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Old 04-14-2009, 5:20 PM
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Default Pump shotguns with detachable mag?

Out of curiosity, I would like to know if there are any good pump shotguns with detachable mags out there. It seems as though if you want a shotgun with a detachable mag, it is always semi auto. I am just find it odd that having a detachable mag with a pump action is not too popular.
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Old 04-14-2009, 5:56 PM
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I could be wrong but i dont think you can have a shotgun with a detachable mag.
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Old 04-14-2009, 5:58 PM
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You can get the Knoxx Sidewinder kit for the Mossberg 500. Here's a pic of how it looks - this is not my gun. It looks kinda bulky and cumbersome, but I guess some people like it. I know there are a couple other pump guns with mags, just not exactly sure what they are...

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Old 04-14-2009, 5:59 PM
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I could be wrong but i dont think you can have a shotgun with a detachable mag.
You can have a pump shotgun with a detachable magazine. It's when you get into semi-auto shotguns that a detachable magazine is a no-no. But that's where a maglock comes into play, just like with an OLL - I have one on my Saiga.
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Old 04-14-2009, 6:07 PM
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You also can't have a pistol grip folding stock on an automatic shotgun. Pumps are A-OK!! My Mossberg 500 has a pistol grip top folding stock with heat shield on the barrel. Nice home defense gun.

Where can I get that kit pictured above and what's the price range on something like that?
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Old 04-14-2009, 6:09 PM
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You also have the Valtro shotguns. However they are expensive.
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Old 04-14-2009, 6:16 PM
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You also can't have a pistol grip folding stock on an automatic shotgun. Pumps are A-OK!! My Mossberg 500 has a pistol grip top folding stock with heat shield on the barrel. Nice home defense gun.

Where can I get that kit pictured above and what's the price range on something like that?
Knoxx doesn't make that kit any more, but I've seen them on sale here and on Gunbroker for anywhere between $300 and $600+! ...just gotta keep your eyes peeled...
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Old 04-14-2009, 6:18 PM
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Where can I get that kit pictured above and what's the price range on something like that?
Forget what the sidewinder was but the regular mags.were like $100 each.
And thats after you buy the kit.
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Old 04-15-2009, 9:04 AM
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I have the Knoxx Sidewinder kit on my 500 and it is a fun Range Gun, but it's not really a practical gun. A standard shotgun mag tube is much better. The Side winder is more of a novelty then anything, Plus I'll take it seems how it looks evil... And in California that's bonus points

The Sidewinder makes your shotgun front heavy. Knoxx made them really heavy duty, so they weigh alot... Then if you load up the 10 round drum (Which isn't really a drum, it's more of a Snail Mgazine) the shotgun gets really front heavy. The 6 round box max aren't as bad. Plus the 6 rounders are more reliable then the 10 when it comes to feeding. The 6 rounders also insert and lock up in the mag well alot better then the 10 rounder. Then again the 10 rounder gets extra evil points in california.... specially if you call it a drum.

I added a mesa tactical High tube adaptor to mine so that I could add the endine recoil absorbing stock. That help even out the front heavyness, but also added alot more wieght. So now I have 10lbs of evil PRK shotgun. lol

Anyways here are picture of mine.







-Mossberg 500
-Mosberg heat shield
-Knoxx Sidewinder (10round drum + 3 6 round Magazine)
-MesaTactical High tube adaptor
-Endine shot Stock
-Full length top rail
-El-Cheapo AR carry andle and front sight tower
-ATI muzzle rail w/ El Cheapo laser

10+lbs of useless fun







But as for other mag fed pumps, the only one I can think of is the Valtro. Which from everything I read is 100 times better then the Sidewinder. But they are equally hard to find. They were designed from the ground up as a magazine fed shotgun, so they feed more reliable then the sidewinder. Also the magazine inserts into the receiver so it sounds like it is better balanced then the sidwinder. The valtro also come with options for the stock. You can have a shoulder stock with pistol grip or a top folding wire stock with pistol grip. I'm not sure on barrel option with the valtro though. At least with the sidewinder on a Mossberg you pretty much have unlimited options for barrels. If I had the money and could find one I would not hesitate to buy a Valtro. They are equally if not more PRK evil then the Sidewinder, because they function that much better then the conversion kit.

Here's a link and pics...
http://www.valtrousa.com/shotguns.html

















There may be more magazine fed pumps, but that's all I can think of right now
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Old 04-15-2009, 9:38 AM
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If you don't mind me asking, how much did you pay for your knoxx sidewinder setup? Just wondering because I usually see them on gunbroker for $600!!
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I bought mine a few years ago for around $200 on EBAY
That was before they started banning all things cool. Now the only place I've seen them is on gunbroker and yes every one want's around $600 now
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EGAAADS! That is one gaudy SOB! It's like the Tammy Fay Baker of shotguns.
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You also can't have a pistol grip folding stock on an semi-automatic shotgun. Pumps are A-OK!! My Mossberg 500 has a pistol grip top folding stock with heat shield on the barrel. Nice home defense gun.

Where can I get that kit pictured above and what's the price range on something like that?
Fixed it for you. Terminology in those types of things is important. The anti's spread enough FUD
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Old 04-16-2009, 8:28 AM
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I bought mine a few years ago for around $200 on EBAY
That was before they started banning all things cool. Now the only place I've seen them is on gunbroker and yes every one want's around $600 now
Man $600 is just wayyyyyy too much I think to tacticool my mossy 500. I would rather save up and buy a semi or something.

Thanks! Speaking of gunbroker... Did anyone see that people are trying to sell the new ruger lcr for $1400!!
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Old 04-16-2009, 3:45 PM
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the valtro mags are kinda hard to find and expensive when you get them. The lenth of pull is also really long.
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Im kicking myself for selling my Valtro last year. Atleast it was to another Calgunner. The serial number was the last one imported into the US. Got it from John Jardine. He is the sole importer for Valtro.
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I got to shoot a valtro and it redefined everything I thought a shotgun should be!
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Old 04-23-2009, 12:24 PM
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Imagine a Pump action Saiga 12... It seems that however they made the PAR-1 that was on sale at Big 5 a while ago would work for that.

I'd definitely think that removable mags are worth giving up semi-auto. But it seems that the modification is more then a home changeover.

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How much would a Valtro cost these days if one could be found?
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Old 04-24-2009, 3:27 AM
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Around $800-1000.
Mags are around $100-150 each.
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