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Old 05-08-2009, 3:30 PM
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Default I just got a 617 10 shot. You should too.

I caught this gun for sale yesterday on the "for sale" forum and snagged it up. I did the DROS today at On Target because they let you shoot your gun there during your ten day wait.

Holy crap this is a fun gun. I would HIGHLY recommend anyone that likes shooting .22 and or shooting revolvers pick one of these up. Incredible build quality - feels like a gun, not like a toy.
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Old 05-08-2009, 3:40 PM
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Aw, man, I was eyeing that puppy, too. Nice get.
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That's one great revolver, you will love it:

Couple of quick improvements that are easy to do yourself:
Wolff Type 1 standard hammer spring, makes the double action much smoother. Don't get the reduced power one, it gives too many misfires.

www.gunsprings.com, look under S&W K frame:
Shooter's Pak with a TYPE-1 std. power mainspring.
Stock No. 17120.....$15.00

And a set of S&W Target grips (the big chunky ones) about $20 in fleabay

And finally, a scope rail for a red dot, I used one similar to this:
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Enjoy! Stock up on 22LR, you will be shooting a lot of it.
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Oh rub it in that you grabbed that fine fine piece!
Enjoy the heck out of it!
I'll get one eventually.
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Guy that had it before me already switched the springs out for me!
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Nice! The 4" 10 shot is my favorite version - best balance, great capacity - and is the sweetest full-frame .22 revolver you can get, IMO.

I should probably sell off a few of my cheap .22s for one of these.
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Nice pick up
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Awesome gun. Love mine, will never ever let it go.

Get one (or a few) of these - it doubles the fun.
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It's one my favorite gun from my collection and I'll never sell it. Get a 686 4" to match.
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Nice catch! You'll want to get some nice wood grips for it. These Kim Ahrends feel like they were custom fit to my hands!

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In time, you'll want a nice Leather Holster too if you plan to carry it afield. While you search for the perfect Leather one,
I can recommend this Uncle Mike's Flap Holster for < $20:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Uncle-Mike-3-4-R...temQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item360144079913&_trksid=p3911.c 0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|24 0%3A1318|301%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50

The eBay seller accepted my offer of $15 (+ shipping)... so if you're interested, I'd suggest submitting an offer for < $15 to see if he bites.
I couldn't find this model on Uncle Mike's website. Here's my initial impressions:

- My 4" 617 fits the flap holster quite snugly. No movement at all.
- As you can see, it is a bit wider and "blockier" than the standard Uncle Mike's Sidekick Holster (shown w/ my 6" 617).
- The Flap is attached via Velcro to the back side of the holster, and can be adjusted and removed, if desired. A retaining strap (also Velcro attached) is included.
- The rear sight is fully protected and covered. It rests 1.5" down into the holster.
- The grips are fully covered and protected.
- The trigger and trigger guard is also fully covered and protected.

Net: For $20, I'm pleased with the Value, Fit & Finish of this Uncle Mike's Nylon Flap Holster. It fully protects the Grips and Trigger,
and will serve nicely in inclement weather, or when I'm in heavy brush and don't want to risk scratching a nice leather holster.

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I've shot rental 617's a lot at TargetMasters. Nice gun
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Nice catch! You'll want to get some nice wood grips for it. These Kim Ahrends feel like they were custom fit to my hands!

stop showing this picture you bastard! It's too damn pretty!
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stop showing this picture you bastard! It's too damn pretty!
It's a Real Shame... I was planning to give it to you, my East Bay Brother.
But you know I can't now... since you sold off it's Soul Mate!
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Congrats on a nice pickup. It's next on my short list.
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It's a Real Shame... I was planning to give it to you, my East Bay Brother.
But you know I can't now... since you sold off it's Soul Mate!
yeah sure. kick me in the nuts while i'm down.

