768-5189
www.ocarmory.com
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-11-2009, 9:14 PM
ke6guj's Avatar
ke6guj ke6guj is offline
Moderator
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: 909
Posts: 23,103
iTrader: 42 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OCArmory View Post
If you are talking about swiping it through the card reader. I thought it was required. I still make a photocopy for every DROS. It's easier if I missing some info.
Mike
CADOJ FAQ:

Quote:
How can I comply with the requirement to capture the purchaser's DMV information using a magnetic card swipe reader if the reader malfunctions or the stripe on the back of the card is defective?

If your DOJ-issued magnetic card swipe reader malfunctions or if the purchaser's DMV card's magnetic stripe is defective, you may manually enter the information using your keyboard. Additionally, you must retain a photocopy of the purchaser's DMV card along with the original DROS.

top

Why do I have to swipe the card prior to delivery of a firearm sold at a gun show instead of making a photocopy of the purchaser's DMV card as discussed in the answer to question number two?

Penal Code section 12077(f)(2) specifically authorizes dealer's to obtain a photocopy of the purchaser's DMV card in the event the card cannot be swiped through the reader due to technical limitations. However, there exist no statutory/legal exemption from this requirement for transactions that occur at gun shows
.
__________________
Jack



Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

FrontSight Training Course certificates available $25, PM for details on them and other options.
No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-12-2009, 6:38 AM
eltee's Avatar
eltee eltee is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: West of the Rockies, USA
Posts: 835
iTrader: 2 / 100%
Default

OK, from what I see dealers can do either (scan or photocopy) or both. Just not crazy about leaving copies of a license with every purchase. One guy I know does not scan, he just copies the license and keeps it with the other docs.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-12-2009, 7:17 AM
scr83jp scr83jp is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: S.Cal
Posts: 679
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I've stopped lots of merchants from scanning my DL and told them they can only take a copy of it.There's way too much personal info they don't need to know & have access to in these days of identity theft ,PC 459's and PC 213's .
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-12-2009, 8:11 PM
OCArmory's Avatar
OCArmory OCArmory is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 830
iTrader: 13 / 100%
Default

The way I read it was I had to make an attempt to swipe it. If that doesn't work than a photocopy will suffice.
Mike
__________________
OC Armory
23012 Del Lago Dr.
Suite B
Laguna Hills, CA 92653
(949)768-5189
www.ocarmory.com
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-12-2009, 8:33 PM
remington's Avatar
remington remington is offline
Vendor/Retailer
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Corona
Posts: 630
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OCArmory View Post
The way I read it was I had to make an attempt to swipe it. If that doesn't work than a photocopy will suffice.
Mike
Thats what my DOJ inspector said a few weeks ago. He said alot of the card readers dont work and said copying was fine.
__________________

Corona, Ca
NRA Life Member
FFL




Gun Control is like treating the symptom, not the disease. Gun laws only restrict people who obey the law.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 05-17-2009, 9:35 PM
rbetts's Avatar
rbetts rbetts is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
CGN Contributor - Lifetime
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 896
iTrader: 7 / 100%
Default

When you are at my shop,you get to watch the scanned driver's license populate the fields. The info on the DL mag strip is exactly the same info that is on the front. We have to fill in the rest by hand. I scan and copy as there is no need for you or I to wait while you or I type the info in. The magstrip is there for convenience only. All other ideas of why the state has it is just plain
__________________


Golden State Tactical <---click here or Here--->Golden State Tactical Store

An Outpost Deep In the Heart of the Beast! Home of "California Compliant" AR15 Parts and Magazines and some of the lowest priced guns in the state!!!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 05-20-2009, 3:07 PM
WFAInc's Avatar
WFAInc WFAInc is offline
CGN/CGSSA Contributor
CGN Contributor
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Bell
Posts: 97
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Default

I swipe and copy also. I swipe when I do the DROS, and the copy stays with my records.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 05-22-2009, 11:32 AM
gdict's Avatar
gdict gdict is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 358
iTrader: 18 / 100%
Default

swipe AND copy everytime. There's no such thing as too much documentation when it comes to dealer records and retaining your licenses.

There's no way for DOJ to know if you swiped or not since the card reader is simply a form of keyboard that enters data contained on the mag-stripe. The data on that stripe is merely an electronic form of what is printed on the front. No more. So no identity theft fears...
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 05-22-2009, 11:36 AM
PolishMike's Avatar
PolishMike PolishMike is offline
Calguns Addict
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Tracy
Posts: 5,688
iTrader: 24 / 96%
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by scr83jp View Post
I've stopped lots of merchants from scanning my DL and told them they can only take a copy of it.There's way too much personal info they don't need to know & have access to in these days of identity theft ,PC 459's and PC 213's .

Haha, I sure would give you a funny look.


Same **** is on the front. If you don't let me scan it then I have to manually enter all of it. Would you rather just have me scan it and not even notice whats on it, or type every last digit in?
__________________
Tracy Rifle and Pistol
7601 W 11th St
Tracy Ca 95304
209 833-9100
For sales Questions please email Sales@tracyrifleandpistol.com
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:41 PM.




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Proudly hosted by GeoVario the Premier 2A host.
Calguns.net, the 'Calguns' name and all associated variants and logos are ® Trademark and © Copyright 2002-2016, Calguns.net an Incorporated Company All Rights Reserved.