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Old 11-10-2017, 2:28 PM
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First, let me say I wish i was more eloquent in my writing and could convey my thoughts better. But here goes. My take on AR15's and assault rifles in general and why i believe they are protected under the 2nd amendment is simple.

Some don't seem to get the big picture. Again, the 2nd amendment isn't about your personal home defense or hunting rights. A pistol or hunting rifle is all you need for that. First issue that anti gun lobby uses in regards to why assault weapons should be banned. This is a big misconception with many people. That's why the second amendment was worded the way it was. No where does it mention personal defense or hunting or collecting etc. If it did the anti gun movement could have made assault rifles illegal a long time ago. Any American has the right to bare arms("arms is the word in the amendment) to be used in a militia if necessary, but individually citizens are allowed to keep these arms. A little pistol won't cut it nor your hunting rifle as a militia. The word militia. is derived from the word military. An AR15 is a military style weapon, with only one different feature. It can only fire semi automatic...which is the acceptable difference and the compromise the people have settled on for decades and what the forefathers intended as having arms appropriate for a militia. Just as the colonist had the latest weapons of the time to equal their enemy of the time. If the Brits back then had assault rifles...then so would the colonist. You don't arm your militia with hunting rifles or shot guns when your enemy is using assault weapons. Its kinda common sense. But just because some don't get it or agree doesn't make it unimportant and unnecessary. Changing the constitution is, in many ways, like changing the bible. Would you do that...maybe to meet your idea of what you think is more relative to" today's world" and second guess what god really intended. Maybe some people feel god made a mistake so altering the bible it is a good thing. And maybe our forefathers were morons on this one amendment so we should just change it. And while we're at it and since it wasn't so important we couldn't change it, lets keep changing the constitution to meet our modern ideas of how things should be. Sure, why not? What could a bunch of old time ancient people from the 1700's know about anyway. Everything is different. Life is different and we people are evolved and crime is gone and corruption doesn't happen as well as there are no tyrannical dictators anymore, right? Yeah, sure. Using the words of the second amendment ensures and guarantees the right to have a modern gun equal to any weapon that may be used against us. My 2 cents.
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It's not an assault rifle. Its a defense rifle.
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Just as the colonist had the latest weapons of the time to equal their enemy of the time. If the Brits back then had assault rifles...then so would the colonist.
While the British regulars were using muskets, some colonists were using rifles. In that regard, their firearms were superior to the British army.
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Old 11-10-2017, 4:47 PM
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I think most of us agree that the 2nd amendment is clearly written, "shall not infringe" is about as clear as you can get. Still, you are comparing common sense, legality, and logic to politics. The two have no common ground.
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Old 11-10-2017, 10:44 PM
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F THAT Beeeeeeooootch.... all i have to say...oh and she needs to go to pasture,buy the farm,go to the glue factory,you name it. Ive suffered under that witch's evil spells since i could first own firearms..or soon after... she is like a cockroach
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OP well written. We understand and agree. The problem is Old Hags like Frankenstein don't get it. Three Women in the World I wish would just Croak are Feinstein, Clinton, & Ginsberg. Just the sound of their TV bites drives me crazy
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Feinswine has been a civilian disarmament zealot for years with a level of ignorance that is truly astounding
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Modern sporting rifles are in common use. That alone grants it protection under the 2nd.
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screw her and her ink...
it she has her way,berzerkley and sacremento will have the upper hand and give mexico or china the high sigh to come take the prk free and clear...
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Our original assault weapons definition applies to centerfire only. This bill says "regardless of caliber." A little to early to start **** but would this now include rimfire also? In regards to features...

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Her goal has ALWAYS been total civilian disarmament.
No compromise no exceptions.
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Her goal has ALWAYS been total civilian disarmament.
No compromise no exceptions.
This.
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Her proposal is significantly worse than what CA has. It includes rimfire rifles.

