[anony mouse]

In response to discussions about this map kinda threadjacking another thread, I am starting it here to keep that one cleaner.

I am friends with the person that is doing the map, I will be passing along any comments or suggestions about it to him.

http://www.0xdecafbad.com/gfsz has Google Map integration and is trying to get all the schools that qualify in the state of California plotted on the map.

Currently it only has private schools due to a lack of a suitable source for charter and public schools. He has contacted the Dept of Education for the state to try to get an address listing of all the missing schools.

This map is a work in progress, its also the first one he has done so expect bugs to be present.

Any comments, suggestions, etc would be passed on to the author of the page.

[KWA-S]

Cool map. For the public schools, you might have to go district to district.

Do you have plans for including universities/colleges? Maybe as a different color (seeing as a different law prohibits protection on university property)?

[Piper]

I think it's still useful. It gives you a general idea where all of the schools are. Unfortunately, it also gives a madman the location of all of the free fire zones that are available in an area. And that's really what our childrens and grandchildren's schools are.

[mblat]

Well.....
I appreciate the effort, but like you said - it is truly inpomplete. Missing schools my kids used to/currently go to

Originally Posted by mblat

Well.....
I appreciate the effort, but like you said - it is truly inpomplete. Missing schools my kids used to/currently go to

It doesn't have any public schools yet, they're working on that. It is a great idea and I know there were a couple other, similar projects out there if you care to search.

[alexander]

Great. Mandatory open carry detour required to pass through Santa Barbara.

[dilligaffrn]

Originally Posted by alexander

Great. Mandatory open carry detour required to pass through Santa Barbara.

San Marcos High and La Cumbre Jr. High will probably overlap 101 as well...

[yellowfin]

Wow, about 6 zones in my area, so I'm guessing with the public schools added to this OC is a no go for me unless things really improve on the CCW front.

[Dmitri76]

For those zones that overlap a freeway, or simply in an area where you do not live, or visit often - Would you be expected to "reasonably know" that you are within 1000 ft of a school ?

[CCWFacts]

Originally Posted by alexander

Great. Mandatory open carry detour required to pass through Santa Barbara.

Basically any urban area is going to be like a maze of school zones.

Actually, that's good for us. If it were reasonable and practical to bear arms without violating this law, maybe the law would be more defensible. As it is, anyone who lives in an urban city in this state can show that he would have to be spiderman (climbing on rooftops and the sides of buildings) to be able to stay out of safety-free mass-murder zones school zones.

[megavolt121]

Can he migrate this map over to Google Earth and share the map, that way you don't lose any of the features of google maps. For example, I noticed immediately on his site, I lost all capabilities of using my scroll wheel to zoom.

[Librarian]

School zones are K-12, so Universities and Colleges don't need the 1000' zones labeled; but without CCW it's not usually legal to bring a gun onto campus.

Similar Google Earth image, with .kml file marking some of the 600+ things Google recognizes as a 'school'.



Usual qualifications: not all schools marked, 1000' is approximate, circles centered on the lat/long Google has as the street address rather than the property boundaries.

And, as I remember doing this, I realize I did put in SF State, so a couple of those circles at the south end of 19th avenue in this pic really shouldn't be there.

[yellowfin]

I always knew SF was diseased by leftism. This picture proves it.

[Fate]

I saw a "Safe School Zone Bus Stop" sign the other day.

The city bus stop is outside of the 1000 ft. perimeter. I wonder how far around the bus stop the "school zone" applies. Might have to swing back by there some day and get a better look at the sign.

[slappomatt]

I would be willing to give a list of public schools in my area. but it would only be a local area in SD. is there a blog or anything where we could post addresses to be added to the DB?

[7x57]

Hmm, it doesn't show St. Elizabeth's Catholic school in Altadena, just about at Woodbury and Lake. I imagine that school qualifies as possessing the magic zone, it's something like K-8.

7x57

[grywlfbg]

Originally Posted by yellowfin2

I always knew SF was diseased by leftism. This picture proves it.

Where "leftism" is described as "people who go to school"? What a terrible disease.

[aemergin]

Hi, this is my first post here but thought I could share some data for the map (great idea btw!) ..

