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Old 06-23-2018, 3:30 PM
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Thumbs up SoCal Shotgun/Skeet Clinics First Time Experience

Just wanted to mention my first experience with the SoCal Shotgun/Skeet Clinic held this morning at Triple B's. 06/23/2018

Without question, one of the best bang for the bucks. (no pun intended)
This clinic is equivalent to taking private lessons at less than 10% of the cost. Being a newer skeet shooter there were eye opening experiences today that I never would have caught on otherwise. One of the biggest benefits for me were proper mounting and stance. These fundamental techniques can be used for all clay events: Trap/Skeet/Sporting Clays/Five Stand.

Another important thing that Don Ziegler taught me today was while he was very avid about his technique regarding stance and swinging your body to following the birds, he recognizes that everyone will end up developing their own style as they keep shooting.

Another valuable thing that stuck with me is how he constantly reminded us of our subliminal memory. It's so important to focus when you ARE NOT AT THE STATION READY TO SHOOT. Since Skeet is a multi player game, you should focus while all other shooters in front of you take their turn. At the moment you are up, it's simply: See the bird, shoot the bird. All the elements that go into developing a good technique, and planning, should be done before hand. Your brain will naturally calculate all the leads the more you practice. I can go on with details, but the real point of this thread is to welcome other members who have attended this clinic and share their experiences, techniques and add any tips to this thread for other members to see.

I can't recommend enough for all CG members to take advantage of this clinic. It was an incredible eye opening experience for me and I bet every other person who attended today would agree with me. Two last points that are paramount to this are Safety and HAVING FUN!!!!!!! Please keep this thread alive by contributing your own experiences with this clinic. I promise that anyone who is thinking about attending these in the future, will not regret it!!!

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I plan on doing one of these with you soon.


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Old 06-23-2018, 4:14 PM
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I've been to at least 20 of these clinics, and every time I go there is something new to be learned.
At the first one of these clinics you attend there will be so much information thrown at you, you will not be able to remember it all later. Once you go to two, three or four of them it all really begins to sink in.
These clinics are a great value for anyone that wants to improve their shotgun skills, no matter what their current skill level is.

I think I'll be attending another one soon...
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I also took the SoCal Shotgun/Skeet Clinic today on June 23rd at Triple B Clays. This was my 3rd attendance of this clinic, and I continue learning skeet shooting basics as if I were taking private lessons. It's 111 miles round trip for me, but it's well worthwhile.

Like martial arts, you stick to one sensei until you become a black belt. In my case for skeet shooting, Coach Don Ziegler and Coach Richard (Captain Dick) are my sensei.

I highly recommend the SoCal Shotgun/Skeet Clinic for all level of clay shooters. Do not forget to buy Don Ziegler's book "Z Technique For Skeet Shooting" which is available at the class.

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Next clinic is July 21st!

Check the two stickies at the top of the Shotgun Discussion forum for full details.

Thanks fecalguns for the great post.
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I was there today with my friend Matt. Had a great time and learned a whole bunch. It is so different from rifle shooting, forget everything you thought you knew about guns and shooting. Shotguns are totally different.
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I apologize for not mentioning Richard earlier. (Don's associate instructor) He was a real inspiration and very meticulous with us which helped us immensely! Big KUDOS!

Here's a pic I grabbed off another clinic thread showing Richard instructing another shooter. I hope this is okay.

OH! And yes! "KEEP YOUR BOOGER FINGER ON THE TRIGGER. LOVE DON ZIEGLER!" LOL


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People keep mentioning about your finger on the trigger. What's that about?

When you shoot your finger is on the trigger, when you're not shooting, it isn't.

Is it different in skeet?
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People keep mentioning about your finger on the trigger. What's that about?

When you shoot your finger is on the trigger, when you're not shooting, it isn't.

