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Old 11-09-2017, 4:31 PM
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Default LIST OF DOJ AW REGISTRATION REJECTIONS

Posting a list of the AW registration kickback notices iv received and their frequency. Feel free to list yours as well to help others.
TOTAL KICKBACKS TO DATE: 68


2X : *THESE WERE REFERRING TO AN ANGLED FOR GRIP ON AN AR PISTOL, AND THE MAG WELL ON A KRISS VECTOR PISTOL (NO AFTERMARKET FORWARD GRIP AT ALL)*
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Thank you for submitting your application. Based on the photos you provided, there are additional characteristics shown on your firearm that were not marked on the application. Please refer to Section 5471(gg) in the following regulations: Ahttps://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/regs/text-adopted-regulations-bullet-button.pdf
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*THIS WAS REFERRING TO A HARD TO SEE SERIAL NUMBER ON A KRISS VECTOR PISTOL*

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Thank you for submitting your application. Based on the photos you provided, we cannot locate the serial number on your firearm. Please submit a photo of your serial number as an additional image (submit using optional extra image). Refer to section 5474 (c) in the following regulations: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf
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4X : *THIS WAS REFERRING TO HOMEBUILT 80% FIREARMS (BOTH VOLREG'D AND NOT- OTHERS ONLY ATF SPEC ENGRAVING)*

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Thank you for submitting your application. Please refer to section 5474.2 in the following regulations regarding serial number application and marking requirements: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf. E-mail dojserialnumber@doj.ca.gov to request a new serial number application form BOF 1008.
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2X : *THIS WAS REFERRING TO HOMEBUILT 80% FIREARMS (BOTH VOLREG'D AND NOT- OTHERS ONLY ATF SPEC ENGRAVING) - AFTER THE FORM WAS RELEASED*

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Thank you for submitting your application. Your firearm requires a DOJ issued serial number. The New Serial Number Application form (BOF 1008) can be found at https://oag.ca.gov/firearms under Forms and Publications. Please refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474.2 regarding serial number application requirements: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf. For questions, email DOJSerialNumber@doj.ca.gov.
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*THIS WAS REFERRING TO A VEPR 12 SHOTGUN MADE BY MOLOT/FIME GROUP*

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Thank you for submitting your application. Based on the photos you provided, the make of your firearm is Vyatskie Polyany. Please correct your application to reflect Vyatskie Polyany as your make. Refer to section 5474 (b) in the following regulations: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf
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15X : *THIS WAS REFERRING TO ALL FIREARMS I ACCIDENTALLY CHECKED THE UNDER 30" BOX (I STILL HAVE TWO MORE IN WHICH I ACCIDENTALLY CHECKED THE BOX THAT HAVE NOT BEEN KICKED BACK, AN AUG AND SCAR 16S)*

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Thank you for submitting your application. It appears your firearm may be longer than 30 inches. If a firearm is over 30 inches the "less than 30 inches" box cannot be checked. If your firearm is under 30 inches, submit a clear, top-view photo of your firearm (from stock to barrel) laid on a flat surface with a tape measure above it. Refer to CCR, title 11, section 5471 for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf
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12X : *THIS WAS REFERRING TO ALL FIREARMS IN WHICH I ONLY SUBMITTED A CLOSE UP OF THE SERIAL NUMBER*

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Additionally, The photo provided for the "Left Side of Receiver/Frame" does not include a full view of the receiver/frame. Please resubmit a photo of your "Left Side of Receiver/Frame" with a full view of the left side of Receiver/Frame and visible markings. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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*THIS WAS REFERRING TO ALL FIREARMS IN WHICH I ONLY SUBMITTED A CLOSE UP OF THE SERIAL NUMBER - I GOT THIS THE NEXT DAY*

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Also, the photos provided for "Left Side of Receiver/Frame" do not show the whole body of the left side of the receiver/frame. Please resubmit photos of the firearm's left side of receiver/frame. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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*THIS WAS REFERRING TO ALL FIREARMS IN WHICH I SUBMITTED PHOTOS OF THE WHOLE FIREARM RATHER THAN A CLOSE UP OF THE RECEIVER*

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Additionally, The photos you provided for the "right and left side receiver/frame" included the whole firearm. Please resubmit photos of left and right side of the receiver/frame that only include the frame/receiver of the firearm. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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*THIS WAS REFERRING TO ONE FIREARM THAT FOR SOME WEIRD REASON THEY DID NOT LIKE BUT WAS CLEARLY VISIBLE*