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/si/ds/pubschls.asp

There you can download the full database of all California schools - type, address, even has latitude and longitude if it helps. Also, those files are maintained and updated daily (supposedly) so if you could find a way to map it as your data for your google map .. it would be some extra code but worth it in the end.

Aemergin / Erik

Originally Posted by aemergin

Hi, this is my first post here but thought I could share some data for the map (great idea btw!) ..

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/si/ds/pubschls.asp

There you can download the full database of all California schools - type, address, even has latitude and longitude if it helps. Also, those files are maintained and updated daily (supposedly) so if you could find a way to map it as your data for your google map .. it would be some extra code but worth it in the end.

Aemergin / Erik

EXCELLENT first post!

[yellowfin]

Originally Posted by grywlfbg

Where "leftism" is described as "people who go to school"? What a terrible disease.

from what I've come to understand lately of schools, the two seem to go hand in hand around here. Other than that, I was implying that the map looks like it is covered by a pox. Considering that the pox indicates legal gun free zones, it is indeed a societal disease.

Originally Posted by grywlfbg

Where "leftism" is described as "people who go to school"? What a terrible disease.

I totally missed the point too.

[grammaton76]

Remember to pad ALL of those circles by a generous amount - if the circle is centered on the school and the school grounds are 1000 feet across, it does NOT mean that you may safely open carry on the sidewalk past the gates of the school unmolested. For safety's sake, it's a 1000' radius extending uniformly around the property line.

(Grabs popcorn to wait for the "crap, now you're creating a way that we should have 'reasonably known' we were violating a school zone!")

[7x57]

It just occurred to me that homeschoolers have to declare themselves to be private schools. Do they then magically create a 1000' gun-free zone around their houses? Words fail to express how much that would suck.

OTOH IIRC you can have a gun on school grounds with the principal's written permission. Perhaps I should start the "Davey Crockett school of larnin' and marksmanship". As principal and beloved leader, I declare that no one is allowed on campus without a firearm.

7x57

[grammaton76]

Given that home schoolers aren't funded, I think they don't get counted. And there's no way to have "reasonably known".

Further complications arise from the concept of a home schooler's field trip - could that become a temporary roving school zone? Particularly if the family lives in an RV...?

[7x57]

Originally Posted by grammaton76

Given that home schoolers aren't funded, I think they don't get counted. And there's no way to have "reasonably known".

Of course they could not have reasonably known, but it probably would cost $THOUSAND to make the state admit that. It's a harassment tool.

Further complications arise from the concept of a home schooler's field trip - could that become a temporary roving school zone? Particularly if the family lives in an RV...?

Good God, the antis could set up roving squads to blanket an area with roving zones anytime they get win of an OC event.

Well, that's if they could bring themselves not to use gubmint funded education, anyway.

7x57

[Cypren]

Originally Posted by 7x57

Good God, the antis could set up roving squads to blanket an area with roving zones anytime they get win of an OC event.

Well, that's if they could bring themselves not to use gubmint funded education, anyway.

No, no, you need to think of this like a proper card-carrying member of the far left. What's the only thing they hate more than gun owners? HOMESCHOOLERS! Those vile brats aren't being properly indoctrinated to worship the State and its bureaucrats, and they're costing teachers' unions and administrators their fair share of the government piggy bank!

How can we fix this problem? Easy!

Tell the homeschool kids there's an Airsoft match going on at location X where there's an open carry meetup going, and anyone with a gun is a fair game!

...yeah, I have a twisted mind.

[nick]

Originally Posted by Piper

I think it's still useful. It gives you a general idea where all of the schools are. Unfortunately, it also gives a madman the location of all of the free fire zones that are available in an area. And that's really what our childrens and grandchildren's schools are.

The madmen are the ones who passed this law.

[anony mouse]

Originally Posted by megavolt121

Can he migrate this map over to Google Earth and share the map, that way you don't lose any of the features of google maps. For example, I noticed immediately on his site, I lost all capabilities of using my scroll wheel to zoom.

that should be enabled now, and the circle size is back to 1000 feet (although they are only octogons now to reduce the load of the app).

[aemergin]

Did that database of schools do you any good? Will we see that incorporated in the future?

Aemergin / Erik

[anony mouse]

Originally Posted by Fate

I saw a "Safe School Zone Bus Stop" sign the other day.

