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Old 01-23-2009, 6:00 PM
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This is a question about your actual BOB or Kit, that you have already packed, in your house/car, for Natural Disasters/SHTF situations. Please keep the thread on topic to the best of your ability -don't tell me what you'd pack inside of your M1 Abrams Tank, or about your 400 acre, land-mine-protected farm deep in the forests of Northern Saskatoon - just what you have in your bag/kit. I'm trying to get good ideas to pack mine.

Ok, I'll start -

Stage 1 BOB (for 3 days or so)

1- Affordable Backpack from Wallyworld (I think it was $25) But it's got a lot of features and a good amount of capacity. (Yeah I have much better ones, but this one wont be used often, so I figure why waste an expensive one to sit on a shelf).
2- Tomahawk (SOG Fusion) - About $35 or something - light, compact, useful for multiple applications, ie - splitting wood, breaking windows, doors, digging, hacking zombies, etc.
3- Two Space Bags - for me and wifey
4- 6 MRE's
5- hat, windbreaker, hooded sweatshirt, extra socks and undies
6- hand warmers (chemical) 8
7- g22 w/3 hi-cap mags, double mag holder, and holster (g22 has crimson trace laser as well as light)(everything is loaded)
8- s&w j-frame snubbie - .38cal hideaway/backup in iwb holster gun and 50 extra +p rounds
9- First Aid Kit with all kinds of stuff (too long to list, maybe that's another thread)
10- Water Filtration System (ordered)
11- I used a small tackle box type clear plastic covered box, with separators in it to pack the following - matches, lighter, swiss army knife, fishing supplies, hooks, weights, salmon eggs, power bait, fire starter, extra advil, cough drops, multi-tool, batteries and flashlights (2)
12- 4 AR mags loaded with 6.8 ammo and a 3 mag pouch/molle attachment
13- TP - 1 roll in Ziplock bag
14- Hydration Bladders x2
15- Fixed blade knife - Browning 4.5" blade
16- Long Gun -AR - LMT MRP 6.8 with NF scope 2.5x10 (I can shoot it well to 600 yards) (depending on the scenario, I may or may not be inclined to take this scary, high profile rifle. I may decide to take something else, my 12ga FN SLP would be my second choice - which is why I keep an extra sub-kit with multiple types of ammo for that gun as well - birdshot, buckshot and slugs).
All of this weighs around 35 pounds (not including rifle), so if I have to hoof it, i should be ok.
My Kit -




My Wife's and My B.O.B's on top of our Stages 2-3 Kit is seen in the Plastic containers and Cooler, Body Armor and Additional Kit in Box- All of the stuff packaged together and ready to go



Wife's Bag's Contents (not including un-mentionables of course, since they can't be mentioned)



Stage 2 - Additional Kit for a Scarier or Man-Made SHTF situation (short term)
In addition to the above BOB and stored next to it, I have a duffle with my BA vests (2), psgt helmets, boots and more loaded mags and ammo sitting next to it, and a large bottle of water (1/2 water cooler size).


Stage 3 - For Long Term Disaster survival (2 weeks or so)
Both of the above items and then the following
1- Clear Plastic Storage box with folding top- Can be used to carry and store all the items in it as well as hold water if need be
2- more mre's (12)
3- large 2 pound bag of rice
4- canned foods - tuna, fruit, chili, etc - to supplement MREs
5- all weather blankets (2)
6- gas masks (2)
7- plate carriers (2)
8- High quality thick paper napkins (to use in place of towel or TP) 100pack
9- small 2 person tent
10- small camp stove and propane tanks (3)
11- another (full sized)water cooler sized water bottle
12- ammo can with a mix of ammo - for use or trade - pistol, shotgun & rifle
13- Dog food for my mutts
14- (not in box but next to it) Sleeping bags (2)


Thats what i've got so far - what am I missing? What do you have in yours? I've read on different boards what people have, and it seems to vary significantly from state to state depending on the terrain and weather. I live in So Cal - so i'd like to hear from folks here in our area (you Nor Cal guys can chime in as well, I live here now, but I'm from the Bay originally).

