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Old 04-05-2016, 8:40 PM
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As Reported last week and again today, because of the natural gas leak from the Aliso Gas Fields north of Porter Ranch, Southern California "may" experience up to 18 days of blackouts because there is not enough natural gas to run the generators at the Department of Water and Power that create electricity.

So...How will you prep?

I'm now expediting plans to install a Dual Fuel, Unleaded Gasoline/Natural Gas Emergency generator to run my entire home...I'm looking for a 20-22KWT system that can run everything including two air conditioners a 5 ton and 3 ton both 10 SER. Without natural gas I may even switch to electric cooking, or just stock up on propane tanks for the BBQ.
I have also begun to collect battery chargers for cell phones, laptops and other small devices. I have 12 days of phone recharging capability, I'd like to double that. I bought a couple of Anker PowerCore+ mini 3350mAh Lipstick-Sized Portable Charger for $9.99 and a couple of DoAce® 10000mAh (2.1Amp+1Amp Output,1Amp Input Fast Charging) Dual USB Portable External Extended Battery Pack Power Bank Backup Charger For iPhone iPad Smartphones Tablets for $14.99

I'm preparing for Los Angeles resembling a 3rd world country with unreliable utilities. And crime.

How else would you prep for a near future with unreliable energy? No ATM, No Gasoline Fuel pumps, Stale Food, intermittent telephone service.
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Thank God all those with their electric vehicles will be able to......park them and leave them.
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Nothing is going to happen. Hype as usual.
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More like rolling "brown outs" which are no big deal.
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Nothing is going to happen. Hype as usual.
I don't think so...The gas field held 85 Billion Hundred Cubic Feet of gas, Today it holds 15 Billion Hundred Cubic Feet. In a normal summer there are blackouts because the DWP can not meet demand.

Do the math.
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The Gas Company has proven it has an issue with telling the truth. I don't trust anything they say, or their Math.
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I'm preparing for Los Angeles resembling a 3rd world country with unreliable utilities. And crime.
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This is just a public prep story, to justify raising their rates yet again (to actually help pay for the leak blunder). Typical.

However, if they don't get public support for raising rates, then bet your a**, there will be some black outs to punish the good people, so it is a good reason to upgrade... but any reason is a good reason, heh.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliso_Canyon_Oil_Field

This reservoir is the second-largest natural gas storage site in the western United States, with a capacity of over 86 billion cubic feet of natural gas. Currently it is one of four gas storage facilities owned by Southern California Gas, the others being the La Goleta Gas Field west of Santa Barbara, Honor Rancho near Newhall, and Playa del Rey.
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It already is.
We need more ultra-liberal self-serving fruit and nut politicians running this once great state.
That would ensure its speedy and complete destruction. ....
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I don't think so...The gas field held 85 Billion Hundred Cubic Feet of gas, Today it holds 15 Billion Hundred Cubic Feet. In a normal summer there are blackouts because the DWP can not meet demand.

Do the math.
Ok, so, I just got out my trusty calculator and did the math and the math told me nothing is going to happen. Hype as usual. So I guess that settles that.

ps - yes, I double checked the math
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Personally I would look into an 1800 rpm diesel genset. Preferably trailer mounted. At least that is what I plan to get some day.
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It is false flag propaganda to keep it open and teach all the NIMBYs a lesson.

You can be sure that on the hottest day in July, Porter Ranch will be the first to go dark...

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As preppers you should be looking at the reality of this issue. It's a very real threat and once you understand why that is true, you can open your eyes and actually prep for it.
If instead, it's easier to blame the utilities then sit back and whine, just plan on doing it in the dark for a few hours.

The reality is that with the loss of San Onofre (2200mw of non-gas generation)and the lost capacity of Aliso Canyon, there isn't enough gas capacity to maintain all the required in-basin generation to run all those gas powered generation facilities. They can only "pack" so much gas into the gas transmission system. Once they hit a certain level, the power plants will be scheduled off-line and rolling blackouts will begin.

All we need now is for the fire season to kick it in high gear and trip some major inter-connections and we can fulfill the Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times".
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I doubt there will be anything close to 18 days of no power. That would be the city purposefully planning for a real problem.

In any case, among the normal items for protection and luxury/entertainment needs, my basic suggestion would be: good stock of water/drinks, stored water for sanitary needs, chest freezer stocked with microwavable/BBQ foods, generator (small 2-5kw portable units fine) with some stored fuel, extra propane for BBQ grill. Run generator to nuke food, charge portable electronics, and chill down freezer periodically. Stay home, enjoy cold beer and BBQ while watching movies/music.
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there are blackouts because the DWP can not meet demand..
That's not true DWP actually has an excess of capability and sells to Edison during times of shortage. DWP is also owned by LA and didn't have to get into the brokered selling/buying schemes of a few years ago that are still causing problems for the private elec companies like SCE.
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I have a 7500 watt duel fuel generator.... bring it!
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I'm going to full my 40 gallon gas tank on my toyhauler and my 20 gallon gas cans for my 5500 watt generator. That will last awhile. I have food and water prepped at all times already
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Meh, you should already be ready for no power...

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... It's a very real threat...
Man, I hope so.

I didn't spend all that money and pile my garage full of crap for nothing.

Plus I get to tell the wife...'told ya'.
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That's nearly my exact setup Falcon, with a couple of minor exceptions. Those Hondas are excellent units and I like the option to run just one of them if that's all I need.

