[Para45]

****UPDATE 07-23-09****

AB962 has been moved to the Senate Appropriations Suspense file. This means it is "stuck" in that committee at least until after the summer recess. They return August 17th. Please continue to contact the offices of the committee members and urge a NO vote on AB 962.


****UPDATE 07-22-09****

>>NRA-ILA UPDATE<<

AB962 Could be Heard as Early as Thursday, July 23 in Sacramento. Please Contact the Senate Appropriations Committee Today!
On Monday, July 20 the Senate Appropriations Committee canceled its meeting, delaying a vote on Assembly Bill 962. It is very possible that AB962 could be taken up at its next meeting, which is currently scheduled for Thursday, July 23. It is important that you continue to contact the committee members in opposition to this bill!!!

Well not too surprisingly, AB962 passed the SPSC and is now headed to the Senate Appropriations Committee and just one step closer to law. Let's keep hammering on the members below and urge them to oppose this ridiculous and costly bill that puts even more restrictions on Californians' already limited gun rights!!!


SENATE APPROPRIATIONS COMMITTEE:

State Senator Christine Kehoe (D-39), Chair
(916) 651-4039
Senator.Kehoe@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Dave Cox (R-1), Vice-Chair
(916) 651-4001
Senator.Cox@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Ellen Corbett (D-10)
(916) 651-4010
Senator.Corbett@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Jeff Denham (R-12)
(916) 651-4012
Senator.Denham@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Mark DeSaulnier (D-7)
(916) 651-4007
Senator.DeSaulnier@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9)
(916) 651-4009
Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Mark Leno (D-3)
(916) 651-4003
Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Jenny Oropeza (D-28)
(916) 651-4028
Senator.Oropeza@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator George Runner (R-17)
(916) 651-4017
Senator.Runner@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Mimi Walters (R-33)
(916) 651-4033
Senator.Walters@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Lois Wolk (D-5)
(916) 651-4005
Senator.Wolk@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Mark Wyland (R-38)
(916) 651-4038
Senator.Wyland@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Leland Yee (D-8)
(916) 651-4008
Senator.Yee@SENATE.CA.GOV[/COLOR]


****UPDATE 06-29-09****

According to the NRA-ILA updates, the Senate Public Safety Committee Hearing on AB 962 has now been pushed back until July 7th - more time to contact the members!!

http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?year=2009&summary=ab962



****UPDATE 06-12-09****

Alright guys this ridiculous bill has passed the Assembly and moved to the Senate for a vote - not good news at all and we've got work to do!! It only passed by ONE (1) vote so that tells you how possible it is to defeat this thing!! Here's the latest documentation - PLEASE contact your representatives and let them know where you stand!!


Find out who your representatives are - contacting the senators below ASAP is the most important thing right now since this is headed there for a vote next:


SENATE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE:

State Senator Mark Leno (D-3) – Chair
(916) 651-4003
Senator.Leno@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator John J. Benoit (R-37) - Vice-Chair
(916) 651-4037
Senator.Benoit@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Gilbert Cedillo (D-22)
(916) 651-4022
Senator.Cedillo@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Loni Hancock (D-9)
(916) 651-4009
Senator.Hancock@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Robert Huff (R-29)
(916) 651-4029
Senator.Huff@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Darrell Steinberg (D-6)
(916) 651-4006
Senator.Steinberg@SENATE.CA.GOV

State Senator Roderick Wright (D-25)
(916) 651-4025
Senator.Wright@SENATE.CA.GOV


Even more contact info:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/yourleg.html


Latest Bill Info:

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/...asm_floor.html


Here's all the contact info you need thanks to obeygiant & unusedusername:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...&postcount=552




****UPDATE 05-29-09****

Vote on Two Anti-Gun Bills Could Come Next Week!
Please Contact Your State Legislators Today!
Yesterday, the Assembly Committee on Appropriations passed Assembly Bill 962.

Sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited. AB962 now heads to the Assembly floor for consideration.

The bill could be voted on as early as next week so it is imperative that you make your voices heard loudly. Please contact your State Assemblymember TODAY and respectfully urge them to oppose AB962. Contact information for your state legislators can be found here: http://www.capwiz.com/nra/state/main...ew=myofficials.

Here's a form letter courtesy of Turner's: http://www.turners.com/siteimages/ab962letter.pdf


****UPDATE 05-06-09****

Ammunition Sales Restrictions One Step Closer to Defeat
Assembly Committee on Appropriations Places AB962 into the Suspense File

Today, Assembly Bill 962 was placed in the suspense file by the Assembly Committee on Appropriations.

Sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a "handgun ammunition vendor" in the Department of Justice's database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.

