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Old 02-25-2009, 8:40 PM
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I think the fact that they still haven't updated the AW information on the DOJ BOF website is an "underground regulation". It still has "series" info and lots of stuff that doesn't apply anymore. Why don't we go after that?
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I am greatful for the few "foundations, associations, etc..." that are on OUR side of the 2nd Amendment.

I am even MORE thankful for the people who, not only talk the talk, but walk the walk when it comes for standing up for our RIGHTS!

When I get my tax refund tomorrow you can be sure that The Calguns Foundation will be getting some of it!

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This is just so f*in pretty.
Don't you love it when a plan comes together? Even if you didn't really plan it?

Wow.



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Just love it! It is so very satisfying to see them choke on their own words! A.M. is going to have a very bad day tomorrow...

Gene and all: Thank You!

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I think the fact that they still haven't updated the AW information on the DOJ BOF website is an "underground regulation". It still has "series" info and lots of stuff that doesn't apply anymore. Why don't we go after that?
We can/will if necessary but this is more direct and the side effects have some near- immediate favorable results.
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Poor Alison. She's going to have to spend so much of her hard-earned cash on kleenex after she sees this. You know, we'd all be totally nice to her if she'd just stop being evil...
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Poor Alison. She's going to have to spend so much of her hard-earned cash on kleenex after she sees this. You know, we'd all be totally nice to her if she'd just stop being evil...
This sounds like a line from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

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This sounds like a line from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.


I hadn't noticed, but you're absolutely right!

I loved that show, although it lost some of its appeal to me when Willow hooked up with whatsherface, the annoying witch. I also like a lot of Joss Wheadon's other work... particularly Firefly.
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I loved that show, although it lost some of its appeal to me when Willow hooked up with whatsherface, the annoying witch. I also like a lot of Joss Wheadon's other work... particularly Firefly.
I'm afraid I'm the sort who thought season 2 was best, but I stuck it out for the whole show. Really everything is a let-down after the season of Evil Spike and Scary Dru. I never think TV shows are actually scary, but insane evil did-I-mention-INSANE Dru was just *creepy* to the point of being the exception.

I haven't watched any of his other stuff. In fact, Buffy may be the last show I watched.

Nah, we're not off-topic at all.

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Oh, if you liked Buffy, you'd probably like Firefly, too. It couldn't decide whether it was a western or a space opera, and in fact, it was the only western I ever liked. It has Joss's usual spot-on casting and his talents for understatement and witty dialog. The special effects were great, too. Like all of Joss's work that I've ever seen, there's the expected frail-looking mega-deadly cute girl. Joss also isn't afraid of killing off a star if it's right for the plot. It also lives on the gray line between moral right and wrong, much like Buffy did. Great stuff.

Sample dialog: "Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly reaching a middle."

Oh, big guns, too. I even named one of my registered .50's after a gun in the show: Vera.

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Summary: Alison tried to bury us in paperwork. She ended up handing us evidence we can use against her attempts to exceed the law.

Sometimes it just hurts being this good.
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Is Jerry Brown aware of this crap? It could affect him in a bad way if the media or his competitors for the Governor's seat get a hold of it.
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Summary: Alison tried to bury us in paperwork. She ended up handing us evidence we can use against her attempts to exceed the law.

Sometimes it just hurts being this good.
I find it truly amazing that she still has her job.

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if this is what we can expect from her, maybe we should have a save Alison's job plan in place just in case some tries to get smart and fire her.
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Well I think the way the government works, when a PRAR is filed, the PRAR employee gathers all documents they can find and then they submit that to their supervisor to verify that anything they are disclosing CAN be sent out of house.

Therefore I don't think that A.M. is the person that is catching any flack for this, but the PRAR employee is probably taking it in the a*s for releasing info that is making A.M. job more difficult.
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It's bad news for us, every time a letter like Mrs. Merrilees' goes out. Manufactures/Importers and you average out of state Seller, become less motivated to do business here in CA...
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Seems as though things are coming together like siamese prostitutes.
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If you go to the DOJ website to look up "Assault Weapons" laws why does the text still say:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

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If you go to the DOJ website to look up "Assault Weapons" laws why does the text still say:

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:

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As MM says, that's the law. What some parts of DOJ seem to be attempting is to re-interpret the law without the formality of legal rule-making, and that's a no-no. It's especially a no-no because the re-interpretation is contrary to existing regs.
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Thank you Gene! Reading the letter you linked to in post 13 really put a smile on my face. Also, the fact you gave her two weeks to respond and you really meant two weeks is just beautiful.
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Thank you Gene and to all who have worked so hard to fight this...
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Outstanding work guys. Can't wait to read this...stuck in meetings in socal at the moment...

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I just might get Gene Hoffman tattooed on me............mmmm may be in TWO WEEKS......thanks for the hard work!!!!!
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I just might get Gene Hoffman tattooed on me............
OK, now that's starting to get disturbing. I want to hear absolutely nothing about *where*, please.

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Ok I read the ENTIRE thread and links and attachments, as a new ar15 bullet button owner...just finished the build this week...What exactly does this mean? In basics terms please.

By the way, I am a lifetime CA resident and gun owner NRA member and just found this site? I would like to personally THANK everyone involved in my absense, but now will be active...I have already donated...more to come as funds permit.

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Does anyone currently have the Calguns logo tattooed on them?
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Ok I read the ENTIRE thread and links and attachments, as a new ar15 bullet button owner...just finished the build this week...What exactly does this mean? In basics terms please.

By the way, I am a lifetime CA resident and gun owner NRA member and just found this site? I would like to personally THANK everyone involved in my absense, but now will be active...I have already donated...more to come as funds permit.

Thank you!
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It means that the California Code of Regulations defines what a 'detachable magazine' is, and part of the DOJ wants to change that definition without going through the proper procedures. The petition Gene filed is a legal way of telling the DOJ that such changes are illegal, and asking for the Office of Administrative Law to slap their fingers.

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But it would be funny if someone took the flag and slung an EBR over the bear's back.

Right to arm bears and all...
I really like that idea. An unofficial Calguns logo? Secret recognition symbol for CA gun owners after the UN troops start kicking in doors and confiscating the weapons?

Should be useful for something good, anyway. What about on a t-shirt?

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I really like that idea. An unofficial Calguns logo? Secret recognition symbol for CA gun owners after the UN troops start kicking in doors and confiscating the weapons?

Should be useful for something good, anyway. What about on a t-shirt?

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