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Old 01-23-2009, 6:36 PM
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All that looks good, you might want to add some nylon twine or Paracord and a small tarp to your BOB they comes in handy.
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poncho , weather radio, lantern or light, map or gps, cleaning supplies for weapons
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Throw in some playing cards or dice or a small backgammon game. There will be a lot of sitting around.
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Scanner and/or Ham radio with plenty of batteries and some experience listening/using them would be a good addition to your kit. You may be out roughing it all the while the zombies might have been eradicated and order restored...remember the end of "The Mist?"

My family is large and has varied special needs so I have alot to pack. Assuming we're hoofin' it somewhere (that's always the case, despite reality suggesting to sit tight and shelter in place or migrate to a high school gym or church parking lot tent city), I have the following:

1) Large frame hiking pack with 3 thin wool blankets, some mylar blankets, robust first aid bag inside, hatchet, my zombie chopper in kydex sheath (still making it), 100' black paracord, 100' of nylon rope, small 6x4 tarp, toilet paper, rain jacket for me, freeze dried and mre food for our whole family for maybe a week (even some cans of spam!), a bunch of heavy duty plastic garbage bags of varied sizes (very important to control waste and transport things), Katadyn water filtration unit, 2 scanners, dual band ham radio (lots of batteries for all devices), 2 walkie talkies and their batteries, 1 pair of work gloves, 1 pair of warm gloves..and some other stuff like matches, flint/magnesium fire starter thingy, glove/shoe warmers, varied 6-in-1 survival whistles, lots of good, solid LED based lights ranging from 250 lumens to 6 lumens and batteries for them to last months. I carry this pack.

2) Army Duffle with 6 man tent, some more blankets and clothes and 2 gallons worth of water packets. This is carried by my wife.

3) Medium backpack with 1 gallon worth of water packets, some clothes, bags, MREs and Freeze Dried food. This is carried by my 8 year old daughter.

An additional backpack can be carried by our 5 year old with his toys or other things. 7 Month old baby in baby bjorn carried by mommy or me. Loaded M&P9 and 3 mags concealed in belly band. If it's necessary, a loaded mosin nagant 91/30 and a tac vest with lots of 7.62x54r ammo in it and the bayonet fixed just for intimidation factor. 8 year old can carry the 22 rifle. Be nice to have a couple more handguns to conceal/carry...but just the one for us so far.


Another thing that appears overlooked above...containers for water and or eating..maybe some sporks too! So put two small water bottles on each pack you carry..one to drink from, one to cut in half to use for food or scooping...and easy to clean/wash.
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Throw in some playing cards or dice or a small backgammon game. There will be a lot of sitting around.
Playing cards will provide limitless entertainment. So much so that you may even be able to trade them for something more immediately useful down the road.

My Level 2/3 bag has (in addition to approximately the above) a bottle of fuel stabilizer, which will be invaluable if the need to store gasoline arises during travel.
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Should I give them booze? I have Ralph's brand Kahlua and some Half and Half. Kids like chocolate milk, right?
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I'm glad I posted this because already there are some good items that I needed to add - thanks guys
Cards, GPS, Fuel Stabilizer, and something to eat out of...somehow I missed that one. They'll all be in the bag tomorrow.
Anything else?
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Anything else?
I mentioned this in another SHTF thread, but road flares are cheap (about $2 at OSH) and have a ton of uses.

Also, you might want to carefully consider what you use to start fire. I ditched the matches/lighter scene for "modern flint and steel" made of magnesium. I've been using the same $8 block (Big 5) for years, and I've made lots of friends who had wet matches or empty lighters.
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A Leatherman or similar muiti-tool, beats a swiss army knife any day.
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For a real hot torch, something that has a stand, and can be locked in an on position and heat/burn anything. It's wind proof and holds lots of butane. And for only $2.78 shipped...just get a dozen of them and put them all over the place in your home or fill your BOBs with them. Also, when ordering a dozen of them, if you get one bad one, it's no big deal to toss it!
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.1320