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The photo provided for the "Bullet Button" does not clearly show the interior or the bullet button. Please resubmit a photo of the bullet button and use flash or lighting to clearly show the interior of the bullet button. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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2X : *THIS WAS REFERRING TO A TAVOR AND PSL IN WHICH I SUBMITTED PHOTOS OF THE WHOLE FIREARM RATHER THAN A CLOSE UP OF THE RECEIVER FOR BOTH SIDES*

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The "stock to barrel" photo cannot be used as the "Right and Left Side of Receiver" photo. The right and left side receiver photos should be close-up images where the make, model and serial number are legible. Please resubmit the images so that they meet the necessary requirements. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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12X : *THIS WAS REFERRING TO ALL FIREARMS IN WHICH I SUBMITTED PHOTOS OF THE WHOLE FIREARM RATHER THAN A CLOSE UP OF THE RECEIVER*

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The "stock to barrel" photo cannot be used as the "Right Side if Receiver/Frame" photo. The right side receiver photos should be close-up images where the make, model and serial number are legible. Please resubmit the images so that they meet the necessary requirements. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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*THIS WAS REFERRING TO A PSL MADE BY TG KNOX*

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Based on the photos provided, the make of your firearm is "Romania/Rumania". Please correct your application to reflect "Romania/Rumania" as your make. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(b) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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UPDATE: MORE REJECTIONS 11/15/17!

This is referring to a kiss vector pistol and the photos originally submitted include the entire plastic part of the lower half of the firearm which is the receiver. maybe they want the whole plastic part?

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The photo provided for "Right Side" and "Left Side" of receiver/frame does not meet the necessary requirements to register your firearm as an assault weapon. Please review your photo and make sure all markings are legible before you resubmit. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is referring to my Vepr12 shotgun, strangely, there are no characteristics to check for shotguns on the form... weird

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Based on the photos you provided, there are additional characteristics shown on your firearm that were not marked on the application. Please refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5471 (z) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is referring to my Vepr 12 shotgun again, I guess they don't want any reference to molot or fime group even though thats the make I used to DROS this firearm.

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Based on the photos provided, the model of your firearm is "VEPR-12". Please correct your application to reflect "VEPR12" as your model number. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(b) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is referring to my PSL again, I already checked thumbhole stock, maybe they want pistol grip too?

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Based on the photos you provided, there are additional characteristics shown on your firearm that were not marked on the application. Please refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5471 (z) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is referring to one of my Ak's, I have no idea which photo or photos they don't like. they all look good to me.

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One or more of the photos you provided does not meet the necessary requirements to register your firearm as an assault weapon. Please review your photos and make sure all markings are legible before you resubmit. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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Old 11-09-2017, 4:31 PM
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3 more kickback today 11/16/17


This is referring to one of my AK's I guess the make was on the drop down list and I must not seen it the first time or it was later added.

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Based on the photos provided, the make of your firearm is "Morrissey Inc.". Please correct your application to reflect "Morrissey Inc." as your make. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(b) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is referring to my AK again, the did not like I put the make in the model field when I initially selected "U S" as the make.

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Additionally, based on the photos provided, the model of your firearm is "AAM-47". Please correct your application to reflect "AAM 47" as your model number. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(b) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is referring to my PSL again, the did not like I put the make in the model field when I initially selected "U S" as the make.

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Based on the photos provided, the model of your firearm is "FPK DRAGUNOV". Please correct your application to reflect "FPK DRAGUNOV" as your model number. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(b) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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This is an interesting on for my Tavor

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Based on the photos provided, the caliber stamp is not visible on your firearm. The caliber may be stamped on the barrel of your firearm. Please upload a photo of the barrel stamp using the "Optional Extra Image" option. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474 (c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf
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Because I accidentally check the under 30" box for my aug

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Thank you for submitting your application. It appears your firearm may be longer than 30 inches. If a firearm is over 30 inches, the "less than 30 inches" box cannot be checked. Submit a clear, top-view photo of your firearm (from stock to barrel) laid on a flat surface with a tape measure above it. Refer to CCR, title 11, section 5471 for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf
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forgot to check the forward pistol grip box for my AUG

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Additionally, based on the photos you provided, there are additional characteristics shown on your firearm that were not marked on the application. Please refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5471 (t) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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More vague "try again" photo rejections for my AUG

