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Old 02-19-2009, 10:02 AM
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Default Romanian TTC Tokarev Pistol CA Legal???

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I'm looking to buy a Romanian TTC Tokarev Pistol from J and G Sales. I found a FFL dealer locally but I'm not sure if the Tokarev is still on the California Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. I can't find it on the list. I know its on the C&R list so am I still able to buy it and have it brought into CA? The FFL dealer made it very clear for me to find out if I can get it before he puts his name in.

Anyone out there with an idea with me obtaining this gun?

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Old 02-19-2009, 10:29 AM
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If it's C&R (+50 years old) then yes it's legal.
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Old 02-19-2009, 11:14 AM
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If it's C&R (+50 years old) then yes it's legal.
Actually, if its C&R by age (50 years old) or specifically listed as a C&R in the C&R lists, then it is exempt from the Roster.

here is the relevant PC.

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CHAPTER 1.3. UNSAFE HANDGUNS

12125. (a) Commencing January 1, 2001, any person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends any unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
(b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
(3) Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

12132. This chapter shall not apply to any of the following:
(g) The sale, loan, or transfer of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person listed as a curio or relic, as defined in Section 178.11 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
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I had problems with an FFL that was very hard nosed about C&R when I was trying to order my CZ-52. Just make sure that they understand about a C&R handgun; and that they are exempt from the list. I know the ATF website has a list of all C&R handguns too.
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I know the ATF website has a list of all C&R handguns too.
No, the ATF list does not include all C&R handguns. It lists handguns that they specifically consider to be "curios". They do not update it every year to include any handguns that are now over 50 years old. Those "relic" handguns are C&R, but are not listed.
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my bad not alllll of them, and yes their list is not updated. good show!
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I looked on the ATF website and it doesn't list the Romanian Tokarev. However it does list the,

Russian (U.S.S.R.), Tokarev, model TT, 1933, pistol, cal. 7.62, mfd. at the Tula Arsenal, Tula, U.S.S.R., from 1933 through 1956.

But the last time it was fully updated was 2007.
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Actually, if its C&R by age (50 years old) or specifically listed as a C&R in the C&R lists, then it is exempt from the Roster.

here is the relevant PC.
Right, but I don't believe the TTC is listed as C&R, that's only the Soviet TT-33. Could be wrong though.
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you may want to check with J&G sales to see if they can confirm the C&R listing. They have it listed as C&R. I doubt they would be shipping non-C&R handguns to C&R FFL holders (in other states). ATF would nail them big time on that.


edit: I'm gonna guess and say that they are 50+ years old. I did see this on wikipedia, Romania also produced a TT-33 copy (the TTC, or Cugir Tokarov) well into the 1950s. So, depending on when production actually ended, they would be C&R due to age, and not need to be listed.
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Haha!! Tokarevs... Here I come!!!!
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It is legal I'm picking it up today!
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Hey, did you ever pick up the Tokarev? How do you like it?

I ask because I'm thinking of picking one up myself.
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anyone know of a place around Sac area or possibly bay area where I could pick one up?
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I know a good FFL to recieve it.. For Vacaville it's a bit far however.

http://www.jksupplyco.com/

J&G Gunsmithing in Granite Bay has had a couple of Norincos 9mms for a while.
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