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Old 04-29-2009, 8:14 AM
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Any one have a problem with the mag being able to be inserted into the magwell? Had a thermold 30 round that I attempted the mod with. Held just ten round and I thought I had it. But when I went to place the mag in the gun the rivets prevented the mag from completely entering. May be I'll just try some USGI mags like the OP...
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Its probably the length of your followers.

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Any one have a problem with the mag being able to be inserted into the magwell? Had a thermold 30 round that I attempted the mod with. Held just ten round and I thought I had it. But when I went to place the mag in the gun the rivets prevented the mag from completely entering. May be I'll just try some USGI mags like the OP...
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Any one have a problem with the mag being able to be inserted into the magwell? Had a thermold 30 round that I attempted the mod with. Held just ten round and I thought I had it. But when I went to place the mag in the gun the rivets prevented the mag from completely entering. May be I'll just try some USGI mags like the OP...
Instead of rivets use set screws that way they are flush and then add epoxy over it and your done no need to fix floor plate either cause it's now permanent
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Any one have a problem with the mag being able to be inserted into the magwell? Had a thermold 30 round that I attempted the mod with. Held just ten round and I thought I had it. But when I went to place the mag in the gun the rivets prevented the mag from completely entering. May be I'll just try some USGI mags like the OP...
Some of the aftermarket mags such as Pmags and other polymer mags differ in size, which might requre a little more work to get them to fit. but like Arteel pointed out, its probably the follower. If the tabs on the sides of the follower are shorter then most, the rivets will be up higher and will need to be filed slightly to fit. If the follower tabs are longer, then rivets will be lower and probably wont be a problem. Each type of mag's and follwer combo's will require minor changes from my tutorial to get them to work properly. To many variables, thats why i used USGI mags. Cheap (14.99 rebuild kits 20 or 30rd), all pretty much standard size regardless of manufature, and did i mention they are cheap .
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Thanks for the advice. Yes it is the followers fault, the are really short. I'd try a set srew but the thermold plastic isn't quite as this as a PMAG so it may not hold. The mags were $12 a piece so I can afford to play and drill one up to get the rest right. Looks like its down to just putting a rod in them.
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Umm...why not just use a standard 10 rounder?

I know the 30 rounder look looks cool, but aren't you "fakin the funk?" Kinda like driving a Chrysler 300 and acting like it's a Bentley. Or putting dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder car.
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Try pulling a normal 10 rounder out of a vest or mag pouch, the extra length of a 10/20 or 10/30 makes a heck of a difference. Plus, I'm not going to lie, it does look cool and I like it. Lol.

Also, I just tried this method and it worked out great. Thanks for the info!

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I know the 30 rounder look looks cool, but aren't you "fakin the funk?" Kinda like driving a Chrysler 300 and acting like it's a Bentley. Or putting dual exhaust on a 4 cylinder car.
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maybe someone can help me out here.

When you rivet, does the back end stick out far enough to block the follower?

obivously it does, but how far does it stick out?
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About an 1/8". I would rivet both sides of the mag just to be safe because rivets can break.
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did my 1st one. came out good.

just make sure to leave a little extra space when you drill your hole so the bolt carrier can push down a little and feed the 1st round.

this is probably much easier to measure with a 20rd straight body mag instead of a 30 which curves.
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I just did 3 mags this way and need to shave down the rivet. . .

It must be the feeder not being long enough. . It is scraping on the trigger guard. Even after shaving it doesn't drop out of the mag when I insert the bullet into the BB tool.
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I just did 3 mags this way and need to shave down the rivet. . .