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Furthermore, One or more of the photos you provided does not meet the necessary requirements to register your firearm as an assault weapon. Please review your photos and make sure all markings are legible before you resubmit. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(c) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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I put 5.56 as the caliber instead of .223 for my AUG.. whoops

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Also, based on the photos provided, the caliber is stamped as ".223". Please correct your application to reflect ".223 Remington" as your caliber. Refer to California Code of Regulations, title 11, section 5474(b) for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf.
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got this rejection today (11/20/17)

this is for my MSAR STG-556(steyr Aug clone) - the under 30" box was not checked... they are literally interrogating me because they don't believe me that it is over 30"

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Please submit a clear, top-view photo of your firearm (from stock to barrel) laid on a flat surface with a tape measure above it. Refer to CCR, title 11, section 5471 for more information: https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...let-button.pdf
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Sheesh, I wonder if they super scrutinize people submitting lots of guns at a time. Maybe it's better to trickle them through rather than do it all at once.
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Sounds like a cluster f**k!

I know "old timers" that will probably never even attempt to register, because it is too much of a hassle!

This just proves it!!
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Sounds like a cluster f**k!

I know "old timers" that will probably never even attempt to register, because it is too much of a hassle!

This just proves it!!
After looking at all that BS, I don't blame anyone for not bothering.
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Not to be a DOJ apologist but it seems half of the times they kicked it back were mistakes you made
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Not to be a DOJ apologist but it seems half of the times they kicked it back were mistakes you made
Yea I’m not saying it wasn’t my mistake, I’m just simply sharing so others don’t make the same mistake, or if anyone is waiting to submit, they know what they are getting themselves into. The process is nothing like the ‘89 process and they are meticulous about some things, ignorant about others, and presumptuous about some things. Furthermore, I submitted these forms on day one when it opened and am getting these kickbacks three months later

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I wonder how the "kickbacks 3 months later" is going to be handled by DOJ with people that register the day before the registration deadline.

Are they going to be able to correct mistakes?

Are they screwed?

The whole fiasco is a big fail!
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Itís regulatory bs. F them.
Unfortunately thatís how it works in ca with everything, not just guns. I can see how some choose not to participate in state sanctioned life.
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And yea, thanks for the examples op
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Somebody should buy them a map; pretty sure Vyatskie Polyany is a small city in the Kirov region of Russia, it sure isn't a "make/model". Nor is Romania.
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Itís all retarded, the cant ban by make / model, so they want to block firearms ownership based on technicalities. Thatís how it works here. Wether you want to put a deck in your backyard, or own a rifle, California wants a piece of it. F ďthemĒ
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Since we're collecting kickback reasons here, Ill post this again.. this was the only issue I had and was easily rectified.


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Self-built is for 80%, NOT rifles built from stripped lowers.
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Let's make it as hard for them as we can.

I think everybody should submit messed up registration applications multiple times to overwhelm the system! Its called civil disobedience and this is a perfect opportunity for everyone to protest by making their job as hard as possible.
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Let us use 'rejections' instead of 'kickbacks'.

'Kickbacks' has a connotation of 'bribery'.

Thread title changed.
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Let's make it as hard for them as we can.

I think everybody should submit messed up registration applications multiple times to overwhelm the system! Its called civil disobedience and this is a perfect opportunity for everyone to protest by making their job as hard as possible.
Perfect opportunity? The politicians and the decision-makers won’t be affected by something like this. You might feel like you’re striking out against the people who’ve infringed on your rights, but your efforts are misguided. Only the people who have to process these applications will be inconvenienced by a “protest” like this. You’re attacking the foot soldiers for the policies of their leaders.

This reminds me of the people who pay their income taxes in pennies to “protest” the tax system in America. The only thing it does is punish the clerks who have to count them all out. They’re not the people who are setting your tax rates and spending your money foolishly; they are just trying to work an honest job and provide for their families.
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we have until the end of june, 2018 to register. Is that correct?
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we have until the end of june, 2018 to register. Is that correct?
Yes.
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you know the best way to not have it fail reg?
Dont do it your playing their game..........
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Dont do it your playing their game..........
As opposed to just doing what they really want by voluntarily neutering your own gun?
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As opposed to just doing what they really want by voluntarily neutering your own gun?
im not doing that either lol.
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im not doing that either lol.
Fair enough then.
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Demanding high resolution photos following a specific and arbitrary set of regulations is ok regarding 2A rights, but requiring an ID constitutes an "undue burden" on citizens voting rights.

