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Old 03-08-2017, 10:14 PM
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I'm having an issue with my M59/66.
The model I have is this one from J&G
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So I took it out shooting and it had some hiccups. I thought maybe it just needed to be cleaned, so I went ahead and cleaned and oiled it. Then today I took it out to shoot and maybe 2/5 rounds it would not cycle fully. The bolt would get stuck in the rear.

The gas tube is clear of gunk, and I've used multiple ammos.

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The bolt gets stuck to the rear, what lets you "unstick" it? Do you have to push down on the rounds in the magazine? Do you just push the charging handle forward? If you were short stroking I would be inclined to say it is a gas problem, but if you are getting problems with it locked back I'm not sure. Are the recoil springs fresh? Sounds like weak springs that aren't strong enough to bring the bolt home
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I just tap the bolt and it goes forward. As far as I know these are brand new re arsenaled rifles.
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I just tap the bolt and it goes forward. As far as I know these are brand new re arsenaled rifles.
Definitely sounds like weak spring. Try a new spring. Or make sure your current spring is clean from grease and cosmo!
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Definitely sounds like weak spring. Try a new spring. Or make sure your current spring is clean from grease and cosmo!
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Buy a new gas shut off valve. The 59/66 is notorious for this problem.
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Check to see if the recoil spring assembly in backwards, and all the parts free of cosmoline
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I would take the "re-arsenaled" part with a grain of salt. It may have been reblued and new wood put on it, but something simple like the recoil spring could've been declared "good enough" without any real testing.

Also.....I have bought many rifles that were "cleaned" after being soaked in cosmoline.....most of them were not really clean. De-greasing a military rifle should take a couple of hours. Particular attention should be paid to the gas port and gas system, as well as the trigger group and firing pin channel. You'll go through about half a box of q-tips.
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I'm having an issue with my M59/66.
The model I have is this one from J&G

So I took it out shooting and it had some hiccups. I thought maybe it just needed to be cleaned, so I went ahead and cleaned and oiled it. Then today I took it out to shoot and maybe 2/5 rounds it would not cycle fully. The bolt would get stuck in the rear.

The gas tube is clear of gunk, and I've used multiple ammos.

Any fixes that you guys know of?
Thanks?
The good news is that the SKS platform is extremely reliable. Thus it shouldn't be hard to troubleshoot the problem. If I am reading your post correctly it sounds like you took it out of the box and shot it initially without cleaning or oiling. That really isn't a good idea.

When you oiled and cleaned it, how much effort did you put into it? Did you completely disassemble the weapon, or just clean cosmo in the gun that was visible? I have seen many C&R firearms that looked spotless but were entirely gunked below the surface. So do a complete takedown and get all the gunk and fouling out. You also need to take down the bolt in order to clean the firing pin channel. It isn't difficult.

It could be a weak recoil spring.

It could be hidden cosmo gumming the action and hindering cycling.

It could be a weak recoil spring or even in backwards

It could be a leak or defective gas valve, which only the 59/66 has.
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Check to see if the recoil spring assembly in backwards, and all the parts free of cosmoline
^^This, The curly/Squiggly end of the spring goes foward in the bolt
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The bolt would get stuck in the rear.
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Buy a new gas shut off valve. The 59/66 is notorious for this problem.
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It could be a leak or defective gas valve, which only the 59/66 has.
Not sure how a gas valve would cause the action to stick open.

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Does it ever get stuck when you manually cycle it?

