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Hello all,

Long story short a friend of mine has a friend who recently inherited some guns and needs to know what they are worth.

Not having enough knowledge myself I reach out to you - calguns gurus - for help.

Thank you in advance.



Gun 1 - Springfield Model 1873






Gun 2 - I think it is a Winchester Model 1883 Hotchkiss





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Gun 3 - I think it is a Hepburn 1879






Gun 4 - I think this is Edward Maynard 1873



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Gun 5 - Remington Model 11





Gun 6 - Browning O/U 20 Ga Superposed




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Gun 7 - Savage Model 5




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It is a she, and a very good person from what I understand.
That is why I am trying to help. Any ranges for some of these would be good to know (assuming I am naming the guns correctly) so that she can figure out if further appraisal should be done.

I may be getting more pictures today so I will keep posting.
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Where are you located....I'll give some auction houses in your area to have them appraised.....this is the correct way to see exactly what you have.

Some of those guns are worth a good chunk of change....I will not go into details on a public forum.

The #6 20ga is a Browning Superposed
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Where are you located....I'll give some auction houses in your area to have them appraised.....this is the correct way to see exactly what you have.

Some of those guns are worth a good chunk of change....I will not go into details on a public forum.

The #6 20ga is a Browning Superposed
The owner is in Los Angeles.
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I'll start the bidding at twenty buck a piece. Back to you, Howard....
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I'll start the bidding at twenty buck a piece. Back to you, Howard....
LOL, was waiting for that.
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That Trapdoor should fetch between 500 and 700 if still shootable.

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I agree with Bainter1212, gun #1 is about a $500-$800 depending on condition, probably on the lower end of that range based on the photos.

Guns #2-4 I am not familiar with but have the feeling they are worth a pretty penny and are probably the type of rifles you would want auctioned off at Rock Island, especially the Winchesters

Gun #5 the Remington 11 is probably in the range of $250-$500

Gun #6 the Browning O/U is a quality over under, I don't know much about them but know even the cheap Turkish-made current production copies go for about $600. I would expect at least $1,000 and maybe even over $2,000, you'll have to research it further.

Gun #7 the Savage model 5 .22 is probably going to be $300 maximum if you find a vintage Savage collector, I think realistically it's probably a $150 gun


Message the user TRAP55 on here, he will probably be a good resource with guns #2-4


What about the flintlock pistol I see hiding in the back of the closet? And those pump .22s?
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Unless that Rem 11 has a flaming bomb on it, I would value it at more like $200.

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what is that leaning in the left corner in first pic
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I will be posting more stuff tomorrow. She sent over more pics. One of the handgun seems like there should be a good story with it. I think that would be the only reason it would be in the same case with the rest of them.
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From what I can see in the pics:

Winchester 3rd Model Hotchkiss in excellent condition $4,500+

Remington Hepburn #3 Match $3,500+. Good chance the Nickle receiver and engraving may have been factory special order. With provenance, could bump up to $6K, weren't many made.

Maynard Mid Range Target $2500+

Calibers and bore condition on the Hepburn and Maynard effect pricing.

Browning Superposed 20ga $2,200-$2,800. Chokes, bore condition and lockup wear dictate price. Chokes are marked on the left side of the cambers. If the top lever is anywhere left of 6 o'clock, it needs work.
Don't shoulder it, or you'll buy it.

Post pics of the .22's and the Stevens Pocket Rifle!

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Beautiful collection. The only one I can comment on is the trap door. I'd place it close to $500, as condition isn't all that great and the "US" has been ground from the lock.

Also, check its serial number. It's likely a model 1884 with that flat Buffington rear sight. Could also be an updated 1873 but many 1884's had 1873 breech blocks.
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From what I can see in the pics:

Winchester 3rd Model Hotchkiss in excellent condition $4,500+

Remington Hepburn #3 Match $3,500+. Good chance the Nickle receiver and engraving may have been factory special order. With provenance, could bump up to $6K, weren't many made.

Maynard Mid Range Target $2500+

Calibers and bore condition on the Hepburn and Maynard effect pricing.

Browning Superposed 20ga $2,200-$2,800. Chokes, bore condition and lockup wear dictate price. Chokes are marked on the left side of the cambers. If the top lever is anywhere left of 6 o'clock, it needs work.
Don't shoulder it, or you'll buy it.

Post pics of the .22's and the Stevens Pocket Rifle!
These honest appraisals are going to seriously undermine the efforts of others who identify the rifles as worthless and swoop in with lowball offers.
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See: Blue Book of Gun Values

You can buy the book, get on online subscription or pay by view for each gun value you want. Best way to get the info you want/need IMO.
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Well they are worth what someone will pay on any given day.. That said, there are some very valuable, desirable and Beautiful Firearms in those photos.