Seems like registration requires possession and knowledge on how to operate sophisticated photography equipment, or at least a very nice phone. What if one has neither?
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Demanding high resolution photos following a specific and arbitrary set of regulations is ok regarding 2A rights, but requiring an ID constitutes an "undue burden" on citizens voting rights.

Seems like registration requires possession and knowledge on how to operate sophisticated photography equipment, or at least a very nice phone. What if one has neither?
Do you think they really care? Where are you going to find a judge to stop this? They hate us and there is no one that will stop them. Just my pessimistic view.
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Somebody should buy them a map; pretty sure Vyatskie Polyany is a small city in the Kirov region of Russia, it sure isn't a "make/model". Nor is Romania.
Wonder what the make/model listed when the gun was DROSd? This would show up in the DOJ-provided firearms ownership report.

They expect us to register guns with different manufacturer than DROS records?

Add yet another level of retard to CA.
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Note to self: sounds like DOJ is scrutinizing applications (and going over the fine details) so best to pay attention to their application.
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"Do you think they really care?"

I know they don't, but their lack of caring might give with reason for litigation under Equal Protection. How can the courts determine an id is an unnecessary financial burden on an illegal immigrant, but this clown show somehow is not?
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Old 11-10-2017, 6:16 PM
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Wonder what the make/model listed when the gun was DROSd? This would show up in the DOJ-provided firearms ownership report.

They expect us to register guns with different manufacturer than DROS records?

Add yet another level of retard to CA.
I bet they will also be confused by the fact that manufacturer and importer are different things. These people aren't too bright.
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Old 11-10-2017, 6:40 PM
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Old 11-10-2017, 8:17 PM
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Old 11-10-2017, 9:07 PM
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Demanding high resolution photos following a specific and arbitrary set of regulations is ok regarding 2A rights, but requiring an ID constitutes an "undue burden" on citizens voting rights.

Seems like registration requires possession and knowledge on how to operate sophisticated photography equipment, or at least a very nice phone. What if one has neither?
Because having access to a couple thousand dollars of camera, computer equipment and internet access is so much less burdensome than a ten dollar ID. simple liberal logic.
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Old 11-10-2017, 9:27 PM
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If I was going to reg a rifle I'd probably order a dildo online and slice it down the middle so I could zip tie it to the barrel as a handguard. I wonder if they'd kick that back...
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Old 11-10-2017, 9:42 PM
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I remember that someone had a kickback that might have been due to a Magpul PRS stock. Hope they can report in.
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Old 11-10-2017, 9:51 PM
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Note to self: sounds like DOJ is scrutinizing applications (and going over the fine details) so best to pay attention to their application.
They are.

Before you hit submit, it pays to just go over everything and make sure itís correct.. spend about 20 mins per rifle just to be certain
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Old 11-11-2017, 5:39 AM
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What irritates me other than being able to see the serial number properly and maybe the whole left/right side of receiver - though that's petty - is the DOJ could make those corrections on their end.
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Old 11-11-2017, 7:13 AM
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Old 11-11-2017, 10:43 AM
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To hell with the DOJ, and their whole dictatorial process! Those photos will be with the government forever, no matter where you go. I'm still guessing only 10% will comply with this new registration nightmare...at least in all the shooting circles I interact with. An NO, we do not neuter our guns either!! Good luck to you who work so hard to be law abiding, with laws that are indefinitely unconstitutional!
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Old 11-11-2017, 11:43 AM
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Mistakes are one thing, but some of what they are doing goes beyond the regs. That is why multiple letters were sent to them specifically pointing out that the image requirements were vague and unclear. Think of other agencies that have photo requirements - they provide details of the photos all the way down to dimensions.

I will be registering one gun. If the photos I provide meet the vague regulations but not the clerk reviewing my photos so be it. I will continue to submit until I'm either rejected or run out of time. I will then pass along all my info to Michel & Associates as I'm sure they will appreciate having an example of a person following the regs and being rejected due to the vagueness and overreach of the photo requirements.
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Old 11-11-2017, 2:50 PM
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we have until the end of june, 2018 to register. Is that correct?
do they allow out of state residents to register guns? Because we might want to get in on the fun.
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