I also have a 140w solar panel on the roof feeding a small bank of golf cart batteries with a 2kw inverter. That's not a big setup but it provides a bit of "free" power every day for lights and other small devices. I have run the washer, dryer, furnace and fridge off the inverter so I know what to expect.

I also have a travel trailer with 420 w solar on the roof and 4 golf cart batteries. I lived comfortably in this trailer completely off grid for 3 weeks last year. The only time I needed the generators was for a few hours in the evening on two occasions when I decided to run the AC. Keeps the cost, hassle and noise way down.
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That's nearly my exact setup Falcon, with a couple of minor exceptions. Those Hondas are excellent units and I like the option to run just one of them if that's all I need.

I also have a 140w solar panel on the roof feeding a small bank of golf cart batteries with a 2kw inverter. That's not a big setup but it provides a bit of "free" power every day for lights and other small devices. I have run the washer, dryer, furnace and fridge off the inverter so I know what to expect.

I also have a travel trailer with 420 w solar on the roof and 4 golf cart batteries. I lived comfortably in this trailer completely off grid for 3 weeks last year. The only time I needed the generators was for a few hours in the evening on two occasions when I decided to run the AC. Keeps the cost, hassle and noise way down.
Bruss01, I think you and I would get along quite nicely!

Unfortunately my rooftop solar needs to be grid tied. Still working on getting my "portable" up and running. I have all the parts just need to do it, w/Rynogy 100 watt panel. Originally tried with a Harbor Freight 45 watt POS, but that thing is weak and not enough.






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Man, I hope so.

I didn't spend all that money and pile my garage full of crap for nothing.

Plus I get to tell the wife...'told ya'.
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I don't think so...The gas field held 85 Billion Hundred Cubic Feet of gas, Today it holds 15 Billion Hundred Cubic Feet. In a normal summer there are blackouts because the DWP can not meet demand.

Do the math.
just curious is 15 billion hundred cubic feet a legit number?

is that 15 trillion or why is there another number after a number?

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just curious is 15 billion hundred cubic feet a legit number?

is that 15 trillion or why is there another number after a number?

honest question.
No, it's not "a legit number"...the OP is on a roll. Kinda like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Just let him wind himself down and he will be ready for a nap.

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just curious is 15 billion hundred cubic feet a legit number?

is that 15 trillion or why is there another number after a number?

honest question.
15 billion hundred would be 1.5 trillion.

15 billion thousand would be 15 trillion
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15 billion hundred would be 1.5 trillion.

15 billion thousand would be 15 trillion
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So I talked to a SoCal Gas employee today and expect a press release tomorrow.

Yes, this is serious. I am going to get a coleman stove.


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Ok, so, I just got out my trusty calculator and did the math and the math told me nothing is going to happen. Hype as usual. So I guess that settles that.

ps - yes, I double checked the math
The Gas man said due to several EPA laws that were passed, a quick resupply is not possible.

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So I talked to a SoCal Gas employee today and expect a press release tomorrow.

Yes, this is serious. I am going to get a coleman stove.




The Gas man said due to several EPA laws that were passed, a quick resupply is not possible.
Is "gas man" FUD better or worse than "gun shop" FUD?

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We find out tomorrow.
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We find out tomorrow.
Actually, it was a rhetorical question.

No need to wait for tomorrow...
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It's a load of ratepayer, cost increase, crap. Still plenty of $$ to run TV and radio ad's - go figure.

Blame everyone else for plant shutdowns.. but don't take any responsibility.

I've stayed prepped accordingly, E'ff'em.
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just curious is 15 billion hundred cubic feet a legit number?

is that 15 trillion or why is there another number after a number?

honest question.
Natural Gas is measured in HCF (Hundred Cubic Feet). The Facility in Aliso Canyon regularly holds 85 Billion HCF of Natural Gas. Today it holds 15 Billion HCF. 1/5 of it's normal operating capacity.

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No, it's not "a legit number"...the OP is on a roll. Kinda like when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Just let him wind himself down and he will be ready for a nap.

? It is a Legit number.
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Natural Gas is measured in HCF (Hundred Cubic Feet). The Facility in Aliso Canyon regularly holds 85 Billion HCF of Natural Gas. Today it holds 15 Billion HCF. 1/5 of it's normal operating capacity.



? It is a Legit number.
No, it is measured in Cubic feet. 1 cubic foot being the standard (cf) It MAY be expressed in units of 100 cubic feet (Ccf) or 1,000 cubic feet (Mcf) or even 1,000,000 cubic feet (MMcf).

Regardless, the Aliso Canyon site holds ~86 Billion cf...not 86 Billion Ccf.

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No, it is measured in Cubic feet. 1 cubic foot being the standard (cf) It MAY be expressed in units of 100 cubic feet (Ccf) or 1,000 cubic feet (Mcf) or even 1,000,000 cubic feet (MMcf).

Regardless, the Aliso Canyon site holds ~86 Billion cf...not 86 Billion Ccf.

Nice try however.
My mistake. You are correct. My brain was thinking water not gas. Water volume is priced in HCF or 748 gallons Natural gas in Cubic Feet.
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My understanding is that the rolling blackouts will last less than 2 hours per area. Where I live Edison has been doing work and in the last month we were without for 6 hours one Sunday and about 8 on another. A bit of a bother, but refrigerator and freezer were fine. We are not going to go for 14 days straight without power.

In any case, I have plenty of batteries for radios & appliances and a small generator.
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This is what Im thinking as well.
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So..... was there an announcement?
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Where does this concern of black outs come from (in my own ignorance). It's not from the early 2000's during deregulation is it?
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