While this development is a solid step towards defeating AB962, the bill still poses a threat. Please continue checking your email and www.NRAILA.org for updates.
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I'm sure it's been posted already, but worth informing yourself about-- http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/...ntroduced.html

From NRA-ILA:


Ammunition Sales Restrictions Moving Forward in California

Yesterday, the Assembly Committee on Public Safety considered two bills of great concern to California’s law-abiding gun owners.

Assembly Bill 962 was passed and now heads to the Assembly Committee on Appropriations where it awaits a hearing. Sponsored by Assembly Member Kevin De Leon (D-45), AB962 would make it a crime to privately transfer more than 50 rounds of ammunition per month, even between family and friends, unless you are registered as a “handgun ammunition vendor” in the Department of Justice’s database. Ammunition retailers would have to be licensed and store ammunition in such a manner that it would be inaccessible to purchasers. The bill would also require purchasers submit to fingerprinting, which would be submitted to the Department of Justice. Lastly, mail order ammunition sales would be prohibited.


Please contact the members of the Assembly Appropriations Committee TODAY and respectfully urge them to oppose AB962. Contact information for the committee can be found below.

[Smokin]

I just called EVERYONE on that list. Took a bit longer than 776 but most of the assembly members havent even heard of the bill. This means that not enough of us are calling. GET ON THE PHONES NOW! Get faxing and get writing!

[MontClaire]

what I did...but I think it fell on the deaf answering service ears.

[Smokin]

I had a much better response on this bill than when I talked to the public safety people on 776. Most were interested in my opinion and even asked me to elaborate. A few even had conversations with me. Make our voice heard. Start dialing and clogging the phone lines!

[Para45]

Originally Posted by Smokin

.......Make our voice heard. Start dialing and clogging the phone lines!

+1

[Gator Monroe]

Will call Jim Nielson tommorow !

[BOFH]

I sent a pretty good email to everyone listed...will call tomorrow AM when I have a bit more free time. I know I am preaching to the choir here, but damn...this is such a stupid bill for so many reasons. I would have a bit more respect for people like Assembly Member Kevin De Leon if they would just come out and admit that the real reason for bills like this is to make gun ownership too expensive and too much of a PITA instead of trying to claim it will do anything to curb gun related crimes. On a related note...how many of the anti-gun types have dismissed their armed guards? Oh...none ;-)

[dlefdal]

I just called. The secretary told me that in Sacramento, they have already implemented this rule and it has helped solve over 180 crimes due to fingerprinting.

Is this true? Can anyone provide further info on this? She couldn't. You know, after about 10 years of law enforcement, I find this hard to believe.

[RomanDad]

Let me be the first to say it, as I've waited a long time to say this with regard to a gun law....


UNCONSTITUTIONAL

[BOFH]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Let me be the first to say it, as I've waited a long time to say this with regard to a gun law....


UNCONSTITUTIONAL

Damn right.

[Librarian]

Please do call - but remember that De Leon is both the sponsor of the bill AND Chair of this committee.

And let's try this: FAX a simple message to the Committee itself -
Name, address, and
"Please count me as a member of the public opposed to AB 962"

Committee Fax: 916-319-2181

[Nanook]

Don't forget to also fax a brief letter to the committee's fax line:
916.319.2181.

Nothing like hard copy.

[EDIT] Haha. In the 2 minutes it took to call and ask, ya trumped me.

[Lazy-8]

Emails sent. I am going to phone calls if I can later this week.

[Para45]

Yeah this is just beyond the ridiculous nature of the already existing worthless gun laws here in California - if only the Founding Fathers could witness what's happening in this state/country today...

[Bizcuits]

I'll send my letters when I get back from hoarding more ammo from walmart.

[Crusader]

I just called the entire list. Honestly, despite whatever reservations people have about the NRA, I'm extremely thankful I got this email from them.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by dlefdal

I just called. The secretary told me that in Sacramento, they have already implemented this rule and it has helped solve over 180 crimes due to fingerprinting.

Is this true? Can anyone provide further info on this? She couldn't. You know, after about 10 years of law enforcement, I find this hard to believe.

I doubt it has anything to do with fingerprinting.

See this Sacramento Bee article from last August:

The ordinance, passed in July 2007, requires city gun dealers to enter information on those who purchase ammunition into a Web site.

The city Police Department tracks the sales through that Web site and cross-checks the list with the names of city residents who are prohibited from possessing firearms, including felons and drug dealers. If police find those people with guns, they are arrested and the guns are seized.

A sidebar says

Anyone who purchases ammunition in the city of Sacramento must provide identification and a thumbprint. A by-the-numbers look at the law's effect:

56 – Guns seized from residents not allowed to own them.

53 – Felony charges filed as a result of the seizures.

800 – The number of rounds of ammunition confiscated.

100 – Marijuana plants confiscated during the raids.

