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Old 03-31-2009, 1:59 AM
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I went out looking for some heavy grain .223 bullets to reload for my 1:7 twist rate mid-length upper made by Bravo Company. The guy behind the counter asks why and I tell him my gun isn't grouping the way I want it to with the 55gr stuff and he asks what brand my AR-15 is. I tell him Bravo Company and he proceeds to tell me it's my rifle and that it is bottom of the barrel quality and that the only good stuff out there is Colt and Noveske. I didn't feel like arguing with the kid since he obviously thought he knew everything. I just laughed in my head as he proceeded to tell me his stag would group 0.5 inches at 100 yards with 55 gr bullets and if my gun wasn't doing that then obviously it was my gun. He could be right, but to say the Bravo Company uppers are bad is just ridiculous. I like the upper personally and have read a lot of outstanding reviews on the company. What do you guys think of the Bravo Company stuff. On top of that they wouldn't sell me a box of primers they would only sell me 100-300 primers only for $5 a box.
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Old 03-31-2009, 2:01 AM
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bullcrap! Your BCM upper is just fine. I would take it over a stag any day.
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Name of store?
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His stag is a 1 in 9 twist. Yours is 1 in 7. Yours dosent stabalize the smaller grain bullets as well. I would definately look for something hevier. And by the way I would tak a BCM over a stag any day. Even though I have a stag.
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Bravo Company is good stuff. I used to shop there when I lived in WI.
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I'd love to see those .5 groups.
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My Stag will group 1" to 1.5" with my range pick-up brass reloads. I'm thinking it will do better with match grade ammo. But I'm not a young kid that works in a gun shop.

Did they have a huge stock of Stags?

$5 for 100 primers? I hope they are the bench rest type.
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This is clearly a case of "if you didn't buy it here it's no good" I would find another gun shop.
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Yea I agree that they would rather have you buy from them. It's unfortunate that the one guy had a bad attitude, there were other employees that had a better attitude and the owner was actually very nice. So I won't ding the store for one bad seed. They had a 50 DTC in the shop for sale too it was awesome. They are also one of the few places that tries to stock gun powder as well.
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When my BCM 1-7 arrived, the Stag 1-9 was sold.

The BCM groups 55gr and up much better than the Stag did (for me).

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I really dislike it when gun store counter people start to talk trash on other companies.

I have zero tolerance, and walk out.

Do yourself a favor, ask your questions here, and you'll get an honest reply on how to fix most of your gun problems.
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I went out looking for some heavy grain .223 bullets to reload for my 1:7 twist rate mid-length upper made by Bravo Company. The guy behind the counter asks why and I tell him my gun isn't grouping the way I want it to with the 55gr stuff and he asks what brand my AR-15 is. I tell him Bravo Company and he proceeds to tell me it's my rifle and that it is bottom of the barrel quality and that the only good stuff out there is Colt and Noveske. I didn't feel like arguing with the kid since he obviously thought he knew everything. I just laughed in my head as he proceeded to tell me his stag would group 0.5 inches at 100 yards with 55 gr bullets and if my gun wasn't doing that then obviously it was my gun. He could be right, but to say the Bravo Company uppers are bad is just ridiculous. I like the upper personally and have read a lot of outstanding reviews on the company. What do you guys think of the Bravo Company stuff. On top of that they wouldn't sell me a box of primers they would only sell me 100-300 primers only for $5 a box.

Don't go to that store anymore!!!! The store owner doesn't know what he's talking about. Generally speaking all the rifles made today are of good quality including the barrels made in the USA. I'll bet you have a large amount of copper that need to be removed. Try Birchwood Casey's Bore Scrubber and a good soaking before you start brushing. I'll bet you'll see green patches coming out!!!

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I'd love to see those .5 groups.

I have a guy here who pulls out the same target and i've heard the story probably 10 times by now about the gun in the counter shot this group at 50' and how great it is. Thing is, its always a different gun that he's talking about.
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When my BCM 1-7 arrived, the Stag 1-9 was sold.

