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Old 03-30-2009, 8:45 AM
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Default Most Accurate Off-The-Shelf AR in .223

Hi fellow CalGunners!

I am very new to rifles, especially to the higher caliber ones. I currently have a Spikes AR-22 and a GSG-5 (sold my 10/22T) - so basically all .22LR rifles. Now, I would like to get another AR in .223 that's accurate for target range use. My budget is $1800 to $2500 for the complete rifle. Please show me the way! Noveske? LaRue? Sig? Daniel Defense?
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I've read reports (and seen targets) that show an Olympic Arms AR shooting quarter-MOA groups. I'm not sure which model it was, national-match something or other. With that budget, you should be able to pick up an out-of-the-box accurate AR or trick out a standard model with match parts. Good luck, let us know what you go with!
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IMHO that upper from MSTN is over-priced. LaRue Stealth 18" or 20" is a rock solid precision upper and is only $1209 shipped. non-chrome lined (more precise, but gotta clean it better), 5.56, wylde chamber, etc.
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With your budget, I think you can buy a custom AR. I personally had an experience with Compass Lake Engineering rifles and they are superb. Check their website.

http://www.compasslake.com/
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If you want a Noveske, I have a N4 light Basic and test fired a few rounds but I am not sure how accurate it is becus i wasnt taking groups! Maybe someone on here has info on how accurate they are!
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White Oak Armament, tack drivers.....
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It's really hard to say who's upper/barrel is most accurate; it comes down to finding a load that works well with the particular barrel.

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I have a tack-driving Olympic Arms PCR-1 that shoots quarter MOA from the factory (less with hand-loads and VLD bullets loaded manually - too long for the magazine). I miss shooting it - it's out of state because it's a listed receiver. As soon as I get an OLL I plan on re-building it and bringing it back.
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Keep 'em coming! Thanks for the initial replies - I am taking notes on everything. Let's focus on:

1). Brand new - I don't care if I have to wait
2). $1800-2500 for complete rifle
3). Accurate for target range (as accurate as money above permits)
4). "Off-the-shelf" since I am new to these. I am better at reverse engineering anyways

Please name a specific Brand and Model if possible.
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3). Accurate for target range (as accurate as money above permits)
4). "Off-the-shelf" since I am new to these. I am better at reverse engineering anyways

#3 and #4 are almost contradictory

ARs are super easy to build, especially ar-15's where almost all parts work together

If you can't deal with putting together a complete AR-15, probably shouldn't own one to begin with. Plus no matter what complete rifle you buy, your going to end up throwing out stuff and putting different parts in.

Just my opinion

what you want for a super-accurate ar-15:

1) Quality optics, a good rifle is no good with crappy optics
2) any decent lower, doesn't matter much
3) 20-24" stainless barrel, 1:8 or 1:7 twist, fluted if you want less weight, bull barrel heats up less
4) Wylde chamber....used on lots of competition guns, not necessary though
5) Freefloat forearm
6) Bipod
7) nice stock to get good cheek weld and proper length of pull, like Magpul PRS
8) good trigger group, Timmney 3-4 lb , Giessee, Chip McCormick or two stage (RRA, LMT, Bushmaster)

Rock River Varmint or Predator Pursuits or Coyotes or NM are very good out of the box and in your price range

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=228

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=229

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=230

http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.c...ategory_id=226

If you can get them for MSRP, slap a nice scope and PRS stock on them and your at your $2-2.5k budget

JP Rifles are also nice and used by alot of target shooters, but doesn't leave you much extra money for optics

DPMS mini-SASS looks nice:

http://www.dpmsinc.com/store/products/?prod=4711

http://www.policemag.com/Articles/20...***-Rifle.aspx

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I've had good luck with my JT distributing bull barrel upper, I know it's not a high doller upper but it's been great so far. I can get about 1MOA with the stock trigger with all the ammo I've tried except PPU match which shoots about 2-3MOA. I thought it was good quality ammo that shoots really accurate but not in this upper for some reason.
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http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com...reat-accuracy/

http://accurateshooter.wordpress.com...rie-dog-rifle/

http://www.6mmar.com/
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My Noveske N4 Recce was almost perfect when I got it.
It has Troy BUIS sights on it. I flipped them up and they were zeroed at 100.

The weird thing was, when I dropped my ACOG on it, the red dot Docter sight was also zeroed. I had to do some minor elevation adjustment on the x4 scope, but the windage was also dead on.

So that might have been the one I got, but that's the most accurate in my experience.

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It really boils down to Compass Lake and WOA in my opinion.
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How do you consider a .223 as a "higher caliber" rifle? That's a pretty small caliber. Here is a high caliber rifle:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EVqT3XEzss
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If you can't deal with putting together a complete AR-15, probably shouldn't own one to begin with.
What a bunch of B.S. A good post otherwise though...
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AR15s are super easy to put together, there are videos of 6 years olds field stripping them in minutes

I've been a good builder put together a lower in under 5 minutes, i've only built about a dozen ARs, so I can assemble a lower in about 10 minutes...first one took me about 30 minutes

If you can't properly assemble an AR, then probably you can't figure out how to properly clean and take care of it......and I don't want to shoot next to you when it jams or blows up




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I have never shot one, Though I have never heard a complaint about the JP CTR-02 or JP-15

http://www.jprifles.com/

I would also suggest getting a basic OLL build and get lots of time on the range. This hones your skill and you can start saving brass to reload. The most expensive accurate rifle will never be its best with factory ammo. You need to build your own load for your rifle.
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If you can't properly assemble an AR, then probably you can't figure out how to properly clean and take care of it
Thats nice that your mechanically inclined. I happen to be lucky in that regard as well.

However, not everyone is so inclined and I don't think that someone who can shoot/clean a rifle just fine should be turned away from an AR just because they are inclined to buy an AR off the shelf, rather than build one.

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I would expect a huge percentage of shooters at public ranges bought their firearms. You should probably avoid public ranges if you feel that only firearms builders are safe to shoot next to.
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I can't say it's THE most accurate because it's NIB.

It has a bb and 10/30 in the pic.
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Just build one yourself. You will find it very rewarding, and in that price range you can put together a mighty fine AR my friend.
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If you are going to park your butt on a bench and shoot I have no idea what is the most accurate gun.

If you are going to shoot action matches I don't know which is the most accurate either.

If you are going to shoot action matches and want the winningest rifle then it's the www.mstn.biz in the scoped tactical class, or any class.

The top 2 action rifles come from www.mstn.biz, www.jprifles.com. www.triangleshootingsprots.com gets honorable mention.
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