30 – Doses of Ecstasy seized.

3 – Stolen firearms recovered.

[5968]

I will make some phone calls tomorrow.

[sreiter]

Originally Posted by dlefdal

I just called. The secretary told me that in Sacramento, they have already implemented this rule and it has helped solve over 180 crimes due to fingerprinting.

Is this true? Can anyone provide further info on this? She couldn't. You know, after about 10 years of law enforcement, I find this hard to believe.

thats what the guy testified to . said out the the 180 = 154 felony convictions

theidoits kept talking "if it were state wide, then they couldnt go to the next city,bkah blah)

it was countered with "well some gang banger will have their clean G/F buy it for them. "

[sreiter]

the state law provides only for a paper trail not computer - the same law that failed in 1964

[djandj]

Originally Posted by RomanDad

Let me be the first to say it, as I've waited a long time to say this with regard to a gun law....


UNCONSTITUTIONAL

No - it's not - they would claim it's a "reasonable regulation" on ammo (and thus firearms) and does not actually ban either weapons or ammo.

Don't start throwing around the unconstitutional stuff too soon

[Swiss]

Originally Posted by sreiter

thats what the guy testified to . said out the the 180 = 154 felony convictions

theidoits kept talking "if it were state wide, then they couldnt go to the next city,bkah blah)

it was countered with "well some gang banger will have their clean G/F buy it for them. "

Not to mention that the gangbanger doesn't need or buy ammo nearly as much as the lawful gun owners who need to buy in bulk (read mail order and internet) so they can keep their skills up.

Anyone have a simple parallel argument for this? Like "let's fingerprint and ID everyone buying gasoline to get the dangerous unlawful drivers off the road!".

[97F1504RAD]

I emailed everyone on the list.

[Swiss]

Another question for those a lot smarter than I:

Eliminating mail and internet order would make ammunition difficult to find (especially in less common calibers) and would make owning/using a firearm considerably more expensive.

Q: Is there some sort of legal argument that prohibits lawmakers from enacting laws that so adversely affect a single group? This is aside from the fact that we're practicing a Consitutional right. Given our laws against smokers I'm guessing they can do what they want, but I figured I'd still ask the question.

[KylaGWolf]

Swiss nope no law that goes against a single group unless you could prove it to be discrimination although I am not sure if the anti-discrimination laws would apply to making gun ownership too expensive. The anti gun people will use the argument that guns ownership is a privilege and not a right per se. Then again the anti gun nuts will argue that no one should have a gun because guns kill. I so hated that argument when it came out and I was just a kid back then.

[1BigPea]

Faxes, emails sent, will make calls tomorrow AM.

This Bill needs to die!

Originally Posted by KylaGWolf

The anti gun people will use the argument that guns ownership is a privilege and not a right per se.

This will not fly in the courts anymore. If Heller and Nordyke mean ANYTHING they mean that gun ownership is a right.

[Smokin]

Why is this on the 2nd page? This is probably the most important pending item we have up for vote in the PRK. Can someone make this a sticky?

[soundwave]

Just did my fax letter to the committee. Sending e-mails shortly.

This does need to be stickied!

[timmyb21]

Fax sent. Kill this bill!

[surfinguru]

Anyone have a good boilerplate response to this besides just saying "I'm against it"? I don't want to send anything that's going to hurt us...

[glockman19]

This in and of itself violates the interstate commerce clause and is unconstitutional. Not to mention Heller, 2A, and Nordyke's incorporation.

Even if this bill gets voted on there is NO WAY any Gov. would sign this after the AG reads and gives his opinion, not to mention the cost of the program in addition to the magazine regestration and other laws now moot with the 2A's incorporation.

It's a game to see what they can sneek by.

Keep up the calls, letters and e-mails. It's a group effort. I'm sorry very little has been said in the press, news...I hope Sunday's paper includes some unbias reporting.

Originally Posted by Swiss

Another question for those a lot smarter than I:

Eliminating mail and internet order would make ammunition difficult to find (especially in less common calibers) and would make owning/using a firearm considerably more expensive.

Q: Is there some sort of legal argument that prohibits lawmakers from enacting laws that so adversely affect a single group? This is aside from the fact that we're practicing a Consitutional right. Given our laws against smokers I'm guessing they can do what they want, but I figured I'd still ask the question.

[m0topilot]

Here you go, I just sent this in. You can copy and paste the text below. Just edit the <TAGS>. I just got a bunch of canned responses, all the same. I'm planning on faxing this in tonight when I get home.