It must be the feeder not being long enough. . It is scraping on the trigger guard. Even after shaving it doesn't drop out of the mag when I insert the bullet into the BB tool.

try loosening the bullet button a little.

from recent reports, i hear c-products mags have been out of spec as well...if thats what u r using
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I like the glass of red wine on the workbench......a must when working with powertools and firearms.
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I like the glass of red wine on the workbench......a must when working with powertools and firearms.
My thoughts exactly . I would have been drinking beer, but i was out, and a nice red wine sounded perfect
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awesome thread, you can really get a rivet gun for 5 bucks?
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Even if you glued the floorplate I could still drill out the rivot and then turn the mag upside down and shake out the pieces. That would allow me to insert more then 10rds.

Not permanent!
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Even if you glued the floorplate I could still drill out the rivot and then turn the mag upside down and shake out the pieces. That would allow me to insert more then 10rds.

Not permanent!
HuH?

How can you shake out the peices? The follower will not come out the top of the magazine.
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I bought a rivet gun for about 7 bucks shipped off ebay.

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awesome thread, you can really get a rivet gun for 5 bucks?
He's talking about shaking out the rivets, not the follower.

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How can you shake out the peices? The follower will not come out the top of the magazine.
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As for you guys asking why a 10/30 instead of a 10 rounder. The biggest reason beside aesthetics is the ease of pulling a magazine out of your tac vest. I want you to insert your little 10 round magazines all the way into your tac vest and tell me how much slower it is to pull one out quickly and put it in your AR. I am not from California but I have done a lot of testing and research into 10/30 magazines. I exclusively sell magazines with the rivet method and epoxy over the rivet. If it is any conciliation, I supply these same magazines to many different gun shops in California. So if I am willing to put my butt on the line and all of these other gun shops are willing to do the same, you should be good. I am not telling you to be a sheep and follow everyone else though. I hope you guys keep researching this and finding out new information so you feel good with the way you are converting your magazines.
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I'm nowhere near owning a tac vest...guess I just can't picture the need to run off to battle. I'd prefer to have a plain old GI bandolier, which is designed to hold 10 rd stripper clips, but holds 10 rd mags instead. If the SHTF I'd just sling it over my shoulder, grab rifle, and go.

Unfortunately, I don't have a bandolier to see if the 10 rd mags fit.
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Haha. You're funny Swiss. If SHTF I would unconverting my mags if I had time.haha
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Haha. If SHTF I would unconverting my mags if I had time.haha
thats what the big special ammo box in the safe room is for.



the reasons I like the short 10 round mags:

they are great for bench shooting
you get no questions about them might being 20 or 30 rounders. Mostly just, wow, where'd you get those? They look like 10 rounds.

for muscle memory training stick with 10/30's.


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i dont see how a rivet can be construed as not permanent. take a look at pistol mags, they could be modified to accept more rounds with the use of a hammer and some leverage, and gun mfgs sell the hell outta them. aything can be made not permanent with the application of tools.

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A buddy of mine bought several 10/20 and 10/30 mags from riflegear.com. 8 of the 10 mags held 11 rounds. he ad to go through and rivet them to cover his ***. They were twice the price of rebuild kits and still had to do the work. I wish I would have seen this sticky before he had ordered his mag. Im not trying to be a hater on riflegear, they always been good to me. They just need to keep an eye on what they sell.
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i dont see how a rivet can be construed as not permanent. take a look at pistol mags, they could be modified to accept more rounds with the use of a hammer and some leverage, and gun mfgs sell the hell outta them. aything can be made not permanent with the application of tools.
exactly, go buy a factory 10 rounder. The base plate is not riveted or sealed. You can pop it off and bend a simple tang and you have a 12 rounder. Just play it safe and do your best to make it permanent.


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Ya I was surprised to find my buddies new Beretta 92F mags held 11 rounds factory stock no mods!

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One comment:
For USGI mags and Magpul followers, I found that a 5/16" wooden down from OSH that sells for <80cents will provide enough mag blocks for several magazines.

As with my AK mags, I'm a big advocate of something in the magwell to act as a block + rivets + epoxied floorplate. For my, why did I go with a larger mag cut down?
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- A few months ago, I couldn't find ANYONE with 5rd or 10rd doublestack AK mags so I had to go the 10/30 route.
- Some mags, like PPSH mags, are NOT available as 10rders. You HAVE to make them 10/xx mags.

