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Old 01-19-2016, 1:49 PM
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Depends on the condition of the handguns and whether or not they will be collectible, and not just mixmaster guns.
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up to 100,000 at up to 10,000 per year

What the heck, I'm in for 10, one from each batch
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My nostalgic side would still be tempted, as my father carried one and his was the first real pistol we had ever seen at that point...
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Not exactly a bargain, but I could see getting 1.
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I'm not sure what price people were expecting. $1000 is market price for an arsenal rebuilt USGI M1911 or M1911A1 in shootable condition. And these are coming from the CMP with no chance for Bubba to mess with them. I don't think they will have any problem selling them at that price.
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What price did you think you would pay? 1k is a bargain compared to what I see for sale on the board.....
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I'm probably in for one at that price.
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In for 1 or 2 at that price...how much did you think these would be? I actually thought they would be 1200 to start

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They'll sell like hotcakes at that price. Complete sellout.

VERY interested to see what "collector grade" pistols they end up finding in those shipments. Of course, those will go straight to CMP auction, but I bet there are going to be some really cool pieces.
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In for 1 or 2 at that price...how much did you think these would be? I actually thought they would be 1200 to start
I figured 1K would get you into field/service at least
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Plus tax... :-/
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VERY interested to see what "collector grade" pistols they end up finding in those shipments. Of course, those will go straight to CMP auction, but I bet there are going to be some really cool pieces.
No doubt. Unlike battle rifles, pistols were mostly carried by officers who may have used them relatively little. Many of them are probably still "original" and in relatively good condition.

There is a collector named John Holbrook (he invented the Holbrook device for the M1 Rifle) who has a great collection of M1911's and M1911A1's in excellent condition.

http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...eat-treat-line
http://forum.m1911.org/showthread.ph...1A1-Lend-Lease
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I'm not sure what price people were expecting. $1000 is market price for an arsenal rebuilt USGI M1911 or M1911A1 in shootable condition. And these are coming from the CMP with no chance for Bubba to mess with them. I don't think they will have any problem selling them at that price.
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What were you cheapskates expecting???? Go out on the open market and buy one. Prices start at a grand and go way up from there. I haven't bought a decent collector 1911 or 1911-A1 for less than a thousand dollars in the last year or two.
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What were you cheapskates expecting???? Go out on the open market and buy one. Prices start at a grand and go way up from there. I haven't bought a decent collector 1911 or 1911-A1 for less than a thousand dollars in the last year or two.

So 1000 is good for poor finish/pitted mismatching rack grade condition 1911?
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I just ordered two M1 Garands from CMP, and all of them are a great deal, unless you buy at their auctions. I frankly expected rack grade 1911s to start at $650, field grade around $750, service grade perhaps $850, and collector grade to be $950. I'm surprised that they are going to ask that much . . .
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I'm not sure what price people were expecting. $1000 is market price for an arsenal rebuilt USGI M1911 or M1911A1 in shootable condition. .
Rack grade sure isn't equal to arsenal rebuilt.

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...... not just mixmaster guns.
95% of the guns will be mixmaster. Some have been in the system since 1911 and most have probably been rebuilt a few times.
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I thought the lowest price range for the 1911s would come in around $800. $1000 is certainly fair per current market prices.

"The Secretary of the Army has to officially release the pistols to the CMP and there currently is no Secretary of the Army. Consequently, the release of the pistols is dependent on who next fills that post."

OK, I'll volunteer to be the new Secretary.
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Yes that seems to be a fair market price.

Will these pistols be available to us here in the great state of CA?
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Should be, C&R exempt from roster and all that. CMP will have a procedure for shipping to CA FFLs.

I doubt they will abandon CA like online retailers do. Every interaction I've had with the CMP has impressed me.

What's the lowest price anyone has seen on a USGI 1911 in the last year? EDIT: I remember 2 years ago at a gun show I saw a relatively crappy one for $850, probably some wiggle in that price.

And aren't most 1911s going to be mixmaster products of the US arsenal system like M1s? Or is it different because some may have been carried intact by officers and then turned back in and immediately put away?
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I guess I wont be getting one. I cant see them being worth that much, maybe if that particular one was carried by someone well known I could see my way to pay that much. Another way to be worth that much is if it had been re worked by the AMU that could be worth some money. Today I bought a Colt Lightweight Defender for 860. and they want a thousand for a used pistol, it's nuts. But by all means I hope everyone jumps in there and buys a bunch of them, it is for a good cause. Hell I might have even shot or worked on one of them. But for the life of me I cant see the big deal in a used .45 pistol being worth that much. Good luck on the draw.
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So 1000 is good for poor finish/pitted mismatching rack grade condition 1911?
That's kind of what they tend to sell for. If you are lucky you might find one for a bit less, but I doubt it.

Of course, all you have to do is not buy one if you think it is too much.
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It's the history. John Browning's pistol as issued to the United States Military in the 20th Century.

I've read online that you shouldn't even fire them anymore because of the possibility of slide/frame cracking.
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Just wait till some turd mall ninja gets one of these "cheap" 1911's and changes out the grips, puts a tacticool rail on it with all the cool lights and lasers, scallops the slide, compensates the barrel and DuraCoats it orange....Just wait....it will happen...
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That's kind of what they tend to sell for. If you are lucky you might find one for a bit less, but I doubt it.

Of course, all you have to do is not buy one if you think it is too much.

That is what they tend to sell for. But then, that is without 10,000 more of them per year for 10 years being introduced into the market.
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Before anyone starts using John Holbrook for 1911 reference,note that SOME
of the 1911s he puts out with pics,descriptions,etc are not original
finish. I've seen a lot of his stuff from years ago and I know that some
of his stuff is restored. I've had access to a private collection of over 500
ORIGINAL 1911s including 3 Singers and after looking at originals from 1912
thru 1945 you can tell the difference. Pete
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So, what about the Rock Island Armory and other sub $800 1911s? Why are these worth more than factory new, rattle trap but reliable 1911s?
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So, what about the Rock Island Armory and other sub $800 1911s? Why are these worth more than factory new, rattle trap but reliable 1911s?
Did you seriously just say that?

A new 1911 vs a historical serviced 1911?

If you dont like it and dont know why someone would buy this, then dont. Its clearly NOT for you.
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While this quoted price is similar to the going rate on the open market there is one big difference. On the open market you can see exactly what you are buying and maybe even inspect it. With CMP you are getting something sight unseen. If the prices are similar, I'll shop around and buy one that I can see and/or fondle.
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They will sell out fast. If they don't they could adjust the price but I don't think they will have any problem moving them.


I'll get one just cuz, and if I like it...
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Depends on the condition of the handguns and whether or not they will be collectible, and not just mixmaster guns.
I doubt there is any 'as built' 1911s left anywhere outside a museum in the Army inventory. As I've mentioned before I ran a small arms collection facility in Germany/7th Corps in the late 70s and every 1911A1 was as much a mixmaster as possible including those originally built as a 1911.

For 1k I'll pass. Too bad. I think GIs who were issued 1911s should get a special discount
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I don't want to pay $1,000, but I can't argue with the fact that this is the market rate for them. I'll buy one or two, even though I don't want to pay that much.
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