And of course you can't go wrong when buying $10 lights that can be insanely brighter than the crap at hardware/home improvement store shelves claiming to be tough and bright. Where else can you get a $12 five mode drop-in giving you as much as 200 lumens or 10 lumens that'll last you many many hours continually..just pick the cheapest "p6" style light and drop in a $12 lamp for excellent reliable and variable lighting.
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My idea of survival is hiding in the mountains/hills from humans... weird maybe, but anyways, here's my list of stuff that I want to buy/want to have in the kit:

backpack
survival handbook
emergency/medical supplies
water purification source
rope
compass
topographical maps
meal supplements/energy bars
cards
sterno?
matches/lighter/flint+steel
sleeping bag
Five Seven with extra magazines and ammunition (to be bought at later date)
knife
My M1A along with extra magazines and ammunition (already owned)
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You might want some ammo for your rifle, which is pretty worthless otherwise.
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One BOB, what is your wife gonna carry?

Add
-Maps with bug out routes pened in. Keep one set in your car too. GPS units die
-Flashlights - Hand held and head lamp.
-Cash may still have some value.
-Zippo Lighter Fluid
-Baby Wipes
-Canteen with canteen cup. I know it sounds old school but you let others drink from your canteen not your camelbacks. Canteen cups can be used to shave, drink from, eat from and cook with.
-Kindling made from dryer lint and wax.
-Chem lights
-Folding shovel
-Salt and Pepper
-Sunblock
-Sunglasses
-Fuel Cans
-Field survival manuals, better yet go buy a few now, then make your own with the info you need.
-Binos

Take your wife to the range and teach her to shoot. Remember she promised to protect you to.
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One BOB, what is your wife gonna carry?

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-Maps with bug out routes pened in. Keep one set in your car too. GPS units die
-Flashlights - Hand held and head lamp.
-Cash may still have some value.
-Zippo Lighter Fluid
-Baby Wipes
-Canteen with canteen cup. I know it sounds old school but you let others drink from your canteen not your camelbacks. Canteen cups can be used to shave, drink from, eat from and cook with.
-Kindling made from dryer lint and wax.
-Chem lights
-Folding shovel
-Salt and Pepper
-Sunblock
-Sunglasses
-Fuel Cans
-Field survival manuals, better yet go buy a few now, then make your own with the info you need.
-Binos

Take your wife to the range and teach her to shoot. Remember she promised to protect you to.

She goes with me about 40% of the time - last weekend she shot 18 on skeet (I only got 15)(but i was shooting a.28ga). She knows how to run the shotguns and the AR, can shoot a pistol nearly as good as I can. We run little drills from time to time to make sure she stays on her game
...But you're right - she needs to have her own BOB too - I'll have to work on that next.

You had a few items that I'll have to add - thanks for the good input
I can't believe that I missed BABY WIPES - they're like gold!!! I need to get those in there ASAP.
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1. Become proficient with the gear you carry.
2. Family pics in the wallet for long-term bugout
3. If you have kids, something that will help them pass the time.

and most importantly

4. Have a plan and review it with your family

Otherwise, you're on the right track.
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Surveyor's tape is also something light and compact that I would recommend. It serves a couple of purposes not necessarily related to bugging out.

You can utilize it to hang a small piece from a branch to mark you're trail. It makes the return trip easier if you're traveling off the beaten path. Pack it back out with you.

If you're lost, and you decide to keep moving instead of staying put, hang a small piece from a branch and mark with a permanent marker: your initials, date and time. This will incredibly assist those that are searching for you.

Like I mentioned, you may not want to use it in a SHTF scenario but it is something that is small and light enough to add. I usually just wrap a length around a pencil.

Edit: Speaking of pencils - a notepad would also be a good idea.