Is it different in skeet?
Don's rule is: As soon as you are ready to mount, put your finger onto the trigger. If you were hunting and a bird flew over, you have one less step to deal with. Same with Skeet.
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You put your finger on the trigger before you mount the gun?
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You put your finger on the trigger before you mount the gun?
Once you raise the gun to your cheek, your finger is on the trigger. EDIT: To clarify, you have your finger on the trigger as you raise the gun to your cheek.

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Yeah, as opposed to what?
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Yeah, as opposed to what?
Some of us were mounted with a straight finger which drove him nuts. LOL While I didn't have a straight finger on the side, my finger was not actually touching the trigger and he stopped me to point that out.
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You put your finger on the trigger before you mount the gun?
That is right. Mounted or low gun, finger is on the trigger when you call pull.


Zeigler is a stickler on that. "PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER!!!!! IF I HAVE TO TELL YOU ONE MORE-TIME-----------!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Yeah, as opposed to what?
Brad. FWIW it was a great deal even for seasoned shooters who want a tune up. It's not necessarily designed only for beginners. He mentioned that he doesn't care what level of a shooter you are.
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That is right. Mounted or low gun, finger is on the trigger when you call pull.


Zeigler is a stickler on that. "PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER!!!!! IF I HAVE TO TELL YOU ONE MORE-TIME-----------!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Here's a bigger one to show her finger.

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Some of us were mounted with a straight finger which drove him nuts. LOL While I didn't have a straight finger on the side, my finger was not actually touching the trigger and he stopped me to point that out.
Richard and Don teach you to take your eyes off the barrel and find your look point. Sometimes they have your gun pointed right at the ground. Your eyes are loosely focused on your look point. When the flash of the clay is seen the gun is driven to the target and the shot is taken. I find this technique to be very useful shooting sporting clays. That technique has also helped me call for the bird lowgun. Before long you forget what the barrel looks like as you are never looking at them but hard focusing on the bird. I started as a rifle shooter and was always checking the barrel to judge the lead.
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Richard and Don teach you to take your eyes off the barrel and find your look point. Sometimes they have your gun pointed right at the ground. Your eyes are loosely focused on your look point. When the flash of the clay is seen the gun is driven to the target and the shot is taken. I find this technique to be very useful shooting sporting clays. That technique has also helped me call for the bird lowgun. Before long you forget what the barrel looks like as you are never looking at them but hard focusing on the bird. I started as a rifle shooter and was always checking the barrel to judge the lead.
Exactly right as I remember them saying that today.
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Exactly right as I remember them saying that today.
It's in Don's book too. In fact Don beat me up so bad my first time, my head was spinning. Then he showed me the book he wrote. It was his last one and I made him sell it too me. If not for that I would not have come back, as I could study the days events that night and memorize them. I still do almost exactly the same.

Station 7 Don had had enough of me. I was not bending my knee, so he was kicking me in the back of the leg asking if it worked. Boy that got the point across. "Pivot on that bent knee, and rotate the hips!!!!" I always forgot to bend the knee.
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It's in Don's book too. In fact Don beat me up so bad my first time, my head was spinning. Then he showed me the book he wrote. It was his last one and I made him sell it too me. If not for that I would not have come back, as I could study the days events that night and memorize them. I still do almost exactly the same.
That's awesome.
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Just wanted to say that I am convinced that the clinic yesterday helped my game today. Today was the first time I shot a 23 of skeet for a round. My best count before was 22. I truly believe that the correction in my stance and reminding myself not to lift my head AT ALL helped me get a 23 and an overall score of 63 at the Sansei shoot today at Triple B's.

Thanks again Don and Richard!
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Just wanted to say that I am convinced that the clinic yesterday helped my game today. Today was the first time I shot a 23 of skeet for a round. My best count before was 22. I truly believe that the correction in my stance and reminding myself not to lift my head AT ALL helped me get a 23 and an overall score of 63 at the Sansei shoot today at Triple B's.

Thanks again Don and Richard!
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