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Old 03-29-2009, 2:45 PM
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Haha, with the same effort, I put on my poncho or coat
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I am spending waaaay to much money to make my B.O.B bag. I already have my 1-2 day B.O.B for my truck.
I am making a long term one right now...good times
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I think i need rock one of these on my Bag
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Ha. Sweet. Just started working on setting up a few various bags for different parts of the house/truck/bob/etc. Was having trouble coming up with a few of the ideas and remembered seeing this thread a while back. Helpful!

Planning stages are boggling my mind with how much I'm going to spend! Good times!
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Ha. Sweet. Just started working on setting up a few various bags for different parts of the house/truck/bob/etc. Was having trouble coming up with a few of the ideas and remembered seeing this thread a while back. Helpful!

Planning stages are boggling my mind with how much I'm going to spend! Good times!
If you spend $2K on a BOB and build it over 3 years, I promise it'll all be worth it when you are able to survive for a few days in SHTF.
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if you have to spend 2k to survive for 3 days, your a moron
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if you have to spend 2k to survive for 3 days, your a moron
I should have noted that I include weapons and ammo into that price. One good rifle, a pistol and a couple hundred rounds of ammo plus the supplies for 3 days will put you at 2K easy if you buy everything new. A Mini-14 and Glock 19 alone will eat up half that.
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if you have to spend 2k to survive for 3 days, your a moron

you're not "your"
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Old 04-10-2009, 1:29 PM
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Great thread guys. I have been meaning to put together a Bug-Out-Bag (or Earthquake kit for those wanting to keep a low profile).

I have taken tons of info from this thread and put it into a LONG list. I didn't really include firearms or ammo as that would be something to grab out of the safe when the time arises. If i am away from home, I will have a handgun and ammo with me.

Here is my list so far. They are kind of broken down for me as a shopping list as lots of these thing's I do not have (YET).

My bag: ALICE PACK (or similar backpack)

WAL-MART:
550-cord
sporks
weather/fm/am radio (LOTS OF BATTERIES)
Zippo Lighter Fluid
matches/lighter
"modern flint and steel" made of magnesium
Baby Wipes
Chem lights
Salt and Pepper and Lawry's Seasoning
Sunblock
Sunglasses
Road Flares
Axe/Hatchet
Mess kits
sharpening stone
emt and wilderness trauma kit
Bug nets
fishing kit/game cleaning
waterproof box/bags
Sewing kit
Candy (jolly ranchers)
Gatorade powdered
CLIF BARS
compass
Spectra fiber line (for fishing or trip wires also comes in natural colors)
sterno
Rope
Roll of Electrician's Tape
Superglue
Shovel/Saw/Pick Multi-Tool
Whistle
Nalgene Water Bottles
Steri-Pen UV Light Water Sterilizer
Space Blanket x2
Signal Mirror
Chapstick
Snare Wire
Safety Pins
100% Deet Bug Repelent
Large "Survival" Knife
16 oz. Hydrogen Peroxide
16 oz Rubbing Alcohol
tooth brushes and paste
sm manicure set
9mm Boresnake
Sealed Container of Clenzoil One Step Gun Cleaning Wipes
poncho x 2
Wool Socks

AAA:
Maps with bug out routes pened in. Keep one set in your car too

Military Supply Store:
Canteen with canteen cup.
Folding shovel
MRE's x2 (I would like to get a couple cases but not for the BOB)
Nomex Gloves

Make at Home:
Kindling made from dryer lint and wax.

Online Purchase:
Small Otis cleaning Kit
Katadyn Hiker water purifier and 10 filters.
QuikClot blood stopper
5.11 Tactical Khaki Style Vest
Wilderness Tactical Instructors Belt (already have one, need another for the bag)
Shemagh

Check Into:
more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro).
ANY PRESCRIPTION MEDS
7 Penicillin pills

Books:
Boy Scout Handbook
US Army Survival Manual
SAS Pocket Survival Book


Already Have:
Over the counter meds like (Excedrin, Tylenol, Pepto etc)
1-Paperback Book
Flashlights - Hand held and head lamp. single LED lights with lots of batteries
Cash
small tarp
223 Boresnake
Zippo Lighters
Binos
playing cards or dice
containers for water and or eating
Leatherman
Immodium AD or other anti diarrhea product.
No-Doz (or similar).
Sharpies with Duct Tape strips around it
Aluminum foil
knee brace
Ammo (small amount for multiple calibers) I will have more when I grab the guns
2-way radios
Carabiners
Small Notepad
Razor Blades
Extra Large Rubber Bands
Assorted Cable Ties
2 Large Trash Bags
2 Large Ziploc Bags
Toilet Paper in Ziplock bag
medium cheap fixed blade knife
medium cheap folding knife
Towels
Nitrile Gloves
Kydex Handgun and Magazine Holsters
Magazines for Handgun and Rifle
Foamie Ear Plugs – 10 sets


CLOTHING:
Danner Desert Boots
Floppy Hat
Beanie
Gore-tex jacket
Leather Gloves
1-T-Shirt Long Sleeve
1-Pair Khaki Style Cargo Pants
3 pairs underwear
3 pairs socks
2 t-shirts
hooded sweatshirt
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Old 04-10-2009, 1:44 PM
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instead of Penicillin, I suggest Zythromax
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Old 04-10-2009, 6:07 PM
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I just Looked up prescription meds online. I've never bought stuff like this to have on-hand. I've always gotten meds by going to the doctor AFTER I was sick and getting a prescription.