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Thanks for the comments, and for the heads up on that holster. I ordered some Ahrends grips, which arrived today. Too bad I accidentally ordered the square butt version.
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Congrats! Yep, mine's a keeper

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I've had 2 for about 3 years, a 4" and a 6" they never stay clean! Especially now with the price of ammo.
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Cool... My new Hogue wood grip in cocobolo just arrived today!

That's one of the cool things about revolvers... so easy to swap the grips out to tailor a custom fit to your hands...

I like the 'no-screw' look of the Hogue. It has a completely different feel than the Ahrends in my other pic.... Much fuller in the hands.
Feels larger and thicker. Some may not like it as much... as the Ahrends feel so right (and I'm so used to them). I'm obviously going to
need to handle and shoot both grips A LOT to determine which I like better!

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god! i LOVE those grips! they would look lovely on my 686...
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Mothers mag polish, and old t-shirt... and some inane sitcom on the boob tube!
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Thanx a lot! I've been doing pretty well not letting the new gun acquisition bug get its teeth in me. Until now!!!

Gonna be my next purchase!
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Cool... My new Hogue wood grip in cocobolo just arrived today!

That's one of the cool things about revolvers... so easy to swap the grips out to tailor a custom fit to your hands...

I like the 'no-screw' look of the Hogue. It has a completely different feel than the Ahrends in my other pic.... Much fuller in the hands.
Feels larger and thicker. Some may not like it as much... as the Ahrends feel so right (and I'm so used to them). I'm obviously going to
need to handle and shoot both grips A LOT to determine which I like better!

So have you figured out yet which one's better? Ahrends vs Hogue?
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I caught this gun for sale yesterday on the "for sale" forum and snagged it up. I did the DROS today at On Target because they let you shoot your gun there during your ten day wait.

Holy crap this is a fun gun. I would HIGHLY recommend anyone that likes shooting .22 and or shooting revolvers pick one of these up. Incredible build quality - feels like a gun, not like a toy.
I should. I really should. I would like to buy one. Will you sell me yours?
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No. But I wish you the best of luck.
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So have you figured out yet which one's better? Ahrends vs Hogue?
Yo Zman! I grew up by R-side. Used to hang w/ my crew at Tyler Mall and chase the hotties around when it was too hot outside!

I'm really enjoying the Hogue now that I'm getting used to it. I wear a large sized glove (cadet in a golf glove) and it does fit my hand really well!
The Hogue's definitely bigger than the Ahrends, so I'd have to say the Ahrends would probably fit the majority of hand sizes better...
But my GF's hands are pretty large (she's almost 6') and she has no problem with the Hogue and thinks it's 'prettier'.

Actually, we're both really enjoying the 617 so much (her favorite gun), so I'm searching for a 4" 686 to match it, and the 686 will replace a Glock for HD.
I just picked up a Crimson Trace Grip off eBay for her to practice with on the 617. I've had one on my J-frame S&W for a while and love it! Not cheap,
but I got it for ~$150 and would definitely recommend it for HD. I've seen them go a few times for about the same price from this seller: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190310402838


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Yo Zman! I grew up by R-side. Used to hang w/ my crew at Tyler Mall and chase the hotties around when it was too hot outside!

I'm really enjoying the Hogue now that I'm getting used to it. I wear a large sized glove (cadet in a golf glove) and it does fit my hand really well!
The Hogue's definitely bigger than the Ahrends, so I'd have to say the Ahrends would probably fit the majority of hand sizes better...
But my GF's hands are pretty large (she's almost 6') and she has no problem with the Hogue and thinks it's 'prettier'.

Actually, we're both really enjoying the 617 so much (her favorite gun), so I'm searching for a 4" 686 to match it, and the 686 will replace a Glock for HD.
I just picked up a Crimson Trace Grip off eBay for her to practice with on the 617. I've had one on my J-frame S&W for a while and love it! Not cheap,
but I got it for ~$150 and would definitely recommend it for HD. I've seen them go a few times for about the same price from this seller: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=190310402838

Thanks for the reply bro! I have medium-ish hands, so I'll keep an eye on the Ahrends.
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Nice catch! You'll want to get some nice wood grips for it. These Kim Ahrends feel like they were custom fit to my hands!