All are out of my financial means for sure. They go to a good auction venue, they could go crazy.

But then you have large Fees included at some of those Auction Houses.

Those Blue Book guides and such in my opinion are worthless in determining true value. They are usually way, way off.

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Everyone else on this forum has made an impulse buy recently, so Iím hoping I can add to the trend with that Model 11.
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Gun 8 - Marlin. 1887?





Gun 9 - Remington Arms- Union Mettalic Cartridge Co.





Gun 10 - Winchester Model 60A Patent Pending




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Gun 11 - Winchester Model 90 Pattent 1911





Gun 12 - Winchester Model 61 I believe because it has an octagon barrel and is chambered in .22 long it is a custom one





Gun 13 - Unknown - please help identify



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Gun 14 - Stevens & Co. Pocket Rifle





Gun 15 - Unknown. Please help identify






Gun 16 - this is the one I was talking about. Should have a story behind its existence and why it was a part of the collection, but I don't know it.


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Sorry brother, didn't mean to pizz in your cornflakes.
Helluva collection ain't it? Not only desirable models, but the condition they're in!
MV, Swamped with Dr. appointments and the worker comp battle right now, I'll try to get back to the .22's on Fri. Need caliber on the Marlin, and barrel length on the 60A. The 60A is the early finger groove model, and that Model 90 .22LR are both collector guns, hard to find, especially in that condition!
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Sorry brother, didn't mean to pizz in your cornflakes.
Helluva collection ain't it? Not only desirable models, but the condition they're in!
MV, Swamped with Dr. appointments and the worker comp battle right now, I'll try to get back to the .22's on Fri. Need caliber on the Marlin, and barrel length on the 60A. The 60A is the early finger groove model, and that Model 90 .22LR are both collector guns, hard to find, especially in that condition!
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Another place to look is at Gunbroker, for sold items. Some of these are pretty rare so many may not be listed. A very nice collection of early firearms. Some serious coin for the whole lot.
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Whoever put together that collection had really good taste.

I might be interested in that pocket rifle if you decide on a value.

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Gun #16 is a double barrel percussion handgun. Most of these were made in Spain for the South American market. They, and their pinfire cousins were ubiquitous throughout South America well into the 1930s. They are primitive, but surprisingly effective. The normal calibers ranged from around 9mm up through .45-ish. A lot of the pinfires were in 12mm, though I have seen a few examples that were 15mm. The percussion calibers could be anything.

Judging from the Old West theme going on in this collection as a whole, I would guess that the pistol made it's way up to Mexico, and eventually across the border. It appears to have a replacement grip, and some shade tree repairs to keep it functional. These were generally low-cost guns that were used mainly for self defense. They are not especially useful at anything past a couple of yards. However, in remote areas, without medical care, or before antibiotics? Getting shot with one could easily be a death sentence. And as you can see from the repairs, they could be kept mostly functional by anybody with a hint of mechanical inclination. There are some very fine examples of these out there. This isn't one of them. I am sure it has a heck of a story behind it. But I wouldn't try to fire it or restore it. Leave it as is, and just admire it for the piece of history that it is.

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Something that I found:
https://www.justanswer.com/bluebookf...lt-action.html



Model/configuration – Model 1883 Hotchkiss bolt-action rifle (AKA Hotchkiss Magazine Gun) First Style, .45-70 Gov't cal., with 24, 26, or 32 inch bbl., and blue finish.

Additional Information – designed by Benjamin D. Hotchkiss, unique tube mag. located in buttstock attached to receiver, up-turn/pull-back bolt action, 26 in. round or octagon barrel standard on rifle. Over 84,000 mfg. between 1879-1889.

Value Range (based on percentage of original finish on the gun and in working order):

100% - $--
98% - $--
95% - $2,500
90% - $2,150
80% - $1,800
70% - $1,500
60% - $1,350
50% - $1,200
40% - $1,050
30% - $900
20% - $850
10% - $800

NOTES:

* Subtract 25% for carbine configuration (24 in. round barrel with one band), or musket (32 in. round barrel with cleaning rod and two barrel bands).

* Add 25% for Deluxe Model with fancy pistol grip checkered wood.
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These guns are freakin sweet. When should we expect to see them in the market place?
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Is the tang sight on the Winchester 61 rare? I would assume so because Iíve not seen a tang sight model.
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After TRAPs info I'd be sending those photos to Rock Island Auctions they squeeze the most out of the true collectors, they have a large following with deep pockets.

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Special order factory option Lyman tang sight. Octagon barrel in the single .22 Long Rifle chambering was special order too. $1200+, maybe $200-$300 more on the auctions in that condition.
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Thank you all.

Can someone identify #13 and #15?
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Gun 17 - Another Unknown

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