The BCM groups 55gr and up much better than the Stag did (for me).

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This is my experience exactly.

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BravoCo is good stuff.

Sorry, but if you're rifle isn't grouping well with 55gr ammo, it's lousy ammo or lousy shooter (or both).

Quality 55gr ammo shoots just fine out of my Bushy, Colt and Noveske uppers and I suspect it will out of your BCM upper as well.
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It's required that all gun shops have at least one kid in the shop that knows it all and is ready and willing to crap on your stuff. I have never come across a salesman of any type that actually really knows their product and the competing products.
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Bill,

I agree on both counts. I am working on my shooting trust me I am. I honestly think it's me more than the rifle itself. I also have only been able to shoot it with an Aimpoint Red Dot sight so as soon as I get some glass on top I'll check the 55 gr bullets one more time.
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Bravo Co uppers are great.
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I'd love to see those .5 groups.
Same, it took me a varmint upper, 2.5lb trigger and handloads to get 55 grainers .5" @ 100yards.
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I really dislike it when gun store counter people start to talk trash on other companies.
Heh, I have a story about this from when I was a kid.

I was really into trains & my grandparents got me an HO scale locomotive that was really cool. I go to the local toy train store & the owner proceeds to tell me that it was a "piece of junk" and rants and raves about it in front of my mother and I (I was 9 years old).

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I tell him Bravo Company and he proceeds to tell me it's my rifle and that it is bottom of the barrel quality and that the only good stuff out there is Colt and Noveske. I didn't feel like arguing with the kid since he obviously thought he knew everything.
Yeah, everyone's a critic...

I really can't say much, though. I've got one of those atrocious DPMS uppers that everyone likes to bag on...

I hate know-it-alls...
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The sad part is that the guy could really drive off some potential customers and in this economy you can't afford to lose any potential business. This panic buying will end some time and when it does the guys who were gouging everyone with bad attitudes might suffer some losses since customers like to go where they are welcome and treated fairly.
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I agree. If I stopped shopping at ever store where I've had an experience with a know-it-all employee, I wouldn't have anyplace left to shop.
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My Stag will group 1" to 1.5" with my range pick-up brass reloads. I'm thinking it will do better with match grade ammo. But I'm not a young kid that works in a gun shop.

Did they have a huge stock of Stags?

$5 for 100 primers? I hope they are the bench rest type.
Hey, age does not necessarily translate into good/bad shooting skills. Im young and I produced this group with a busted up bushy upper that I got a hand drill, bore brush, and rod and brushed the crap out of the allegedly crappy barrel that was once coated with ungodly amounts of moly from coated bullets. I used American eagle 62gr sp and a 4x scope. Dont pay attention to the flier at the top (I blame it on the ammo)


Not too bad for a young guy shooting cheap ammo out of what should have been a screwed up barrel.
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I went out looking for some heavy grain .223 bullets to reload for my 1:7 twist rate mid-length upper made by Bravo Company. The guy behind the counter asks why and I tell him my gun isn't grouping the way I want it to with the 55gr stuff and he asks what brand my AR-15 is. I tell him Bravo Company and he proceeds to tell me it's my rifle and that it is bottom of the barrel quality and that the only good stuff out there is Colt and Noveske. I didn't feel like arguing with the kid since he obviously thought he knew everything. I just laughed in my head as he proceeded to tell me his stag would group 0.5 inches at 100 yards with 55 gr bullets and if my gun wasn't doing that then obviously it was my gun. He could be right, but to say the Bravo Company uppers are bad is just ridiculous. I like the upper personally and have read a lot of outstanding reviews on the company. What do you guys think of the Bravo Company stuff. On top of that they wouldn't sell me a box of primers they would only sell me 100-300 primers only for $5 a box.
Ask him out to the range so he can fire your BC rifle and show you what's wrong... tell him to bring his Stag.

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Once he denies you, PLEASE tell us his excuse! I hear nothing but good things about BCM stuff. Havent heard about them until recently but like I said, all reviews are good
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