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Another thing that might be worth taking is some cash in small denominations. Widespread power outages will make ATM cards worthless. Being able to make some change during a trade may help you out.
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Here's a picture of the bug-out gear I would carry. While I'm much too lazy to unpack it and take a picture, suffice it to say that everything I need to survive very comfortably for at least three days is in here. Also note the padlock on the "extra ammo" compartment of the L1 BOB...keeps the teammates honest



Some special items I also carry:
-A sewing kit
-extra velcro in strips
-extra webbing in strips

EDIT: This thread is now officially a BOB gear-porn thread.
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One thing to consider: more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro). It's a great broad spectrum antibiotic and relatively cheap...if someone says "Anthrax" you'll be glad you did.
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One thing to consider: more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro). It's a great broad spectrum antibiotic and relatively cheap...if someone says "Anthrax" you'll be glad you did.
can you just go buy CIPRO over the counter, or do I have a get a 'script for it?
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You need a ShamWOW

https://www.shamwow.com/ver4/index.asp

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I actually bought the Shamwows at the Costa Mesa gunshow yesterday...I couldn't help myself after that post - That and the fact that my wife wanted some - they were pushing those hard, I think there were 3-4 booths selling them - I had no idea the gun crowd was in such desperate need of immediate absorption.
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can you just go buy CIPRO over the counter, or do I have a get a 'script for it?
You have to have a prescription like any of the antibiotics in the US.

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One thing to consider: more medications. Particularly antibiotics--consider Ciprofloxacin (Cipro). It's a great broad spectrum antibiotic and relatively cheap...if someone says "Anthrax" you'll be glad you did.
Got some of this prescription as well. Had a stomach condition that turned out to be something totally benign, so I didn't use it.

Cipro has something like a 3 year shelf life, and its definitely something good to have. Even if you only have a few 60 mg tabs, that'll last long enough to get you to a hospital where you'll be able to get more (hopefully).

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I actually bought the Shamwows at the Costa Mesa gunshow yesterday...I couldn't help myself after that post - That and the fact that my wife wanted some - they were pushing those hard, I think there were 3-4 booths selling them - I had no idea the gun crowd was in such desperate need of immediate absorption.
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Here's what's in mine, plus/minus a couple items:
$135.00 Cash
Leatherman TTi Multi-Tool
Stiletto Titanium Crowbar
Roll of Electrician's Tape
Black Sharpie
Carpenter's Pencil
3 Inch Locking Carabiner
Small Notepad
Sharpening Stone
String
Superglue
4 Razor Blades
4 Extra Large Rubber Bands
Shovel/Saw/Pick Multi-Tool
5 Assorted Needles & Thread
Lighter
Whistle
Surefire 6P Flashlight
6 CR 123 Batteries
Nylon Poncho
Wool Socks
Leather Gloves
Nalgene Water Bottles
2-50 Feet Paracord
Water Purification Tablets
Steri-Pen UV Light Water Sterilizer
Space Blanket x2
Magnesium Fire Starter
Signal Mirror
Quick Clot Bandage Pad x2
Emergency Fishing Kit
14 Assorted Cable Ties
2 Large Trash Bags
2 Large Ziploc Bags
1/2 Roll Duct Tape
Chapstick
Deck of Playing Cards
AM FM Radio
SAS Pocket Survival Book
Toilet Paper
Wipes
Lock Pick Set
Snare Wire
Safety Pins
Jolly Rancher Candy
100% Deet Bug Repelent
Water
MRE's x2
7 Penicillin pills
Knife
100 Rounds .22LR
25 Round .410
Springfield M6 Scout Rifle

Oh, and this is a Get Home Bag, not a Bug Out Bag. For me at least, getting home is the same as bugging out by all you city folk.
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Add a Boy Scout Handbook. It's a great survival & first aid guide.
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But all i have in my bag is.

Spool of 20lb braid fishing line and set of hooks.
Paracord 200 feet.
A machete I made
a Small Tarp
Some Heavy Duty Plastic Bags
NATO Waterbottle, the one bear grills has that has a metal cup with it.
Several Feet of Latex Surgical Tubing
A Camp Axe.
Flint + Striker
Couple Emergency Blankets.
Roll of duct tape.
2 Ponchos
Steel Diamond stone
Survival Knife.
General Medicine + First Aid + Signaling Stuff
Now if you still have room.
Toss in some more containers, Like Pots and Pans, Tupperware.
A hammer + A box of 3" nails.
and extra para cord if space allows.

There would be more stuff ON ME like guns and stuff

This is a BUG OUT BAG, so you know where you going. Not, i crashed into a deserted island and need to fight ravenous flying zombies.

