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Old 04-07-2009, 1:54 PM
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I am soon to buy a new AR-15 and I live in California so i have to get a Cal-legal one. I am looking to buy a complete AR-15 rifle and not just buy parts to build one. I am limited in spending at most a $1000. I have been thinking about the Stag Arms or Delton but Delton seems cheaper. Is Stag Arms the much better for me to spend an extra $200? What are your guys' opnions? Thanks in advance!
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I think you will be hard pressed to find a new AR-15 for $1000 unless you piece it together or if you have patience.
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Between those two options, I would suggest the Stag Rifle. Feel free to search Delton on Calguns and see what other threads come up. You may find a bunch of support for the advice I am dishing out. I own a stag upper that is very reliable. No failure to fire, no failure to eject. A friend of mine purchased a Delton upper and he had many problems with failure to eject the spent casing. They are less money, but you get what you pay for.
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+1 for the Stag. Stag Arms are also "Mil Spec". I own two of them and have not had any problems with either one.
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+1 for the Stag. Stag Arms are also "Mil Spec". I own two of them and have not had any problems with either one.
+2, I own a 2HT and I have never had a problem with it.

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There is a 5 - 7 month waiting list for Stags right now. I know because I'm on it.
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I can't say anything about stag but I have a del-ton chrome lined middy. The rifle runs great and I'm completely satisfied. If you are on a budget you might want to look into a kit. The uppers are complete and all you do is assemble the parts into the lower which is easy. Right now I'm on about month 4 and a half on a del-ton lightweight kit I'm waiting on. Here's a good place for stag kits. http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/page2.html Mark
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Both are fine. I have 7 del-ton rifles I built and they all run fine.
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I have a delton upper and have yet to have a single issue with it
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I have never had a Delton, but +1 more for the Stag. i owned a 2T and it was a great rifle.
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Right now I'm on about month 4 and a half on a del-ton lightweight kit I'm waiting on. Here's a good place for stag kits
Say Railroader, have you heard yet from Delton?
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I was going through the same delima ...so I'll just by A stag lower and probably upper complete if I don't see anything out there I like .....
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They are both decent.

Hell, I've built eight kits from Sherluck on top of Kaiser lowers and they were every bit as nice and functioned just as well as both of my Stag's. If you need to keep it on a budget go for the Delton.
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I would rather have a $500 delton and 250 bucks worth of ammo then spend all my money on a stag and not have the money for ammo
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Say Railroader, have you heard yet from Delton?
I called them last week. The barrel for my kit is backordered. When it comes in I'll be good to go. Hopefully in the month. Mark

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another plus 1 for the delton. I love mine and have had no problems with it that werent the cheap promags I have. I verified it was a mag problem also, for those that are curious.

I have over 600 rounds through mine, and was hitting iron at 300m with it first day out, no problems. runs great.
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Last time I checked, Stag's barrels are not Milspec (4150), but they are 4140 steel. What are Del-Ton's barrels made from?
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I am guessing 4140 also, from a quick google search
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How's everyone still doing with their econo-M4-geries? I say that with the utmost affection, having just ordered a Del-Ton RIA myself. The deciding factor for me was the light-colored MagPul furniture. Yes, I admit to being that shallow about looks.

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Buy yourself a complete lower and then a BCM upper of your choice no need to build simply assemble the two halves.

http://riflegear.com/c-93-complete-lower-receivers.aspx

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-...Groups-s/1.htm
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is mil spec really important for us civilians?!
just saying...seems like everyone on CGN is either in the millitary service, LEO or some spec op who kicks down doors on a daily bases...Im the only normal civilian here.
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I found it cheaper to build my own and it's really more fun. Building your own AR also adds a sense of accomplishment, like it's your original baby and nobody else out there has one exactly like yours.
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Buy yourself a complete lower and then a BCM upper of your choice no need to build simply assemble the two halves.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR15-...Groups-s/1.htm
Lot of BCM fans on this site... and that's all fine unless you want a 1/9 twist.
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I got one of the LMT's a couple months ago out of the 50 lot, $370, w/o bcg or c/h. But I have not shot it yet 1/7

There is a group buy going on now by Technique http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=335827
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Lot of BCM fans on this site... and that's all fine unless you want a 1/9 twist.
I personally feel the 1:7 is a bit more versatile. Not into shooting the lighter bullets myself and never shoot anything under 55Gr. so the 1:7 works great and allows the use of heavier bullets if needed.
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I personally feel the 1:7 is a bit more versatile. Not into shooting the lighter bullets myself and never shoot anything under 55Gr. so the 1:7 works great and allows the use of heavier bullets if needed.
1/9 is good for up into the 75gr range.
1/7 is only needed if you're getting heavier (longer) than the 80s.

