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Old 01-07-2009, 11:57 PM
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Not sure if this should be here or in the gunsmithing forum, but oh well. I'd like for the trigger pull on my Custom II to be a bit sharper. I figure the less time I have to spend sqqquuuueeeeeeeeezzzing it the better my groupings will be. I tested a Glock 19 today and the miles of trigger pull on that thing really made me appreciate my Kimber (not to mention pushing me in the direction of testing out a SIG next, then H&K, etc.). BUT, strangely, I like the SA feel of my Taurus Tracker better than my 1911 and that just doesn't seem right!

So where do I go from here? I'm thinking a local gunsmith, naturally. How long does it take, and how much does a trigger adjustment/alteration usually cost? I don't necessarily want a "hair trigger". I just want it to be a little shorter/lighter.

Or, am I completely off the mark in thinking something like this will help my shooting at all?
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:06 AM
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BUT, strangely, I like the SA feel of my Taurus Tracker better than my 1911 and that just doesn't seem right!
Um, why not? You might equal a revolver SA trigger pull but I can't see how you could better it, and the Kimber's trigger is kept at 4-5 lbs (OK, I'm guessing, that's what it is supposed to be on my TLE) to avoid an AD under stress. People don't limit SA revolver triggers for combat situations so far as I know--if you are worried about that you probably wanted DAO. Without that limitation, why *wouldn't* the Tracker's trigger be better, or lighter anyway?

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Old 01-08-2009, 12:18 AM
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Um, why not? You might equal a revolver SA trigger pull but I can't see how you could better it, and the Kimber's trigger is kept at 4-5 lbs (OK, I'm guessing, that's what it is supposed to be on my TLE) to avoid an AD under stress. People don't limit SA revolver triggers for combat situations so far as I know--if you are worried about that you probably wanted DAO. Without that limitation, why *wouldn't* the Tracker's trigger be better, or lighter anyway?

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I guess you have a point there. In my mind, it just seems that the revolver would be the more "crude" of the two.

I don't know, on the Kimber there are a few 'phases' to the trigger. First, there's about maybe 1-2mm of just slop - no resistance at all. Then there's some firm resistance for maybe another mm or 2, then finally there's the last, hardest portion before BANG.

On the Tracker, it's firm and solid from the start and an even squeeze yields even travel and a predictable shot. There's no guessing.

I know the easiest way would be to practice more and just get used to it, but if I can have it cleaned up a bit I think I'd save some money on ammo over the long haul and have a better time shooting. Or am I being unrealistic?
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:23 AM
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Where are you located, also how many rounds have you fired so far with your Custom II??? I am really happy with my Custom II and it's trigger pull, nice and easy feels like butter. I've even had the chance to hold and dry fire my local trigger job specialist's Kimber TLE with a Trigger Job. Honestly it was a bit less travel and a bit more crisp, but my groupings are generally pretty good for the distance i like to shoot at.

The thing with having work like that done is the wait, or at least at my shop. There is a 2-3 week wait for all work to be done currently, and I honestly do not want to part ways with my Custom II for that long. I'd feel naked without my Custom II being near me at all times

Also the cost can be quite hefty, up to $150 or so for a trigger job. To each is their own, I wish you well with your endeavor.

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Old 01-08-2009, 1:19 AM
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Just take it to your local qualified gunsmith and they can make it real good.

If you want to improve it without spending much cash or taking it to a gunsmith then buy a main spring for a Colt Gold Cup. That should lighten the trigger some.

If you want it great then junk the stock Kimber trigger parts and buy Cylinder and Slide parts and have a qualified gunsmith install them, and set the trigger pull to whatever you want.

If you listed where you live people on here could point you to a qualified local gunsmith.
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Sorry, I'm in San Jose.


Edit: California.
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Go to Irvington Arms in Fremont, they'll take care of you there I always seem to misplace my $$$ there

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You're out of my area I can't help you with a local smith. If you want go to www.brownells.com http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/sch...Combat+Target+

If this links works then it should get you to the factory Colt parts. This is the part number 160-116-102 for a Gold Cup main spring it should be lighter than your Kimber spring. It's under 6 bucks buy it and try it.

Also while you are there look up Cylinder and Slide and see what the best quality trigger parts will run you.
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...Custom II
...Glock 19
...SIG
...H&K
...Taurus Tracker

So where do I go from here?

I'm confused as to what exactly you are looking for / want???