Additionally, most of the 2200 rifles specifically exempted were exempt to begin with (as they aren't semiauto).
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Feinswine has been a civilian disarmament zealot for years with a level of ignorance that is truly astounding
Sir with all respect Feinstein is not ignorant!
She knows full well the consequence’s of victim disarmament and she approves the killing fields of Cambodia and every other genocide committed by central government s who found portions of their population expendable.

Her along with every other gun grabber in govt positions plan on being those who call the shots
on who lives and who gets terminated if the occasion arises.

As Uncle Joe Stalin explained “ to make an omelette one must break a few eggs! In Stalins case a few eggs were estimated at over 25 million killed! Note I would use the term murdered but it doesn't apply when governments carry out the acts!
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Again, the 2nd amendment isn't about your personal home defense or hunting rights.A pistol or hunting rifle is all you need for that.
Have you ever seen home invasion robbery vids with multiple armed bad guys?

A single person even with an AR-15 with 30 round magazines with training would be in an extremely scary situation. A pistol or hunting rifle for home defense is pathetically out gunned if even more than 1 armed baddie shows up!
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Those of you who can't wait to register their 80% home builds better be aware that that even if you simply VOLREG them as featureless rifles that you're setting yourself up for confiscation when featureless won't help you should they make new draconian laws that classify any rifle made with an AR lower as an assault rifle or even banning semi-auto rifles of any kind. I'm not advocating that anyone break the law. I'm only bringing this up so all of know exactly what is at stake here.
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Those of you who can't wait to register their 80% home builds better be aware that that even if you simply VOLREG them as featureless rifles that you're setting yourself up for confiscation when featureless won't help you should they make new draconian laws that classify any rifle made with an AR lower as an assault rifle or even banning semi-auto rifles of any kind. I'm not advocating that anyone break the law. I'm only bringing this up so all of know exactly what is at stake here.
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We've not been allowed "assault rifles" by name since 1985.The antis just keep changing and making new laws to suit them
because they keep failing to do what they were intended as written.
You can't stop anyone who has a car from running people over, you can't stop a crazy person with a gun from going postal and shooting down innocent people.
It's a leap of faith in civilized societies.
This 1% is a gray area that is the problem.
Illegal immigration for votes, turning felonies into misdemeanors, and pot for all is a step in the wrong direction. But them again...they the politicians know this.
It's all part of the lefts plan to bring the US down.

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We've not been allowed "assault rifles" by name since 1985.The antis just keep changing and making new laws to suit them
because they keep failing to do what they were intended as written.
You can't stop anyone who has a car from running people over, you can't stop a crazy person with a gun from going postal and shooting down innocent people.
It's a leap of faith in civilized societies.
This 1% is a gray area that is the problem.
Illegal immigration for votes, turning felonies into misdemeanors, and pot for all is a step in the wrong direction. But them again...they the politicians know this.
It's all part of the lefts plan to bring the US down.

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I agree with most of your argument & would even add the question of what a trip to Home Depot & a diesel fill up can accomplish a determined killer. What if Columbine kids had no guns & perfected their explosives skills?

However, to remain true, we must take a libertarian platform & allow freedom for all proclivities. Keep government out of our medicine cabinets, as well, if one wishes to retain consistency with freedom argument. The framers didnít want them taking our guns & they didnít want them choosing which poisons to allow big gov to regulate. Take a sip of whiskey & talk about the efficacy of the War on Drugs, let alone the % of the prison population incarcerated for alcohol related horror shows. Finally, & of greatest importance is the question of morality & hypocrisy related to any gov interference in our lives...the true fascists are the libs. Why emulate them?

Ok, sorry man, done with my rant. No offense intended, just think smaller government is the real answer & what we fight for might be anathema to those fighting for other laisseiz faire issues that might seem distasteful to the rest of us.

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It's not an assault rifle. Its a defense rifle.
A Personal Defense Rifle!
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F*** this state.
Phew. I feel better.
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Trying to stay relevant so she can get re-elected?
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As she lives with armed guards, attack dogs and armoured limos.
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