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Old 05-05-2009, 10:27 PM
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I was in a gun shop today and the owner was showing us his Mauser-built, T-Abwehr Gewehr 1918 rifle. It is basically a mauser action rifle on steroids which fired a 795gr 13.2mm bullet at 2650ft/sec, weighs 42lbs, and stands 66.6" tall, and was used as a tank killer in late WWI.

It was an amazing and rare sight. It must of hurt to fire one of these beasts.





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Holy crap thats awesome. Seems like an early 50 bmg kinda round. Those early tanks had thin skin.
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Neat stuff - Using iron sights too -
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Apparently, it was capable of punching a hole through 15mm of armor at 300yds.
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Be cool to see the ammo that was used -
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A true beast. I do not think the rifle weighed that much however... though I am not sure of the exact weight. Loaded with the bi-pod it did however weigh 41lb. I believe one man carried the bipod and ammo, while the next carried the rifle. Someone else I am sure will know where to find the weight of just the rifle. But still, I would loooove to operate a wooden stock shooting cannon that is about all tall as me.
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The 13mm T-Patrone is essentially a greatly-enlarged version of the 8mm Mauser cartridge, using the same bullet shape but in 13x92mm steel-cored AP round.
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youre in long beach? what gun store was this?
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I didn't ask but I don't think it was for sale, part of the owner's collection. He said it was found walled up in a house wall and forgotten about for decades, until someone bought the house and decided to renovate it, and started tearing down a couple of walls and found it sandwiched between two interior walls.

I've seen just the stripped receivers for sale for $2000.
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i would shot that in a heartbeat. that is awesome.
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Be cool to see the ammo that was used -
Check out the "overbore" for the two to the right, same case necked down to 8mm.

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I didn't ask but I don't think it was for sale, part of the owner's collection. He said it was found walled up in a house wall and forgotten about for decades, until someone bought the house and decided to renovate it, and started tearing down a couple of walls and found it sandwiched between two interior walls.
Now THAT is an original story, lol! That's about as unique as those bridge maintenance workers finding the WW2 weapons under a bridge awhile back...
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Now THAT is an original story, lol! That's about as unique as those bridge maintenance workers finding the WW2 weapons under a bridge awhile back...

To be honest, I couldn't care less whether the story is true or not, it was a cool rifle to see up close. I wasn't going to pull the BS card on him, when he was kind enough to drag this thing out the back of his shop to show us.
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Now THAT is an original story, lol! That's about as unique as those bridge maintenance workers finding the WW2 weapons under a bridge awhile back...
or their uncle who pryed if from the hands of a dead SS officer.


i'd love to have that rifle. i have a little collection of inert ww2 ordnance. a german 88mm shell in the living room always gets attention.

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Wow that is NOTHING like my Mauser...
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In china, they recovered a couple millions of dollars worth in classical musical instruments from a deceased man's home. He had horded hundreds of pieces from Mao's revolutionists because western influence was abolished.

Prior to his meager life, he was an accomplished music teacher or something.
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That is the round that Browning based his 50 BMG on. The first British tanks had pretty thin armor, and that thing could punch right through them. Unfortunately for the Germans, it was deployed too late in the war to do much.

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I thought the 50 BMG was based on the .30-06 round, just upscaled?
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One of these is on display at the Aberdeen proving grounds in Maryland, I have a picture somewhere...
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That's what I had heard too.
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Grundmans in Rio Dell had one of these for sale a few months back, don't think it sold.
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To be honest, I couldn't care less whether the story is true or not, it was a cool rifle to see up close. I wasn't going to pull the BS card on him, when he was kind enough to drag this thing out the back of his shop to show us.
I wasn't trying to come off sarcastic actually so I apologize if I did...I wish Idda been there to see this piece of history myself...hell, I'd be really curious how one would ship this puppy home - course then again if it was WW1, who knows what the regulations were back then.
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I wasn't trying to come off sarcastic actually so I apologize if I did...I wish Idda been there to see this piece of history myself...hell, I'd be really curious how one would ship this puppy home - course then again if it was WW1, who knows what the regulations were back then.
No apology necessary and no offence was taken. I know what you were try to say, I'm sure there's been a million stories about people finding valuable stuff in walls in old houses. In this case, I proned to believe him. This Mauser was in very good unrestored / unrefinished condition. If a rifle like that had been passed from collector to collector since being brought back after 1918, I'm sure it would have ended up being bubba'ed, or in a museum, or in the hands of a wealthy collector, by now. Instead, the first thing the finder did was take it to a pawn shop. The finder obviously had no idea what he had, and / or had no interest in firearms.
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I have seen one of these rifles in person at Duncan's Gun Shop, it was a freaking MONSTER of a rifle. I wanted to fondle it but alas, 'twas not mine.
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There's a video out there of some guy firing one of these things. He fires to the left of the screen & disappears out of view to the right when it goes off..
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Neat stuff - Using iron sights too -

Extra cool with irons!

I understand you can detach your retinas if you shoot it too much.
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Up until recently - GIs were allowed to bring home captured weapons - I am not sure when this practice cease -

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In the good 'ol pre-68 days as a kid, I fired one of these in the original 13.2, from the prone as intended.

The only rifle and round I could compared it to in my experience at the time was a Winchester 70 in .458 mag, and the Mauser was to the .458 as the .458 was to a 06 - it was the most unbelievable recoil i'd ever experienced up to that time, and it only took that one round to satisfy my curiosity.

We were shooting at a split-rim truck wheel downhill, at a range of approx 100 yds. When the round hit the wheel it rang the thing like a bell, and would punch straight through without deforming. 06 black tip would dent or penetrate, depending on the part of the wheel hit.
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Extra cool with irons!

I understand you can detach your retinas if you shoot it too much.
No way, are you serious?

ETA: Yep, you are! Seems to be a big problem with age and heavy recoil rifles as well as race car drivers and boxers...

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... I'm sure there's been a million stories about people finding valuable stuff in walls in old houses.
Tons, actually. I know at least a couple of people who've either found a gun in a wall, or have a gun that was found in a wall.

Not all that uncommon.
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Tons, actually. I know at least a couple of people who've either found a gun in a wall, or have a gun that was found in a wall.

Not all that uncommon.
My dad's friend found a musket from circia ~1820 in his attic.
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I think there is one of those for sale here in way Northern Cali. Search Gun Broker.
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