The thing about BOB's is that the more you think about it. the more crap you tend to throw into your gear. You should duplicate you BOB and leave one inside your truck.
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Here's what's in mine, plus/minus a couple items:
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Steri-pen is so much win! Next to having a Katadyn Hiker, this is the easiest way to make friends with people who use Polar Pure or some other crappy iodine solution to clean their water. While they wait for 1-3 hours, you are already downing your entire Nalgene and pumping/Steri-penning up another.
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Steri-pen is so much win! Next to having a Katadyn Hiker, this is the easiest way to make friends with people who use Polar Pure or some other crappy iodine solution to clean their water. While they wait for 1-3 hours, you are already downing your entire Nalgene and pumping/Steri-penning up another.
The only problem is you can't use it in turbid (cloudy) water. I've used a couple t-shirts to remove the suspended solids in turbid water then the Steri-Pen. Works great, but battery life sucks.
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Does anyone have a better idea than the US Army Survival Manual? Similar, yet smaller that has the same information?
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my plan involves having a stock of food and water at the house and gasoline. If SHTF I am staying put for ~3 weeks. Hope to ride it out and make an informed decision to stay or go and where. I plan on having several tanks of gas stored at home to cover the planned route when the roads clear or routes are established.

My first plan is to get to my house and stay put. I live 30 from my work. If I'm at work, I am driving as far as I can to my house and humping it to my door.

Other than that there is a lot of great items posted. A few things I really like are the ham radio & CB radio, and single LED lights with lots of batteries. One thing I think is a good item is 6' of garden hose to siphon gasoline from abandoned cars. Other thoughts would be to have a large empty water drum at home. If emergency, bring it inside and run the sink till its full.
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The only problem is you can't use it in turbid (cloudy) water.
True that. Which is why the Katadyn is my preferred method. The pen is a fun toy, though, especially at night.

I forgot to mention that, as a supplementary tool, Sharpies are an integral part of a survival kit. In SHTF, it may become important to quickly differentiate "potable" from "NON-POTABLE!!!1!1!!" water containers. Some people likely can't or won't follow container-coloring standards, so you need to write down what's inside.
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i like the lock pick set! i didnt see any cannon fuse, or tannerite, (2 different uses) my .02
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I'm glad I posted this because already there are some good items that I needed to add - thanks guys
Cards, GPS, Fuel Stabilizer, and something to eat out of...somehow I missed that one. They'll all be in the bag tomorrow.
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If you don't mind, keep the original post updated with the suggestions that are in the thread.

That way, this thread can become a good solid reference to building a BoB.
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^^^^Great idea!
Keep updating so we can reference when purchasing items(whick I am slowly doing now).
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i like the lock pick set! i didnt see any cannon fuse, or tannerite, (2 different uses) my .02
The most useful type of pick in my set (which technically isn't a pick at all) is a MasterLock shim. (You can get a pack of 5 for like $10, since they break kinda easily.) You know those very popular silver, round combination locks EVERYONE uses at the gym (and sometimes even at construction sites)? If you have a shim, consider all of them your yours.
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What about Kotex or Maxi pads or what ever they're called? Some of you said you have woment to think of. If you have an injury that is a bleeder these work for that too.

Eye drops also work for ear aches. I could be wrong on this one check it out for yourselves.

Googles and face masks. If you are without sanitation for some time the masks can keep the dried crap out of your lungs along with dust. There was plenty of dust after the Northridge quake some dirt some asbestos.

To the OP I'd go 223 not 6.8. I understand better knockdown longer range but lighter and more plentiful trumps the advantage of the 6.8. Just a thought I wouldn't go with a caliber that isn't available at any store or from somebody you might meet up with. This is a personal decision.

Aluminum foil I don't know if this is a good idea or not. It works great around the house and if you needed to signal somebody it might be helpful.

Is the BOB something you are going to put on your back and start walking or something in your car and you are planning on driving out of the area?

Chem lites are a good thing maybe not for hitting the road but not too bad for your house if there isn't any power. One light is good for up to 12 hours.

Did anybody mention maps? If you are going to hit the road they are a good thing.
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