Your original post states 4-5 completely different trigger actions:

Custom II = single action 1911
Glock 19 = Safe Action
Sig = More Info Needed
HK = More Info Needed
Tarrus Tracker = Revolver

???
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You're out of my area I can't help you with a local smith. If you want go to www.brownells.com http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/sch...Combat+Target+

If this links works then it should get you to the factory Colt parts. This is the part number 160-116-102 for a Gold Cup main spring it should be lighter than your Kimber spring. It's under 6 bucks buy it and try it.

Also while you are there look up Cylinder and Slide and see what the best quality trigger parts will run you.

Cool, thanks! That spring looks a bit burried. I have some experience tinkering with things, but I'd hate to have to bring my gun into a 'smith in a baggie..

I've shot about 500 rounds of WWB 230gr through it and I'm the original owner. I don't plan on entering any competitions with it or anything, it's mostly for plinking. I just feel there's probably some room for improvement.
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I'm confused as to what exactly you are looking for / want???

Your original post states 4 completely different trigger actions:

Custom II = single action 1911
Glock 19 = Safe Action
Sig = More Info Needed
HK = More Info Needed
Tarrus Tracker = Revolver

???
The post is about improving the trigger pull for the Kimber. When compared to the Tracker, I much prefer the Tracker's SA trigger to that of the Kimber. However, compared to the Glock 19, the Kimber is golden. I mentioned that as the far end of the spectrum. The Sig and HK came up because I was considering a G19 but now I'm thinking about looking elsewhere after actually shooting the Glock and not liking the trigger action at all.
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Old 01-08-2009, 10:35 AM
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It's pretty basic really. Make sure the gun is unloaded have the hammer down. Tape or rubberband down the beavertail and then knock out the pin at the bottom of the grip it will come right out and is just under a little spring pressure. Knock out the little pin in the mainspring housing being careful a little more spring pressure. There is 3 parts to come out the top detent the spring and the bottom part. I don't remember what they are called but you get the idea. Replace the bottom part and the spring then the top part put in the pin and slide it in place.
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last night i just replace the hammer, sear and disconnector on my friends kimber with a Cylinder and Slide kit and i end up having a crisp less than 2# trigger. the pins (hammer, sear and disconnector pins) are a little bit bigger on kimber than on my other 1911/2011 so i have to rim the holes on sear and hammer another problem is that the thumb safety wont activate will try to work on it again tonight if no luck it will go to our gunsmith
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Old 01-08-2009, 11:31 AM
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last night i just replace the hammer, sear and disconnector on my friends kimber with a Cylinder and Slide kit and i end up having a crisp less than 2# trigger. the pins (hammer, sear and disconnector pins) are a little bit bigger on kimber than on my other 1911/2011 so i have to rim the holes on sear and hammer another problem is that the thumb safety wont activate will try to work on it again tonight if no luck it will go to our gunsmith
A thumb safety must be fitted to the sear. If you can't engage it, you need to take some material off the lug that blocks the sear. Since you can apparently get it in the gun, it won't take much to fit it.

Have you function tested the gun? If it is really 2# (Cylinder and Slide's "best" kit says 3.5#) then you better check to see if the hammer follows. This is the one time you need to drop the slide on an empty chamber from slide lock. If the hammer follows to half cock, you need to add tension to the sear spring.
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are a little bit bigger on kimber than on my other 1911/2011 so i have to rim the holes on sear and hammer another problem is that the thumb safety wont activate will try to work on it again tonight if no luck it will go to our gunsmith
The 1911 thumb safety has to be mated to the hammer/sear. Been there, done that too many times. It is not a drop in part. If you change the hammer/sear, your old safety will likely not fit as you found out.

http://www.brazoscustom.com/magart/0601.htm

Go very very slow. It is easy to take off too much material. You need a small file. Do not use a dremel. Also, mod the safety, not the hammer or sear.

I've seen way too many 1911s that have been screwed up by garage "gunsmiths."

It is easy to take off metal. Impossible to put it back.
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did the function test: slide lock and release no hammer follow except for the ambi safety issue i will try to look on it again tonight and if i cannot do it G.smith will finish the job thanks for all your help KRUZR<, nobs11, JTROKS
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went to a hardware store and bought some small files and follow the tips above and the safety is working........ thanks again for your help
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I've shot about 500 rounds of WWB 230gr through it and I'm the original owner.
This might sound like a stupid question but have you cleaned the gun and lubed the trigger assembly yet?
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