May I ask what is the wood type and finish of those beautiful grips?
Thanx!
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I've got one and love it. The only gripe I have heard about the 10 shot model is the double action pull is not as smooth as one that is a 6 shot. I have never compared the2 side by side so don't know. I guess it's the geometry of the hand that turns the cylinder. I shoot mine single action only so it would matter to me. Enjoy your new HG!!!

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May I ask what is the wood type and finish of those beautiful grips?
Thanx!
Howdy dwh100

Those grips are Kim Ahrends combats in Cocobolo wood. Sorry, I don't know the exact finish... I bought the 617 used, and the (very cool) former owner offered to include any of his grips in this pic... Well, I think you can guess which one caught my eye!

Actually, both the Hogue and the Ahrends in my pics above are Cocobolo wood. The Hogue has a gloss finish, the Ahrends do not. I really like the Ahrends a LOT. They fit my hands REALLY well... BIG improvement from stock S&W rubber grips. I wear a large glove, actually a cadet-size golf glove, and the Ahrends fit me better than the Hogue does. I like the Hogue alot too, and it's on my 617 right now... but unlike the Hogue, the Ahrends feel like they were custom-made to my hand. Let's just say when I need to shoot well (e.g., a little friendly wager...), my 617 will be wearing the Ahrends. 'nuff said.


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I've got one and love it. The only gripe I have heard about the 10 shot model is the double action pull is not as smooth as one that is a 6 shot. I have never compared the2 side by side so don't know. I guess it's the geometry of the hand that turns the cylinder. I shoot mine single action only so it would matter to me. Enjoy your new HG!!!

Keith
Hmmmm.... I bought both a 6" 6-shot (w/ target trigger + hammer) and a 4" 10-shot at the same time... with the intention of keeping only one.
Off bags @ 25yards w/ scope I found the two about equal.

The 6" 6-shot was well used and the 4" 10-shot was essentially new. I MUCH preferred the 6-shot because the action in both SA and DA was soooooo much smoother!
BIG difference. And while the 4" may have looked prettier with the wood grips it came with, the reality was it was getting left at home.

Then I did a trigger job on the 4" 10-shot (Wolff 13lb Rebound Spring, Reduced-Power Mainspring (initially experienced FTF's), light stoning w/ the help of someone that knew what he was doing, followed up with 2K+ dryfires w/ snapcaps)...........

Man-o-Man, the table did a 180! From that moment forward, the 6" 6-shot's days were numbered. The 4" 10-shot now laid claim to the superior trigger in both SA & DA.
And as a bonus, I found that (for me), 10-shots are more fun than 6-shots.

You gotta LOVE a 617 in any configuration. When I see someone else shooting one at the range, it brings a smile to my face and I always walk over and introduce myself.
S&W makes a very fine revolver indeed!




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Good shooting!
I just DROSed my 4" 617 on Friday!
Ordered some grips and the Wolf spring kit too

I've never taken a revolver apart. Is replacing the strings pretty straight forward? I did watch a tutorial web video from Midway, but it wasn't very detailed. Got any hints or tips on changing out the springs?

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I just DROSed my 4" 617 on Friday!
Ordered some grips and the Wolf spring kit too

I've never taken a revolver apart. Is replacing the strings pretty straight forward? I did watch a tutorial web video from Midway, but it wasn't very detailed. Got any hints or tips on changing out the springs?

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Congrats on the 617! You will LOVE it! Cracking open a Smith revolver is pretty intimidating your first time!