Couple of photos posted here that show one "bullet" hole, and a dozen "little rips" in a target from shooting 55gr out of a 1/7. Spins the jacket clean off the core.

A 55gr round would be fine in a 1/12.... but I wouldn't buy a 1/12.
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I've got a Stag model 1 complete that I picked up from DD's Ranch and had shipped here to CA fully compliant. DD's was easy and smooth to deal with. I have been extremely happy with my Stag and would by another from Stag or DD's Ranch any day.
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http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/page2.html


Stag 2H complete upper / LPK / 6 pos. stock / filp up rear sight

$614.00 shipped
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Stag offers Lifetime warranty, what about Del-ton?
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Check out Spikes Tactical. GREAT Rifles.

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/inde...p24gajnoaajst2
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1/9 is good for up into the 75gr range.
1/7 is only needed if you're getting heavier (longer) than the 80s.
Very true, my 1/9 likes 69SMKs and the 1/8 digs the Berger 80 & 90VLDs. The diss on 1/9 is undeserved in my experience.

And +1 for Stag while we're here....

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an aquaintance of mine had a delton, his biggest complaint was the reciever. is this just a gun that you are goin to drag around and plink with, or are you wanting a reasonably accurate and reliable firearm? motel 6 or hilton?
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Stag Arms. Got 2 (Model1 and Model2). both run flawless. but i'd go for Daniel Defense or BCM, think they're bout the same price...right?

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much cheaper then when i got mine 2 yrs back
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NECRO-BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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How's everyone still doing with their econo-M4-geries? I say that with the utmost affection, having just ordered a Del-Ton RIA myself. The deciding factor for me was the light-colored MagPul furniture. Yes, I admit to being that shallow about looks.

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I had heard mixed reviews from the econo-m4gery guys. Hate to say this, but its like 50/50. Many people with Del-Ton and M1S m4gerys are having major issues now. I will say this, most of the rifles with troubles were made in the high demand days.

I feel Del-ton, M1S and DPMS pulled a "Blackthorne" and rushed rifles past QA in an effort to get the sales numbers up. Fear not there are just as many guys with great rifles from these companies. Time will tell if you need to work on yours.

I think DPMS had less of a problem, since they are a level headed well tuned AR15 company. Many companies pulled this crap on us..VLtor, Bushmaster, Spikes..they all screwed us hard.

Many people have forgiven Spikes, and VLtor, but it seems the hate for BM is still high. This is the second time BM has rushed rifles out the door with no regard for the consumer.

Since the demand has come down, most companies (who are not Vulcan, Blackthorne and hesse) have increased QA. It has nothing to do with "responsible customer service". Its a cost / profit issue. During the high demand times, it made more sense to sell a bad weapon and deal with an angry customer. The sales figures helped both bank lending loans and kept current sales quarters figures high. Now that demand is normal, it cost less to QA then to RMA.

I think Del-ton kits are fine now.
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Buy BCM. Don't buy Delton. If you must, Stag is better but not by much.
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FWIW my Del-Ton upper has not one failure to date Feeds and shoots acurately everything I've fed it. DTI is a great "noob" AR IMHO.. But for those that actually do their homework instead of rushing into the AR craze, I reccomend BCM or LMT and such
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Very true, my 1/9 likes 69SMKs and the 1/8 digs the Berger 80 & 90VLDs. The diss on 1/9 is undeserved in my experience.

And +1 for Stag while we're here....
And FWIW, the Ruger SR556 is a 1/9 twist.
The original mil-spec M16 was 1/12 (which is admittedly not enough)... the 1/7 was developed for the 85gr tracers.
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LIFETIME WARRANTY on the Stag.

Centennial Machine and Tool owner - Ted Malkowski, been making M16 & AR15 parts since the Vietnam war. Stag Arms owner - Mark Malkowski (Son of Ted).

I like Stag for their lifetime warranty that makes up for the few non-milspec parts they use. (which in doing so saves the customer money but still gives them a quality gun)

If I were to buy top shelf...I'd go BCM.

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