I'd start by detail stripping the rifle and thoroughly cleaning and lube. These old rifles that come out of arsenal storage need a complete strip and clean. You might even want to detail strip and clean the bolt but the firing pin retainer can be a bear to remove.
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Buy a new gas shut off valve. The 59/66 is notorious for this problem.
Please explain what is notorious about it? It is a redundant part without the grenade launcher but in my personal experience it hasn't caused any issues with functioning.
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Not sure how a gas valve would cause the action to stick open.
Just a theory, but if it were worn it could bleed gas that is meant for cycling the bolt fully.
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Just a theory, but if it were worn it could bleed gas that is meant for cycling the bolt fully.
Then you would get short strokes and failures to eject, I have personally experienced this problem and a new gas valve fixed it for me. The original valve had eroded and was no longer creating a seal, letting gas escape. If his SKS is getting stuck in the rear position I don't think it is a problem with the gas valve, since it did its job by pushing the bolt carrier all the way back. To complete the cycling action, the springs must now take over and return the bolt group back home.

I'm going to double down and say to check to make sure the rifle is entirely clean of cosmoline and replace the recoil spring. Always try the easiest stuff first when troubleshooting
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Check gas rod to make sure its not bent, if it is it may be sluggish pushing bolt to unlock allowing gas to bleed off and not have initial bolt opening velocity, bolt/carrier wil move sluggish and then get captured by hammer.

Another issue may be eroded gas cylinder tube bleeding off too much gas.
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Please explain what is notorious about it? It is a redundant part without the grenade launcher but in my personal experience it hasn't caused any issues with functioning.
Notorious for being corroded on many 59/66's. A popular problem, but leads to short-stroking.
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Did you remove the hand guard and clean the rod and bore in the hand guard ?. that long piston rod should move back and forth freely without sticking. Every time i shoot my SKS i clean both the long and short rod.
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Complete breakdown of the gun. Put wood parts off to the side. Blast and soak all metal parts with brake cleaner or gun scrubber. Let dry, wipe down all parts with Breakfree and then wipe dry again. Then oil only the parts that need to be oiled and DON'T OIL THE FIRING PIN>. Oil in the firing pin attracts dirt that locks the firing pin forward and causes slam fires.

Gun Scrubber works better than brake cleaner but is three times the price. Be aware it will make you feel like you are on fire if you get in on your face or hands.
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Buy a new gas shut off valve. The 59/66 is notorious for this problem.
Yes this ^^^ I installed stainless valves in mine and they run flawless.
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Notorious for being corroded on many 59/66's. A popular problem, but leads to short-stroking.
I suppose if one were to shoot lots of corrosive surplus and then fail to clean the weapon in a timely fashion, that could be a problem. In my own personal experience owning two of these the gas valve has not been an issue. The small valve parts are easy to lose though once disassembled.
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Buy a new gas shut off valve. The 59/66 is notorious for this problem.
This is one reason I wouldnt buy a YUGO sks

when you can still get a Chinese / Russian sks that doesnt have this problem

more parts = more problems

the gas valve is unnecessary on a standard sks without the grenade launcher

I would guess a YUGO sks with the gas valve would have poor reliability in places like Vietnam by the way they were used and stored in a harsh tropical environment

a Yugo sks would have had problems in Vietnam with the type of abuse the weapons used by the VC were exposed to, since the gas valve would have corroded easily in those field conditions.

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Did you remove the hand guard and clean the rod and bore in the hand guard ?. that long piston rod should move back and forth freely without sticking. Every time i shoot my SKS i clean both the long and short rod.
Yes is did clean those parts.

I have a buddy with an Arsenal 26, I think I will switch springs with his and see if it resolves itself. That way I can diagnose a soft spring.

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This is one reason I wouldnt buy a YUGO sks

when you can still get a Chinese / Russian sks that doesnt have this problem

more parts = more problems

the gas valve is unnecessary on a standard sks without the grenade launcher

I would guess a YUGO sks with the gas valve would have poor reliability in places like Vietnam by the way they were used and stored in a harsh tropical environment

a Yugo sks would have had problems in Vietnam with the type of abuse the weapons used by the VC were exposed to, since the gas valve would have corroded easily in those field conditions.
The thing is that most of the "problems" are based on internet postings that were based on other internet postings that someone heard somewhere from some guy at some gun store.

Besides producing the 59/66, Yugoslavia also produced M67 ammo which is corrosive but considered great ammo. If a person buys a 59/66 in good condition, the gas valve is not an issue whatsoever if the rifle is taken care of.

