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“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching—even when doing the wrong thing is legal.”
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“Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching—even when doing the wrong thing is legal.”
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Sucks when doing the right thing puts you at odds with the law. Bravo to this guy.

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He did the correct thing putting the animal out of misery. I hope the DFG see it the same way
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So, he either gets in trouble for killing it in a residential area, or gets in trouble for wasting game. Gotta love cidiots.
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I would of done the same thing tuff scenario
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Bummer. Lousy situation to be in...
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Bummer. Lousy situation to be in...
Yeah, I do feel bad for the guy. He was obviously trying to do the right thing.

One thing he could have done differently was maybe call DFW before shooting it the second time and let them know of the situation. But then again, I wasn't there so maybe he thought he had to act quickly.

One other thing that stands out...I looked up the street where he shot the deer. It seems pretty far from the national forest boundary (like a mile and a half).
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One other thing that stands out...I looked up the street where he shot the deer. It seems pretty far from the national forest boundary (like a mile and a half).
Hmmmm. That is a heck of a long way to track a deer for a first time hunter... Or any hunter for that matter.
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So you are the Archer (Hoyt3) that shot the deer, if you are I suggest that you don't discuss your case, speak to an attorney, anything else is a fools move.

Anyway IMO the shooter should have let the deer walk, if it was hit it wasn't lethal by a long shot. That deer would have survived to see another day, it is owed that much respect. It would have been a good lesson and memory.

But now the shooter faces discharge of a dangerous weapon in LA County. I can't think of any game law violations, but could be hunting on private property, state land, etc, it was tracked through those lands. JFI, deer are strong and can withstand injuries that must aren't aware of, that's how most mammals are.
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It is illegal to track a wounded animal onto private property without the owners permission, that's in front of the handbook copy of the CDFW Regulations. I've been at this for a long time bro, better recognize, ethics is not a defense, an excuse?, lol.
When an animal is lost and dies, it never goes to waste.
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The only deer that I know of that are known for randomly attacking humans are healthy bucks, not frightened or injured bucks.
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1) Never shoot an animal in front of a stranger, even in the boonies.
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Good luck Bro. You were in a tough spot. I definately would NOT talk about this anymore on this forum until it's resolved.
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And I've been told that archery hunters limit the distances factoring in the "Jump The String Reflex".

This kind of thinking is how they implement buffer zones.
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i didn't see if the first shot still left an arrow stuck on the deer, but had there been an arrow stuck on it I would had done the same thing. A deer stuck with an arrow walking around in residential area will bring a worst rep for hunters because we would all be labeled as unethical. If the arrow dropped off and it looked like it could had survived I would had left it alone.

Without knowing all the facts I believe Hoyt did the right thing. But the law might see it differently. Good luck with your case and once it is settled keep us posted.
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I shoot when I hunt, onlooker be damned. Your "ethics" are your problem.
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I shoot when I hunt, onlooker be damned. Your "ethics" are your problem.
If you see a stranger you had better shoot before he does.
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And I've been told that archery hunters limit the distances factoring in the "Jump The String Reflex".
These are the things that people who feel they have a moral authority to give opinions on things they no nothing about grab onto as part of their justification.
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Not only that, but some areas have laws on the distance that you can knowingly discharge a firearm from a person. Be kind and respectful during all encounters, you're an ambassador for hunting. This same behavior caused a bobcat no trapping buffer zone around JTNP, not only that it made it illegal to sell bobcat pelts, and to designate other bobcat buffer zones around other parks and preserves.

A guy from NY caused that, he's a retired Marine now and has nothing to do with us anymore. Don't listen to these out of Staters, let them act like that in their state. Remember what happened with "Open Carry".

That Marine was legal, he set cage traps on unmarked private property, was originally trapping on BLM land butting up to JTNP, trapping bobcats that people in the area thought of as pets.

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Not only that, but some areas have laws on the distance that you can knowingly discharge a firearm from a person. Be kind and respectful during all encounters, you're an ambassador for hunting. This same behavior caused a bobcat no trapping buffer zone around JTNP, not only that it made it illegal to sell bobcat pelts, and to designate other bobcat buffer zones around other parks and preserves.

A guy from NY caused that, he's a retired Marine now and has nothing to do with us anymore. Don't listen to these out of Staters, let them act like that in their state. Remember what happened with "Open Carry".

That Marine was legal, he set cage traps on unmarked private property, was originally trapping on BLM land butting up to JTNP, trapping bobcats that people in the area thought of as pets.
That's called poaching. And what youre stating is called "opinion". You do what you want, but stop telling everyone else what they should or should not do based on whatever nonsense you happen to dream up.
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^ agree. Keep New Yorker hunters out of your state

http://billingsgazette.com/news/stat...bf7324d69.html

Sorry, that llama sure looked like elk. This feral llama was shot by a New York hunter who mistook it for an elk.
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That's called poaching. And what youre stating is called "opinion". You do what you want, but stop telling everyone else what they should or should not do based on whatever nonsense you happen to dream up.
No it was not, the property owner had a duty to post the property legally or fence it off, that was not done.

He was going to bring charges on the property owner for taking his cage trap.
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No it was not, the property owner had a duty to post the property legally or fence it off, that was not done.

He was going to bring charges on the property owner for taking his cage trap.
It's up to the hunter to know where he can or can't hunt or trap. THAT'S ethics and the law.
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Yeah, but in Cali when the property isn't legally posted you have to be verbaly told that your tresspassing, if you don't leave then you can be charged for tresspassing.
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The bobcat guy is a member, I think his handle is Forestboy, a thread or 2 about it too.
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He is being charged with discharge of dangerous weapon within 150 yards of dwelling.He should have called 911 or dfw. Loss of game and fine forth coming.
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Yep, remember the Marine from Camp Pendleton, same charge and loss of a trophy buck, near the Apple Pie Town, guess?
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He is being charged with discharge of dangerous weapon within 150 yards of dwelling.He should have called 911 or dfw. Loss of game and fine forth coming.
Not cheap. totals up to a 685 dollar fine and is a misdemeanor.

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Yeah, but in Cali when the property isn't legally posted you have to be verbaly told that your tresspassing, if you don't leave then you can be charged for tresspassing.
Trespassing and hunting on private property without permission are 2 different things.
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Trespassing and hunting on private property without permission are 2 different things.
The charge is trespassing, not hunting on private property, anyway whatever you say.
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The charge is trespassing, not hunting on private property, anyway whatever you say.
Didn't say anything about any charges. I said trespassing and hunting without permission are 2 different things. If the hunter in question was on private land without permission while trappin, he's in the wrong no matter what signage exists.
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Heard this one on the radio - the woman interviewed was an idiot - would rather see that animal suffer (though she surely didn't give the matter any real thought)
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I hate to say it, but lots of bowhunters AND rifle hunters need to practice marksmanship.
Practice your stalk, get CLOSE. Buck fever is real.

Good on the OP for tracking his wounded animal. Too many fat, lazy, out of shape hunters would have just let it go and did nothing....
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I hate to say it, but lots of bowhunters AND rifle hunters need to practice marksmanship.
Practice your stalk, get CLOSE. Buck fever is real.

Good on the OP for tracking his wounded animal. Too many fat, lazy, out of shape hunters would have just let it go and did nothing....
Then you also have the possibility of being charged for wasting game if you don't pursue.
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^ FUD Cannot pursue on private property or into restricted area(CITY limits/ residential area_ ) This what he did and why charges brought.
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