Is this typical behaviour?? Can I get a prescription from my local Doc and have my insurance cover it (just paying the co-pay) or is that frowned upon?? How do you guys get prescription antibiotics in bulk or ahead of time?? Buy it through Canada and pay full price??
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Old 04-10-2009, 6:18 PM
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I bought Zithromax online from India.
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I bought Zithromax online from India.
Which site did you use? Did you have any problems having it imported?

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Old 04-10-2009, 6:46 PM
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I too would like some info. This online prescription thing is ALL new to me. Also, if you are required to have a prescription, how do you get one if you are NOT currently sick??
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What prescription?

I simply ordered 2 boxes (6 pills/box) from www.alldaychemist.com
It spent some time in Customs here... In total, took about a month to receive it (shipping+customs time). The 12 pills cost $6.28, shipping was $24.90.
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I would swap out that 6.8 for a .223, .308, or 7.62x39. I think those calibers would be easier to find/trade if you were to run out.
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If I may, I'd like to point at the Zippos and say "leave those out" unless you carry your pack in a car.
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If I may, I'd like to point at the Zippos and say "leave those out" unless you carry your pack in a car.
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Also a note about lighters. Ive smoked for way too long and know a bit about lighters, Bics are where its at. If you put some of those cheap adjustable lighters (prone to failure) in your BOB you just may end up cold and pissed you didnt buy a 5 pack of bics for about 5 bucks.
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What prescription?

I simply ordered 2 boxes (6 pills/box) from www.alldaychemist.com
It spent some time in Customs here... In total, took about a month to receive it (shipping+customs time). The 12 pills cost $6.28, shipping was $24.90.
Thanks for the link.
BTW what are you ordering from them that has you posting all that oddity?
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Thanks for the link.
BTW what are you ordering from them that has you posting all that oddity?
Haha... the only pills I took in the last one year were 2 Excedrins
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If I may, I'd like to point at the Zippos and say "leave those out" unless you carry your pack in a car.
I have three Zippo's. They will NOT be my only firestarters, but I plan to have a few bags (one in my Jeep). I have heard the zippos leak, so I plan to keep them in baggies.

What are the reasons to leave them out?? Leaks, odor??
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What are the reasons to leave them out?? Leaks, odor??
Leaks, you may be better off leaving the Zippo dry and including a well sealed bottle of fuel.
ETA: Unless its pretty windy a BIC cant be beat, they are good for thousands of reliable lights. Zippo fuel will evaporate.
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Leaks, you may be better off leaving the Zippo dry and including a well sealed bottle of fuel.
ETA: Unless its pretty windy a BIC cant be beat, they are good for thousands of reliable lights. Zippo fuel will evaporate.
I PLAN to have BIC's as well. I'm new to all of this, but to me FIRE is VERY important (Heat, clean water, light etc). I plan to have around 4-5 ways to make fire in each bag.

I like the idea of leaving the zippo's empty (I have three that have never been used) then just keeping a sealed bottle of fuel with each. Is a NEW sealed bottle of fuel in a zip-loc bag good enough or is there something more that would need to be done to seal it??

I like there ability to light in the wind plus, I think they have a decent trade value if needed.
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If its a flip top type bottle I would duct tape it closed and make sure it wouldnt be squeezed too much.
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Makes sense, I will probably put it inside a baggy and put that inside of a hard-sided dry box.
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I have three Zippo's. They will NOT be my only firestarters, but I plan to have a few bags (one in my Jeep). I have heard the zippos leak, so I plan to keep them in baggies.

What are the reasons to leave them out?? Leaks, odor??
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What thread are we writing to, "Ladies' Tolerance"?

Sorry, but your first "suspicions" should be somethin' more... practical?

What I look at, you wanna be able to CARRY your pack.
What I look at, you wanna be able to use it, NO MATTER WHAT.

A lighter lighter does the same thing a Zippo does.
And if you don't have gasoline (that a Zippo could use = if you're not planning a strictly car-related pack), the biggest ferrocerium rod will be lighter than a Zippo, and will last longer.
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anyone tried using a fire piston? I have one in addition to other types of firestarters. Youtube has a bunch of videos for DIIY or a nicer one www.fire-piston.com
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OK, I got it guys. The Zippo's can be left at home. I just figured why not since I already have some. Plus, I have always liked zippo's in a nostalgic sort of way.