There is a reason why Yugo Mausers, SKS rifles, and AK's are well regarded. All of them are overbuilt and well made. Chinese SKS rifles are simpler, but they aren't better.

If anyone would care to refute this, please base your response on your own personal negative experiences and problems with 59/66 rifles. Not on what you read on the internet or heard from some retail clerk.
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The thing is that most of the "problems" are based on internet postings that were based on other internet postings that someone heard somewhere from some guy at some gun store.

Besides producing the 59/66, Yugoslavia also produced M67 ammo which is corrosive but considered great ammo. If a person buys a 59/66 in good condition, the gas valve is not an issue whatsoever if the rifle is taken care of.

There is a reason why Yugo Mausers, SKS rifles, and AK's are well regarded. All of them are overbuilt and well made. Chinese SKS rifles are simpler, but they aren't better.

If anyone would care to refute this, please base your response on your own personal negative experiences and problems with 59/66 rifles. Not on what you read on the internet or heard from some retail clerk.
I have had my Yugo 59/66 for about 10 years now. When I got it the barrel looked like a chimney pipe, you know, because they used corrosive ammo. I cleaned the hell out of it. It would not clean up vary well but still had defined rifling's.

When I tried to shoot it the rifle would jam and short cycle continually. So I was mad that I got a lemon rifle that acted like a fancy bolt action. I did my do diligence on the Internet and discovered numerous reports of Yugo 59/66 rifles having corroded gas shut off valves that caused sticky bolts and bolts sticking open with rounds in the magazine (all so a short cycle). Yugo model 59's did not have this problem because they do not have a gas shut off valve. The obvious solution was to replace the gas shut off valve with a preferable stainless steel one. Not a word about bad springs.

So I ordered a Stainless Steel Gas Shut Off Valve from someone and it COMPLETELY fixed my rifle. It has never malfunctioned again sense then.

Is this believable enough for you?
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This is one reason I wouldnt buy a YUGO sks

when you can still get a Chinese / Russian sks that doesnt have this problem

more parts = more problems

the gas valve is unnecessary on a standard sks without the grenade launcher

I would guess a YUGO sks with the gas valve would have poor reliability in places like Vietnam by the way they were used and stored in a harsh tropical environment

a Yugo sks would have had problems in Vietnam with the type of abuse the weapons used by the VC were exposed to, since the gas valve would have corroded easily in those field conditions.
How can you call yourself an SKS "collector" without an M59/66 in your pile? You can't dis any particular model of SKS. They may vary, but it's an SKS. What's not to love? PAX
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I have had my Yugo 59/66 for about 10 years now. When I got it the barrel looked like a chimney pipe, you know, because they used corrosive ammo. I cleaned the hell out of it. It would not clean up vary well but still had defined rifling's.

When I tried to shoot it the rifle would jam and short cycle continually. So I was mad that I got a lemon rifle that acted like a fancy bolt action. I did my do diligence on the Internet and discovered numerous reports of Yugo 59/66 rifles having corroded gas shut off valves that caused sticky bolts and bolts sticking open with rounds in the magazine (all so a short cycle). Yugo model 59's did not have this problem because they do not have a gas shut off valve. The obvious solution was to replace the gas shut off valve with a preferable stainless steel one. Not a word about bad springs.

So I ordered a Stainless Steel Gas Shut Off Valve from someone and it COMPLETELY fixed my rifle. It has never malfunctioned again sense then.

Is this believable enough for you?
Sure, it is believable, and thanks for posting. However, since your SKS was neglected and in poor condition when you received it, it is irrelevant to my earlier point.
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I went with the screw option.
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My gas valve looks brand spanking new and always will so long as I own the rifle. My rifle functioned perfectly after a careful 2 days of cleaning that included a lot of cosmoline removal. Maybe in 30 - 40 years it will need a new gas valve but I doubt it.
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