2) Cost: Someone offered me (5) USGI mags as rebuild kits in a trade. It was worth it.

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I ordered three Magpul 20-rounders from MidwestPX - I used the 6.2cm measurement on 3/8" plastic clothes hangers, and everything worked perfectly! For info, the overall height of the internal follower/rod assembly is 2.77"-2.78". You can easily put in 10 rounds, but not 11 rounds. I also got the Magpul 30-rounder with riveted backstrap and bottom plate from MidwestPX- this also works perfectly. If I get more mags, I think I'll stick with the 20-rounders...

It tested all the mags at the range recently, no problems with anything...

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USGI mags tend to rust. And that method is certainly not permanent. I would not want to get caught with one anyhow.

www.calegalmags.com - save yourself the hassle!

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Well some tips for the newbs are to not do a 20 and 30 rounder at the same time, don't do this while not having the right tools because using a flimsy piece of plastic will get you a nine rounder. So far, I was successfully able to make a 9/20, a 12/20, and an 8/30. I just can't get the measurements right so they're now disassembled for my pre-ban parts stack. I have a ton of 20 round straight bodied mags and not a lot of 30's but a few. I'm trying to make some kits but it looks like they're going to be parts now.
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www.calegalmags.com - save yourself the hassle!

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Using this guide, I just made my first two 10/30s. Thanks for saving me from dropping $25 on a C-Products 10-rounder!
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I tend to want to be overly cautious when it comes to being arrested and/or having my gun taken away by an LEO. That last scenarios sucks, because you will either loose it entirely or you will spend more to get the gun back then the gun is worth.

I am still building my AR, but I will have more then $1500 into the build (without the scope). I look at the cost of a new gun versus the cost of a $28 magazine. Having by AR taken away because I was too cheap to either buy a preconfigured CA legal magazine or fixing it beyond modification is penny wise and pound-foolish. The mag should last a few years, so I will just treat the magazine as a throw away. That is about 2% of my rifle cost. Cheaper then the first real visit to an attorney.

I am planning to buy a Magpul PMAG from Riflegear.com. Yes, I am paying double what I should, but they do all the work and they will warranty the product. At least for this instance, I will pay for their services. If it breaks, I send it back under warranty. With the 10 round capacity fixed internally and the floor plate fixed, I think a reasonable LEO should feel I have made the effort to create a “permanent” 10 round magazine. If it goes beyond that, then I got a hard-nosed LEO and I was probably in trouble the minute I woke up that morning.
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Originally Posted by justbill5789 View Post
I tend to want to be overly cautious when it comes to being arrested and/or having my gun taken away by an LEO. That last scenarios sucks, because you will either loose it entirely or you will spend more to get the gun back then the gun is worth.

I am still building my AR, but I will have more then $1500 into the build (without the scope). I look at the cost of a new gun versus the cost of a $28 magazine. Having by AR taken away because I was too cheap to either buy a preconfigured CA legal magazine or fixing it beyond modification is penny wise and pound-foolish. The mag should last a few years, so I will just treat the magazine as a throw away. That is about 2% of my rifle cost. Cheaper then the first real visit to an attorney.

I am planning to buy a Magpul PMAG from Riflegear.com. Yes, I am paying double what I should, but they do all the work and they will warranty the product. At least for this instance, I will pay for their services. If it breaks, I send it back under warranty. With the 10 round capacity fixed internally and the floor plate fixed, I think a reasonable LEO should feel I have made the effort to create a “permanent” 10 round magazine. If it goes beyond that, then I got a hard-nosed LEO and I was probably in trouble the minute I woke up that morning.
You're reading too much into it.

Want permanence? Follow the guide and THEN epoxy the floor plate. That is pretty damn permanent, sans breaking the magazine floor plate to open the magazine.
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