So, for fire, I'm looking at:

Bics (2 per bag)
Matches (in a sealed container)
Magnesium Fire Starter
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'Bics (2 per bag)
Matches (in a sealed container)
Magnesium Fire Starter '

I would like to expand on your choices-

Get 'strike anywhere' matches if you can- look for 'blue diamond' brand,seen them at local Ace hardware near me-they are wood matches. Make sure they are the 'STRIKE ANYWHERE' and not strike on box.

Mag firestarter-great choice,can get them at the local G shows-some guy sells them for pretty cheap. ALSO-tried using the Magnesium anode rod sold for RV water heater use....it does burn but it must be an alloy because there are some long ash type stuff that floats off in the air instead of burning clean. but it is an option for a backup mag supply ,they are big rods and they have a built in threaded nut to use as a handle.

Regarding BIC lighters--KEEP THEM IN A SEALED CONTAINER!!!---I had one blow up in my car once---got too hot in the car and the pressure built up and it blew..no fire thank god but it was a loud scary bang and plastic shrapnel all over.....glad I was just unlocking the car and the doors were still shut!

Good luck for all of us and our BOB's --sucks that $$$ goes up like crazy if you dupe for each car and family member...
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Picked up one of those magnesium firestarters at Wallyworld...just a few bucks.
I also ordered some of those cheapie torch lighters from one of the links in the beginning of this thread (I think it was this thread).
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Get 'strike anywhere' matches if you can-

sucks that $$$ goes up like crazy if you dupe for each car and family member...
I'll look for those matches. I had planned on wood matches, but strike anywhere does sound better.

It is crazy how much you can spend on this stuff ESPECIALLY buying multiples. I plan to have the most complete bag in my Jeep, then lesser bags in our Camry and at the house. As I get more funds the other bags will get completed just like my Jeep bag.

As far as the BAG itself, I think for now I have some backpacks/gym bags i can use for now, but I think an ALICE LC-1 pack is what I will end up with. Just seems to be the best bang for your buck. I can't bring myself to spend $100 or more on a bag.
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anyone tried using a fire piston? I have one in addition to other types of firestarters. Youtube has a bunch of videos for DIIY or a nicer one www.fire-piston.com
I have two fire pistons. Pretty versatile, since one can use many versions of cellulose to start a fire with (any dry plant material).
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... if one had to actually "bug out" wouldn't it be more sensible
to go low-pro, like a civilian day-pak instead of some sort of digital camo,molle, GI Joe looking bag?
My personal belief is the bag you carry everyday to work (example: laptop backpack) should contain everything you need to bug in/out within 24hrs. Whats more practical than something you have with you all the time?

Next best thing is a "stage 2" in the car.

For me, it makes sense to bug-in, because if something like an earthquake or zombie attack happens chances are high i will be 30+ miles from home (at work). And my home is where i have my longer term preperation, dog, family, etc. I carry what i need to survive an urban environment for the foot race home, and thats it.

I want to get more ideas of things to pack, but I see too many "extras" in people's packs... if you plan on taking things that can only be useful in a very specific combination or specific situation, they're useless. In a stressful, dangerous, panic filled environment you will be carrying 30lbs of useless weight. You dont have to be a backpacker or solider to understand this.

i'm kind of a hopeless, terse, minimalist.

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extremely good point. check points & bottlenecks. They'll have the numbers, its a losing battle.
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Buddy of mine stopped by yesterday. Saw the 2 B.O.B. bags and asked what they were. Told him and he just looked at me like I was out of my mind. lol
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Buddy of mine stopped by yesterday. Saw the 2 B.O.B. bags and asked what they were. Told him and he just looked at me like I was out of my mind. lol
I think I'm just going to call mine emergency/earthquake kits. Essentially the same thing but it doesn't freak out the sheep.

I'm also trying to figure out what SIZE bag(s) I will need. I wasthinking of ONE HUGE bag in my Jeep, then having a few smaller for other places (wifes car, house, work etc). But I am not thinking of using a small-medium sized bag in ALL instances. I like the idea of having AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE in my Jeep as it is with me nearly 95% of the time. Only time I would be without it would be my wifes car, and I just don't see bugging out too far in a Camry.

I may try to have like 4 stage 1 kits (Jeep, Camry, House, Work) then a stage 2/3 also stored in my Jeep as well as one at the house.

I would just like to avoid buying a really expensive (AND LARGE) bag if I can get away with smaller more manageable bags. I also like the idea of being as light as possible when carrying the bag, though I think it doesn't hurt to have an extra stage 2/3 bag in case you are NOT on foot (either mobile in the Jeep or staying at home).
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Yeah I hear ya. Told him not to come beggin to me for supplies if god forbid anything ever did happen.
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Did not read all the post but if not recommended yet, Take a lot of moleskin because your feet may be tough but if bugging out on foot with the wife/kids expect blisters and hot spots. If their feet go down your stuck. You may invest in some of that blister guide too.
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