The city bus stop is outside of the 1000 ft. perimeter. I wonder how far around the bus stop the "school zone" applies. Might have to swing back by there some day and get a better look at the sign.

Its a "safe school zone" not a "gun free school zone" the statute does not recognize these, although state law is free to make the entire state a zone of some type :/

[anony mouse]

Originally Posted by aemergin

Hi, this is my first post here but thought I could share some data for the map (great idea btw!) ..

http://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/si/ds/pubschls.asp

There you can download the full database of all California schools - type, address, even has latitude and longitude if it helps. Also, those files are maintained and updated daily (supposedly) so if you could find a way to map it as your data for your google map .. it would be some extra code but worth it in the end.

Aemergin / Erik

Thanks, will pass that along, that is the same site that the private schools came from. It seemed that the public ones were not as obvious to the creator of that page. The charter ones appear to only be in html format, which is less than suitable, so if anyone knows of a xls or csv or similar listing of charter ones then that can be done too.

Expect these to be added tonight.

[anony mouse]

Originally Posted by 7x57

It just occurred to me that homeschoolers have to declare themselves to be private schools. Do they then magically create a 1000' gun-free zone around their houses? Words fail to express how much that would suck.

that is a question for debate, but many legislators indicated that yes, yes it does because of the way that the statute defines "school"

18 USC 921(a)

(25) The term “school zone” means—
(A) in, or on the grounds of, a public, parochial or private school; or
(B) within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public, parochial or private school.
(26) The term “school” means a school which provides elementary or secondary education, as determined under State law.

Basically if you home school your kids you arent allowed to have guns in your house, and anyone that knows you homeschool and is within 1000 feet and not on private property or any of the other exceptions cant have them either.

Given that homeschool addresses are not disclosed however its hard to "know or reasonably should have known" that they are there.

[7x57]

Originally Posted by anony mouse

Basically if you home school your kids you arent allowed to have guns in your house,

This I very much doubt. IIRC the principal can give anyone permission to possess a gun on campus.

I guess I should track it down in the PC.

7x57

[Timberline]

While the Google map application is a useful rough tool, its inherent weakness is the arbitrary polygonal radius it uses from a single lat/lon point. School yards are large, and often strangely-shaped. A proper GIS tool, such as provided by ESRI, which can project a boundary of 1000 feet from an arbitrary shape, might be the best source for accurate boundary maps handed out at gunshops and Police stations. The Google map will come close, but should only be used for "entertainment" purposes, as the current link advises.

It sure seems there's good cause for having the Authorities bear the cost of this (producing maps for handout), since they imposed the law on us.

[yellowfin]

Originally Posted by anony mouse

Its a "safe school zone" not a "gun free school zone" the statute does not recognize these, although state law is free to make the entire state a zone of some type :/

For 70%+ of the population the state is a no CCW zone.

[anony mouse]

Originally Posted by yellowfin2

For 70%+ of the population the state is a no CCW zone.

it may be higher than that, I heard that 90% of the residents in CA live in urban areas, which generally are the ones that do not like CCWs because we should rely on the rampart and bart police to protect us :/

[pullnshoot25]

THIS IS AWESOME! Great start, I commend your efforts!

[Piper]

Originally Posted by nick

The madmen are the ones who passed this law.

Yeah well, you won't get an argument from me.

Originally Posted by grammaton76

Remember to pad ALL of those circles by a generous amount - if the circle is centered on the school and the school grounds are 1000 feet across, it does NOT mean that you may safely open carry on the sidewalk past the gates of the school unmolested. For safety's sake, it's a 1000' radius extending uniformly around the property line.

(Grabs popcorn to wait for the "crap, now you're creating a way that we should have 'reasonably known' we were violating a school zone!")

Actually if you have a local map on you when you are OCing it does create a situation in which you should have "reasonably known" this is EXACTLY why you DO NOT want to pad the circle. If you pad the circle by say 200' but you get stopped 100' into the circle you might be sort of safe but you have a reason to believe that you might be in violation. If you make the circles EXACTLY 1000' then just stay clear of the shaded areas you have taken reasonable measures to identify GFSZs and you also made conscious effort to obey the law. As long as you are out of the "red zone" you cannot be expected to have "reasonably known" that you were violating. Keep the circles exact and stay clear.

[Dark&Good]

Excellent idea/initiative