Here is the list of emails:

Assemblymember.deLeon@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Nielsen@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Ammiano@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Calderon@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Davis@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Duvall@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.fuentes@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Hall@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Harkey@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.jones@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Miller@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.John.Perez@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Price@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Skinner@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.solorio@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.strickland@assembly.ca.gov, Assemblymember.Torlakson@assembly.ca.gov

Dear Assembly member,

My name is <YOUR NAME> and I live in Assembly District <YOUR DISTRICT>. I am emailing
to voice my opposition to AB962.

This bill before you is a punishment on law abiding citizens and legal residents.
It does nothing to reduce crime. The gang-bangers are already aware of this bill
and are planning to buy out of state. And get this, they are looking into
reloading - they are not that dumb. There is a reason why they are called
criminals - they break the law. We have laws in place already that ban the use
of a gun for felons and violent misdemeanors. I'm sure most of gang members fall
into that category.

I understand that Kevin De Leon is trying to help his constituents, but this bill
punishes the rest of Californians. Why should people in Redding and Shasta (or other
parts of the state) be subjected to this bill?. They don't experience the same
problems Los Angeles has.

It's a fact that gun control doesn't reduce crime, it increases crime http://www.gunfacts.info/
Limiting the sell of ammunition only stops people who already abide by the law from buying
ammunition for sport and practice. The NRA and all it's members priority number
one is safety. It is preached and practice everywhere I shoot. I meet so many
nice people whenever I go to the range. I implore you to visit your local
range and talk with your constituents - you'll find many great people.

AB962 is a useless law - it's a punishment on American values and one of the
founding principles that started this great country.

Please, there are other avenues that we can explore to reduce crime - some not
so popular, but that are already law. Remember this: "An armed society is a polite
one".

All the best,

<YOUR NAME>
<YOUR CITY>, CA
Assembly District <YOUR DISTRICT>

[rysmithjr]

Originally Posted by m0topilot

The gang-bangers are already aware of this bill
and are planning to buy out of state. And get this, they are looking into
reloading - they are not that dumb. There is a reason why they are called
criminals - they break the law. We have laws in place already that ban the use
of a gun for felons and violent misdemeanors. I'm sure most of gang members fall
into that category.

Seriously? Making up information does not help the cause.

[m0topilot]

Yes seriously, and what information am I making up? Please be specific.

I am going to assume your speaking towards the reloading part. I have heard someone at the range who is an acquaintance with gang members and that is what he said.

Also the point is that there are ways around the ridiculous bill that they are proposing. I'm not making anything up. And what's to stop them from reloading other than a 4th grade education?

[soundwave]

Originally Posted by m0topilot

I understand that Kevin De Leon is trying to help his constituents, but this bill
punishes the rest of Californians. Why should people in Redding and Shasta (or other
parts of the state) be subjected to this bill?. They don't experience the same
problems Los Angeles has.

I recommend cutting this part out as well. We have to fight this all or nothing, and this excerpt suggests the bill would help in areas with strong gang presence.

We can't be selective with our opposition. We need to oppose this as Californians for Californians.

[madmike]

I don't think they will bother to read what you write, just mark you down as a yes or no. I just sent them this:

Dear Assembly member,

My name is madmike and I live in Santa Rosa, Sonoma County. I am emailing to voice my opposition to AB962.
Please oppose this bill, it is an extreme waste of taxpayer money and would be ineffective at it's stated purpose.

Sincerely,
madmike.

[rysmithjr]

Originally Posted by m0topilot

Yes seriously, and what information am I making up? Please be specific.

I am going to assume your speaking towards the reloading part. I have heard someone at the range who is an acquaintance with gang members and that is what he said.

Also the point is that there are ways around the ridiculous bill that they are proposing. I'm not making anything up. And what's to stop them from reloading other than a 4th grade education?

You sound like you have taken surveys and have talked to gang-members about it, and that "they" have a plan in place. A carpool to Nevada to buy ammo! Reloading stations set up in the garage! Hearing it from a friend who says he talked to a gang member is not even close to valid. I heard from my uncle that Obama is an alien, doesn't make it true and would make me look like a nutjob if I tried to use it to fight a piece of proposed legislation.

[m0topilot]

Soundwave, i disagree not because I wrote it. I read my statements over and over again. AB692 was written specifically for Kevin De Leon constituents - why should the rest California have to bear the burden of his legislation. Combine this statement with my other text it's clear that my arguement is that this bill won't help combat crime at all.

I agree we need to fight this bill for all Californians - definitely.

[m0topilot]

rysmithjr, have you seen any of the documentaries that are on National Geographic? Have you seen how complicated the gangs are? Have you seen how well organized they are? What's to stop them - non of what I'm saying is impossible. I'm only pointing there are ways around this bill, I just forgot to mention the girlfriend without a criminal record... And no I didn't visit my local barrio holms and take a survey from the local vatos.

And why is Obama sealing his birth certificate? Does he have something to hide?

madmike, very good point, mileage does vary.