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Old 05-13-2018, 3:56 PM
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Default Black bear overpopulation in CA?

I saw in the most recent CRPA magazine an article that said that black bears are the major predator of California deer and a significant part of the decline in herd numbers. That really surprised me. I always thought it was mostly the cougars that ate the deer.

I have shot huge Canada bears before and never considered they might be here in CA in numbers that are worth hunting. Anybody going after them? I kind of feel a moral duty to hunt them if they are indeed taking a toll on the deer since hunting is supposed to target overpopulations. What do you do with the meat? Are they really out there in large numbers?

I floated off my Grizzly Island Bull and Lassen Pronghorn apps with an X8 deer tag with 5 points so I might actually be going deer hunting this year. Wondering if a bear tag is a good move.
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We have a ton on the property and adjacent properties. This year they are early with little snow.
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They eat a lot of fawns
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Last time I deer hunted, there was more bear sign than deer sign. I did get a young one while deer hunting. Up near Yolly Bolla and before they stopped hunting with dogs, so I doubt the situation got better (for deer).
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You eat the meat or give it to someone who will, yes there has always been an abundance of bear, on public lands they are mostly nocturnal. In the daylight you'll find them on the steepest and in most inhospitable terrain on their range.
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They make great salami. I had 285 pounds of meat made into it one year because it was a 15.5 year old boar and not real good for anything else. He was a B&C record book bear.
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You guys have 3 strikes against you
1. No dogs can be used.
2. No baiting.
3. No spring season.

The 3 most effective types of hunting and time of the year to kill a bear and you cant do it. Sorta SUX huh.
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I saw in the most recent CRPA magazine an article that said that black bears are the major predator of California deer and a significant part of the decline in herd numbers. That really surprised me. I always thought it was mostly the cougars that ate the deer.

I have shot huge Canada bears before and never considered they might be here in CA in numbers that are worth hunting. Anybody going after them? I kind of feel a moral duty to hunt them if they are indeed taking a toll on the deer since hunting is supposed to target overpopulations. What do you do with the meat? Are they really out there in large numbers?

I floated off my Grizzly Island Bull and Lassen Pronghorn apps with an X8 deer tag with 5 points so I might actually be going deer hunting this year. Wondering if a bear tag is a good move.
X8 is, or was loaded with bear. Don@tahoe might be able to give you a better synopsis
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Ya I heard from several sources Bears are the main killer of Deer in this state. I think mainly at fawn stages, they sniff them out kill them when they are babies. At least in areas Bear and Deer share habitat.

I go after Bear every year, but only have ever shot one in this state in the 6-7 years I've hunted big game here. I hear all these guys saying they see tons of Bear when deer hunting in D Zone, but I don't have that kind of luck. Only place I ever see them consistently is a private ranch I hunt in Mokelumne Hill, but the population really thinned out after the Butte fire.

When I lived in Washington I get one almost every year. I don't think they were more populated there, I just had some good spots dialed in.

Regarding their table fare. They are really good eats if you find them in the berries. Not so great eats if they are feeding on dead salmon. You have to cook them well to kill off the Trichinella spiralis. So our favorite way to do that is by grinding it up with about 20-30% pork trimmings (depending on the fat to meat trimming ratio of your trimmings) and making bear burgers, or going with 30-50% pork trimmings and making sausage. My kids love it. Makes for good stews and chilis too. I don't bother with steaks because I'm not a fan of overcooked wild game. Too tough and gamey that way.

Good luck! Lots of hunters will volunteer to take your meat if you shoot one and find out you don't like it, so don't be afraid to shoot one. I'll personally take the meat off your hands if you end up not liking the taste.
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Makes good tacos.
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Hmm, always figured the big cats were the #1 problem. Bears to,huh? Damn.
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I kill and eat a bear every year. I try to kill 2 deer every year but most years I only get one. Bear meat is very good. I get my bear done on the first trip out most years. Ive seen more and more each year since dogs were illegal to use.
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Bear is very tasty. I have never killed one myself.....usually somebody who does is willing to share. Sausage is the best.

My neighbor spent his entire life raising and training dogs to hunt bear....he was crushed when it was outlawed.

Imagine you primary hobby just plain outlawed.....crazy.

Antis will tell you it is unfair to use dogs....the truth is, is that it is highly.dangerous, eapecially to the dogs. The dumber dogs get weeded out fairly soon by cornered bears, by rushing in. Sometimes the bears get away.

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My understanding is that there are roughly 30,000 Black Bears in the state, which is apparently the highest in decades.
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If you look back in history Cali did this back in the 1940-1950 ban dogs on bears.....then the F&G said they need to be controlled and allowed dogs on bears

History will repeat once again.....
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If you look back in history Cali did this back in the 1940-1950 ban dogs on bears.....then the F&G said they need to be controlled and allowed dogs on bears

History will repeat once again.....
That’s a different set of circumstances. That was an F&G regulation that was adjusted.

Today, it is actually a state law. F&G would need to compel the entire state legislature and the Governor to agree. When was the last time they ever gave hunters an advantage?

Just like lions, it would almost need to be overturned by the voters since it was actually a proposition
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^^^^ And that will not happen with all the democrap, snowflake, libtards in the state
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Going back out again today for a few days to try to fill my spring bear tag.......
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I have a cabin in the San Bernardino Mountains (Green Valley Lake), I have never seen a Bear, but my neighbor up there had his bird feeder destroyed by one awhile back...so they are there. Another fella I know was Bow Hunting last year and had a Momma and her Cubs crash through the brush right in front of him.

Now cats are what scare me. Now that everybody is installing security cameras and 'Ring' doorbells, they are getting them on video more and more. Within the last month, I have seen videos posted on the local Nextdoor Forum of BIG Cougars milling around up there. Good friend of mine saw one recently walking down the street at dusk.
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Since the dog hunting ban, Bears as well as Beers been over populated in all the areas i hunt. I do A, B, D hunts.
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I'll pick up a bear tag if I get drawn in X8. Thanks for the input.
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Personally, I do not like the taste of bear meat. Some people I know do like it, not me however. I live in Nevada County, CA. Lots and lots of bears in my area. I deer hunt in the C zones near Chester. I've seen more bear in the past three seasons than bucks. I could have pulled the trigger on two bear opening day last year 30 yards from my elevated tree stand. Too much work to give the meat away and get the skull to F&W. But there are more bear in CA now since the dog ban. Happy hunting!
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How about reintroducing grizzlies? They'll take care of black bears and a few hikers, too. With their native range along the coast, they'd have plenty of food. I'm mostly kidding... mostly...

I see a lot of bear sign in my deer hunting areas. I saw a large, beautiful one in early December along the coast deep in a canyon I was staying in. He was only about 60 yards away, too. Scat everywhere down there. Plenty of deer, too. I found out later that hunting them is illegal there all year. No worries from me, though. It's hard enough walking out of that canyon with a pack. A deer is tough enough. I don't think I could get a bear out very well.
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Have never seen a bear in the areas I have hunted. Seen sign and know they're there though. Brother lives in Oregon and gets two each year. Prior to eating his, I hated bear meat. He cans his in mason jars and they taste just like pot roast when reheated in a pan. Knowing what I know from his cooking procedure, I wouldn't pass an opportunity to shoot one.
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Bear Rips Shed Roof, Climbs On Top Of Trailer In Gorman

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