First.... The internals of a S&W revolver are a work of art! Spend a little time studying this interactive website to understand the basics of what's going on under that sideplate before you attempt anything. You'll appreciate the time you spent once you remove the sideplate! Pay peticular attention to the functions of the Mainspring and Rebound Springs:

http://www.rattlesnakeridge.org/flash/SW357Mag1.swf

Next, get some help... I posted in the Gunsmithing, and How To Forum asking for someone local & experienced to (Please) help me install the Wolff springs. A VERY experienced Calguns member who lives just a couple miles away responded and spent AT LEAST half a day showing me the ropes! He was AWESOME and so were the results! Since you're close to LA, I'd suggest shooting a pm to Saki302. He would have done the same for me if I was down there. Some pretty COOL people here on Calguns!

Enjoy that 617 and lets see some pics when you get it!

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Thanx for the cool link!
I've worked on 10/22s, M1s, ARs, and 1911s before, but not revolvers.
Once you remove the cover, does the cylinder and yoke slide out manually with ease, or is there a retainer of some sort? **(I found out that one of the side plate screws hold it all in)
It appears that the end of the rebound block will lift up and out once the rebound sping is depressed. Is it as simple as depressing the spring, lifting the block out, replacing the rebound spring into the block, depressing the spring and dropping the block back in? The main spring seems pretty straight forward.
Thanx for the help!

Addendum:
Just talked to a buddy whose friend is a S&W expert and is glad to come by and help tutor the spring removal and tune up over a few brews!
I'll get some pics up around next Mon. or Tues.
Cheers!

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I like my 4" 686 and my 617 in 4" I should say LOVE, but I get all choked up and tears run down my face with Joy!
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Thanx for the cool link!
I've worked on 10/22s, M1s, ARs, and 1911s before, but not revolvers.
Once you remove the cover, does the cylinder and yoke slide out manually with ease, or is there a retainer of some sort?
It appears that the end of the rebound block will lift up and out once the rebound sping is depressed. Is it as simple as depressing the spring, lifting the block out, replacing the rebound spring into the block, depressing the spring and dropping the block back in? The main spring seems pretty straight forward.
Thanx for the help!
From my best recollection (Note: I've only had the sideplate off mine the one time);

1) The most forward screw on the side plate secures the cylinder and crane assembly. Once this screw is removed and the sideplate is off,
these are unsecured and easily removed.

2) I did not remove the Rebound Block. The Rebound Spring is held within the block with a screw, and it is under pressure.
It was not so much a problem removing it as replacing it. It is somewhat difficult to compress the spring into the block with the screw
and thread the screw back in. Care is needed here, as I can picture the spring popping out and flying across the room. The spring
is longer than the screw. One end rests against the back of the block, the other end fits over the screw. You compress the spring
with the screw and thread it in. Took me 3 tries to get it in there, as I was being overly cautious, but I finally got it in there.
Replacing this spring was the only difficult (tricky) step for me. I went with the 13lb spring in the Performance Pak.

3) Correct, the mainspring is straight-forward and easily replaced. I used a wolff reduced-power mainspring (Type 2) and experienced FTF's.
I later found out this is a common problem with the Type 2. I would recommend going with Wolff's Type 1 - Standard Power Mainspring.

Good Luck!

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Addendum:
Just talked to a buddy whose friend is a S&W expert and is glad to come by and help tutor the spring removal and tune up over a few brews!
I'll get some pics up around next Mon. or Tues.
Cheers!
Excellent!

And remember, the springs will lighten the trigger pull... But it's the stoning in the proper places that really makes that trigger smoooooooooth!
So tell him to bring his stones along, 'cause you're serving up the ice-cold Premium Brew!
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I like my 4" 686 and my 617 in 4" I should say LOVE, but I get all choked up and tears run down my face with Joy!
Oh Man! Any chance you could post pics of them side-by-side?

A 4" 686 is next on my List! The 686 will be for IDPA and HD... and the 617 will be for inexpensive practice,
as well as targeting shooting and plinking. What a great combo!
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